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Post by stugatze on Aug 2, 2020 17:59:29 GMT
The dirty left CANNOT ever accept the truth ...  Slaves of a Different Color By: Bruce Bawer August 1, 2020 Welcome to 2020. The New York Times wins a Pulitzer Prize for its “1619 Project,” which depicts slavery as a distinctly American phenomenon and as the very foundation of American civilization. For several weeks, a half-dozen all but unreadable books seeking redefine the concept of racism hover at or near the top of the bestseller lists. Meanwhile, the cities of America become battlegrounds in a race war waged by young people, many of whom think that America invented the institution of slavery.
This is but one of many historical facts about which they’re wrong. The truth is that fewer than 4 percent of the slaves who were transported across the Atlantic Ocean from Africa ended up in the territory of what is now the United States. More slaves were shipped to the small island of Barbados than to the vast areas that started out as British North America and then became the United States.
The same applies to Trinidad and the Windward Islands (Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada, Dominica, and Martinique). Ditto the Guianas (now Guyana, Suriname, and French Guiana). Ditto the Spanish-speaking mainland of Latin American. Over 8 percent of transatlantic African slaves—twice the number sold between Maine and Georgia—were sold in St. Domingue, a French colony in what is now Haiti. Over 8 percent of slaves also ended up in the Spanish-speaking Caribbean. The largest numbers of all are for Jamaica (over 11 percent) and Brazil (over 30 percent).
Ignorance also surrounds another aspect of slave history. The other day I posted on Facebook a quotation from Thomas Sowell. “More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States.”
Facebook users responded in disbelief. “This can’t possibly be true! What’s he talking about?” commented one, whose Facebook page identified him as a “senior research fellow.” Another, a filmmaker, wrote: “Seems dubious.”
In fact, the white slave trade was a terrifying reality for generations of Westerners from the 1400s to the 1800s. Several sovereign North African entities—the Sultanate of Morocco, and the independent Ottoman provinces of Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli—were all active in the capture and sale of European and American slaves. Some whites were taken from ships on the high seas in acts of piracy; others were captured during coastal raids on the European mainland and Newfoundland.
The slaves were sold at auctions in ports located along the shores of North Africa, known at the time as the Barbary coast because the inhabitants were predominantly Berbers. The largest of these markets were in Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli; Algiers, the biggest of them all, contained at least 25,000 white slaves at any given time between 1550 and 1730.
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Post by demos on Aug 2, 2020 18:03:36 GMT
Is there anything which supports this claim?
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Post by thor on Aug 2, 2020 18:06:01 GMT
Is there anything which supports this claim? Probably not. Being Italian, Stu is just mad because of all that African DNA he has in him. |
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Post by freonbale on Aug 2, 2020 18:22:58 GMT
What is the point of this? Other places tolerating slavery does not change our country's sin for doing the same.
We did it. We knew we were doing it. We profited massively as a result of it.
And now we need to right that wrong.
Thanks, Stu, as usual, in trying to fight the case, you actually just demonstrated support for it.
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Post by freonbale on Aug 2, 2020 20:01:54 GMT
It can seem like the left is playing offense, but really they are playing defense. Everything they do regarding race is meant to distract from and deflect the conversation from discussing the unabated continuation of black dysfunction after decades of programs and policies intended to fix it. Their ideology of racial equality is running into a brick wall at every point because, based on their assumptions, their policies and programs were supposed to fix black dysfunction, and it's not happening. This calls their assumptions into question and raises serious questions about whether black dysfunction will ever be fixed. This is what they want to distract and deflect from. Every time we make a play on their defensive distractions, whether in support of them or against them, we serve the real purpose of their distractions: we are distracted from the real problem of unabated black dysfunction. So I see no point in going after ever bit of anti-flak window chaff they throw out. What a racist thing to say.
Why?
Because you are saying that all those blacks, who are most likely Democrats, are stupid for being part of a party that harms them.
You conservatives are the party of, 'I know you are, but what am I'. You take any criticism that you rightly deserve, and call the person giving you that criticism the exact same criticism. And you think if you do it long enough, and loud enough, that it will be believed.
