Odysseus
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 15, 2020 13:27:11 GMT
Why would anyone be upset, in a democracy, about people being able to vote? Because one of our two main political parties has a vested interest in people not voting. They were kind enough to tell us why 40 years ago (money shot at 0:25):
Yup.
The anti-democracy bent of the modern American right wing has been plainly evident for decades.
Sad.
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Post by thor on Aug 15, 2020 13:50:17 GMT
Because one of our two main political parties has a vested interest in people not voting. They were kind enough to tell us why 40 years ago (money shot at 0:25):
Yup.
The anti-democracy bent of the modern American right wing has been plainly evident for decades.
Sad.
Here's one from Republican David Frum: "“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” ― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic Keep in mind that the GOP has won one Presidential popular vote since 1988 (2004). They HAVE to pull various shenanigans to keep the voting numbers down. One of the most profound effects of the GOP's descent into batshit insanity is that it has revealed how flimsy our system of 'checks and balances' is. For them to work as intended requires good faith on the part of both of the two main parties. The GOP went over the edge in the 1990s and the coup de grace was the election of President Obama. In it's current form, they are incapable of acting in good faith. Thus, the trainwreck we see now. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 15, 2020 14:16:49 GMT
Why exactly do the heads of the union become the only trust worthy source? Oh yeah, because they support the fanciful narrative that you so desperately want to be true. Yes, they ARE a trustworthy source. Do you even believe what your eyes are seeing? Mail piling up at distribution centers. Mail boxes being picked up. Sorting machine's taken out of service. It's happening and you pretend it's routine. Greg |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 15:05:28 GMT
Why exactly do the heads of the union become the only trust worthy source? Oh yeah, because they support the fanciful narrative that you so desperately want to be true. Yes, they ARE a trustworthy source. Do you even believe what your eyes are seeing? Mail piling up at distribution centers. Mail boxes being picked up. Sorting machine's taken out of service. It's happening and you pretend it's routine. Greg The mail has been piling up because many of the workers have called in scared of COVID and took unemployment instead. They get as much to more money and they get their job back when that money dries up. Call your post office and ask. My wife did. That's exactly what she was told. |
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Post by Lomelis on Aug 15, 2020 15:22:39 GMT
Why would anyone be upset, in a democracy, about people being able to vote? I would prefer that the dumb and ignorant could not vote for obvious reasons. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 15, 2020 15:23:14 GMT
Yes, they ARE a trustworthy source. Do you even believe what your eyes are seeing? Mail piling up at distribution centers. Mail boxes being picked up. Sorting machine's taken out of service. It's happening and you pretend it's routine. Greg The mail has been piling up because many of the workers have called in scared of COVID and took unemployment instead. They get as much to more money and they get their job back when that money dries up. Call your post office and ask. My wife did. That's exactly what she was told. My sister is a postal worker in Cleveland. She told me they were taking out the sorting machines. My brother was a postal worker in Cleveland until he retired in January. He's been told the same thing. Picking up mailboxes. This is NOT routine. This is an effort by Trump to take apart the U.S. postal service brick by brick. He's doing it to YOU. This has NOTHING to do with COVID-19. Greg |
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Post by Lomelis on Aug 15, 2020 15:28:56 GMT
Rather than trying to overwhelm an obsolete system that clearly does not have the infrastructure in place to handle a short term tripling or more of the work load perhaps investments should be made in creating and providing an online voting system?
Wow. Blows your mind.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 15, 2020 15:31:03 GMT
Rather than trying to overwhelm an obsolete system that clearly does not have the infrastructure in place to handle a short term tripling or more of the work load perhaps investments should be made in creating and providing an online voting system? Wow. Blows your mind. How many times could Abe vote? Greg |
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Post by Fiddler on Aug 15, 2020 15:59:06 GMT
Yes, they ARE a trustworthy source. Do you even believe what your eyes are seeing? Mail piling up at distribution centers. Mail boxes being picked up. Sorting machine's taken out of service. It's happening and you pretend it's routine. Greg You mean the Democrats already started the fraud process? 
LOL.. You guys have to the stupidest fucks to have ever walked the planet. .. Trump and his henchmen are causing these delays.. THEY are removing mailboxes and sorting machines.. THEY are allowing the mail to pile up..
Seems in an admission of wrongdoing, they were forced to stop removing mailboxes ..
The US Postal Service will stop taking letter collection boxes off streets in Western states following accusations the removals would further limit some voters ability to send back mail-in ballots.
The change came after CNN and others reported on Friday that the US Postal Service has started reducing post office operating hours across several states and removing letter collection boxes, according to union officials.
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Post by atreyu on Aug 15, 2020 16:40:20 GMT
Why would anyone be upset, in a democracy, about people being able to vote?