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Post by petep on Aug 2, 2020 23:20:51 GMT
What is the point of this? Other places tolerating slavery does not change our country's sin for doing the same. We did it. We knew we were doing it. We profited massively as a result of it. And now we need to right that wrong. Thanks, Stu, as usual, in trying to fight the case, you actually just demonstrated support for it. Freon who is "we" - why do I have to pay for anything another individual does...whats the basis for that??? I've been attacked 3x while living in los angeles...can I go after the families of the attackers? I can make a better case for that than making me pay for something a couple percent of whites and blacks did 200 years ago...my ancestors came from ireland (grandmother child slave worker) and lithuania (russian slave camp) in the late 1800's...where do I get in on that....each morning I wake up finding it so hard to move forward knowing the hardship they went thru...someone must pay... in fact, I'm guessing if I go out an join a gang or BLM, I can do whatever I want, and just use my ancestors as an excuse... |
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Post by freonbale on Aug 2, 2020 23:33:10 GMT
What is the point of this? Other places tolerating slavery does not change our country's sin for doing the same. We did it. We knew we were doing it. We profited massively as a result of it. And now we need to right that wrong. Thanks, Stu, as usual, in trying to fight the case, you actually just demonstrated support for it. Freon who is "we" - why do I have to pay for anything another individual does...whats the basis for that??? I've been attacked 3x while living in los angeles...can I go after the families of the attackers? I can make a better case for that than making me pay for something a couple percent of whites and blacks did 200 years ago...my ancestors came from ireland (grandmother child slave worker) and lithuania (russian slave camp) in the late 1800's...where do I get in on that....each morning I wake up finding it so hard to move forward knowing the hardship they went thru...someone must pay... in fact, I'm guessing if I go out an join a gang or BLM, I can do whatever I want, and just use my ancestors as an excuse... I wonder if your ancestors thought as you do, that this is a country populated merely by people who live within its borders, instead of a single nation of those who believe in an American consciousness and unity.
Tell me, if we were invaded, would you defend black people any different than white?
If your answer is no, then at some level, you DO believe in equality. There will be no equality for blacks until reparations are made. No amount of time is going to heal this wound, because each generation of blacks teaches their children that the America of the past has not atoned for its sin. I don't think it's fair, that after the Civil War, this was not properly resolved, but that was a choice of the time, to pass it on to you and me. To sweep it under the rug, and hope someone else will deal with it. And you have the exact same attitude.
It's like you were given a car from your parents with a cracked windshield, and you don't feel you should have to fix it, because it happened while they were the owners. Maybe it isn't fair, but you are still seeing the world through a broken windshield. So you are right, but you lose.
I would prefer we all win.
Freon
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Post by stugatze on Aug 2, 2020 23:39:47 GMT
Is there anything which supports this claim? __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ It is true, .. do your own research, but, few people know about it, because, modern liberalism does NOT want anybody else to ever be seen as victims of slavery except African negroes!
The North African Muslims were some of the greatest offenders of slavery, .. and engaged heavily into black slavery and white slavery!
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Post by petep on Aug 2, 2020 23:41:14 GMT
your argument is flawed because we are each individuals...and the entire basis of our laws, and human nature is based on self accountability....you are trying to blame accountability based on race...yet slavery was an agreement based on blacks capturing and selling blacks to whites and other blacks, and both profiting from the trade of humans...no different than what went on eons before, the barbary coast when blacks brutally captured owned white slaves, still goes on today in africa, eastern europe, mexico etc...
you are making it about race, when there is no basis for it...it was a money / resource/ control issue, as it is today....
I'm not sure how you cannot see that....
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Post by demos on Aug 3, 2020 0:46:26 GMT
Is there anything which supports this claim? It is true, .. do your own research, but, few people know about it, because, modern liberalism does NOT want anybody else to ever be seen as victims of slavery except African negroes!
The North African Muslims were some of the greatest offenders of slavery, .. and engaged heavily into black slavery and white slavery!
I take it you don’t have an answer to my actual question. Or you can’t read. One, the other, maybe both. |
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Post by archie on Aug 3, 2020 2:06:19 GMT
Is there anything which supports this claim? Probably not. Being Italian, Stu is just mad because of all that African DNA he has in him. so you are calling him a ginney. That means a mixed race, as far as I know. Now this may not be spelled right, but you are one sfacheme a putsaland. That is the way we say it. |
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Post by stugatze on Aug 3, 2020 10:43:56 GMT
It is true, .. do your own research, but, few people know about it, because, modern liberalism does NOT want anybody else to ever be seen as victims of slavery except African negroes!