They wouldn't, but we have a lot fascists here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 16:52:07 GMT
One has to wonder how bad his internal polls are for him to resort to attempting to outright rigging and stealing the election.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 16:56:30 GMT
Yes, they ARE a trustworthy source. Do you even believe what your eyes are seeing? Mail piling up at distribution centers. Mail boxes being picked up. Sorting machine's taken out of service. It's happening and you pretend it's routine. Greg The mail has been piling up because many of the workers have called in scared of COVID and took unemployment instead. They get as much to more money and they get their job back when that money dries up. Call your post office and ask. My wife did. That's exactly what she was told. Complete Bullshit. |
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Post by thor on Aug 15, 2020 17:39:50 GMT
Why would anyone be upset, in a democracy, about people being able to vote? I would prefer that the dumb and ignorant could not vote for obvious reasons. And who get to decide who is 'dumb and ignorant'? You? Take it away, John.... |
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Post by freonbale on Aug 15, 2020 18:58:39 GMT
WHAT election fraud is he talking about? What he's doing is trying to stop everybody from voting by mail because he THINKS they'll be fraud. Even in states that have that as the only option. THAT is a good case for a Supreme Court injunction.
Greg
The potential fraud that is possible with a mail in ballot. Everything from robbing mail boxes to high tech forgery is possible. Do you really think ANTIFA and DSA won't go door to door swiping ballots, filling them out and then sending them in? How would we ever prove that the citizen that was supposed to fill out the ballot actually filled it out? The identification is striped once it reaches the election office so that the ballot can remain a secret. Remember ACORN? Democrats have done it before and they'll damn sure do it again. Look, if we SAW massive fraud already, then I would totally come to your side of the argument, but fraud is almost non-existent, so you freaking out about it must have some other cause.
I can think of only two other causes.
1) Trump said so 2) You realize that if more people vote, it will hurt republicans more than dems
I guess could be both, but fraud? That is not a real issue.
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Aug 15, 2020 19:00:06 GMT
Why would anyone be upset, in a democracy, about people being able to vote? I would prefer that the dumb and ignorant could not vote for obvious reasons. I would LOVE for this to be true.
And you, especially, know why.
Freon
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Post by Lomelis on Aug 15, 2020 20:00:22 GMT
I would prefer that the dumb and ignorant could not vote for obvious reasons. And who get to decide who is 'dumb and ignorant'? You? Take it away, John.... No. Not me. Policies could be implemented that reduce the risk of people like yourself voting. Possible federal voting eligibility requirements: -Paying federal taxes -Passing a civics test -ID Just those reqs alone would prevent millions of you and your fellow dumbasses from being able to pollute the political system. |
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Post by Lomelis on Aug 15, 2020 20:05:48 GMT
I would prefer that the dumb and ignorant could not vote for obvious reasons. I would LOVE for this to be true.
And you, especially, know why.
Freon
Yes. You've been told that it is your civic duty, that you must vote. So like a good little Igor that always obeys master you do as you're told without question even if you would rather not deal with the inconvenience. Fear not. Some of us do actually care. You would not be burdened with such a requirement in my system. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 20:27:13 GMT
The mail has been piling up because many of the workers have called in scared of COVID and took unemployment instead. They get as much to more money and they get their job back when that money dries up. Call your post office and ask. My wife did. That's exactly what she was told. My sister is a postal worker in Cleveland. She told me they were taking out the sorting machines. My brother was a postal worker in Cleveland until he retired in January. He's been told the same thing. Picking up mailboxes. This is NOT routine. This is an effort by Trump to take apart the U.S. postal service brick by brick. He's doing it to YOU. This has NOTHING to do with COVID-19. Greg Yes it is. No one uses mailboxes any more. Who even gets a single bill by mail these days? Everything is electronic. I'm sure some people still get paper bills, but the vast majority don't and that was the bulk of the postal services business. Without bills, what do they need sorters for? Junk mail? Pen pals? C'mon Greg. You know this is all normal. Stop being so daft. The future of post is boxes. End of story. Mail sorters will get in the way if they are sitting idle. That's why they started reducing the sort and the plan had already been developed and approved way way before it was implemented and before the current Post Master came into office. In fact, the current post master cut the number of machines being removed. So your whole conspiracy theory fantasy is nothing more than a sadistic wish. www.vice.com/en_us/article/pkyv4k/internal-usps-documents-outline-plans-to-hobble-mail-sorting |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 20:29:52 GMT
The mail has been piling up because many of the workers have called in scared of COVID and took unemployment instead. They get as much to more money and they get their job back when that money dries up. Call your post office and ask. My wife did. That's exactly what she was told. Complete Bullshit. Call your post office. You'll see. But you won't come back here and say anything because you don't have enough integrity to admit when I am correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 20:32:54 GMT
The potential fraud that is possible with a mail in ballot. Everything from robbing mail boxes to high tech forgery is possible. Do you really think ANTIFA and DSA won't go door to door swiping ballots, filling them out and then sending them in? How would we ever prove that the citizen that was supposed to fill out the ballot actually filled it out? The identification is striped once it reaches the election office so that the ballot can remain a secret. Remember ACORN? Democrats have done it before and they'll damn sure do it again. Look, if we SAW massive fraud already, then I would totally come to your side of the argument, but fraud is almost non-existent, so you freaking out about it must have some other cause.
I can think of only two other causes.
1) Trump said so 2) You realize that if more people vote, it will hurt republicans more than dems
I guess could be both, but fraud? That is not a real issue.
Freon
Ok, so we shouldn't guard against fraud because it hasn't happened yet? The reality is that fraud will become easier if we eliminate safe guards and provide more opportunities. That's just common sense. Why not protect our rights and avoid voter dilution by having security procedures that make fraud incredibly difficult? |
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