The North African Muslims were some of the greatest offenders of slavery, .. and engaged heavily into black slavery and white slavery!
I take it you don’t have an answer to my actual question. Or you can’t read. One, the other, maybe both. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm sorry you feel that way, so... no problem in the future don't bother replying to my posts, and you won't have to pretend that you are dissatisfied with my replies, or that I don't have an answer, or that I cannot read, that way you won't feel disappointed, and you can presume anything you wish to, .... like most progressive little liberals do anyway!  |
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Post by crepe05 on Aug 3, 2020 12:52:02 GMT
What is the point of this? Other places tolerating slavery does not change our country's sin for doing the same. We did it. We knew we were doing it. We profited massively as a result of it. And now we need to right that wrong. Thanks, Stu, as usual, in trying to fight the case, you actually just demonstrated support for it. Freon Just how do we, most of whom probably do not come from families who owned slaves of any color, right the wrong? Weren't the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation enough? What is enough, if those two events aren't? |
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Post by petep on Aug 3, 2020 13:21:45 GMT
All this to deflect from the violence today, killing and killing of thousands each year in our inner city cesspools.
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Post by limey² on Aug 3, 2020 13:33:14 GMT
Is there anything which supports this claim? Probably not. Being Italian, Stu is just mad because of all that African DNA he has in him. He's Italian? OK Stu, I want reparations. Your ancestors invaded England. |
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Post by petep on Aug 3, 2020 13:56:01 GMT
Pretty much every race and religion and nation could whine about some other group that harmed them. Must suck when it was your own people capturing you and selling you. Who is supposed to pay again?
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Post by archie on Aug 3, 2020 15:16:48 GMT
who is "we" - why do I have to pay for anything another individual does...whats the basis for that??? I've been attacked 3x while living in los angeles...can I go after the families of the attackers? I can make a better case for that than making me pay for something a couple percent of whites and blacks did 200 years ago...my ancestors came from ireland (grandmother child slave worker) and lithuania (russian slave camp) in the late 1800's...where do I get in on that....each morning I wake up finding it so hard to move forward knowing the hardship they went thru...someone must pay... in fact, I'm guessing if I go out an join a gang or BLM, I can do whatever I want, and just use my ancestors as an excuse... I wonder if your ancestors thought as you do, that this is a country populated merely by people who live within its borders, instead of a single nation of those who believe in an American consciousness and unity.
Tell me, if we were invaded, would you defend black people any different than white?
If your answer is no, then at some level, you DO believe in equality. There will be no equality for blacks until reparations are made. No amount of time is going to heal this wound, because each generation of blacks teaches their children that the America of the past has not atoned for its sin. I don't think it's fair, that after the Civil War, this was not properly resolved, but that was a choice of the time, to pass it on to you and me. To sweep it under the rug, and hope someone else will deal with it. And you have the exact same attitude.
It's like you were given a car from your parents with a cracked windshield, and you don't feel you should have to fix it, because it happened while they were the owners. Maybe it isn't fair, but you are still seeing the world through a broken windshield. So you are right, but you lose.
I would prefer we all win.
Freon
My ancestors came here from Italy in the late 1800s and 1900s. They never owned any slaves, my parents never owned slaves, and I never owned slaves. There is no one alive in the USA that ever owned slaves. And today the ancestors of the slaves freed by the white man are just as free and able as anyone else. It is up to them to improve their lifestyle, education or trade just like all of us. So why do I have to kiss their ass for something that happened 200 years ago that I had nothing to do with. We have laws to make Shure they are treated the same as everyone else. Federal laws. And if a white idiot breaks those laws, that person mistreated can lawfully be taken care of. So now a white cop made a bad mistake and ACCEDENTLY killed a black man, all of the white race is no good. That cop was wrong, but I do not believe he was committing a murder. It was a stupid big mistake he made. All this BS going on and it will not do one good thing for anybody, black white or whatever. All it is doing is causing anger on all sides. All it is doing is driving the black and white race farther apart. And this is part of a political idea for an enemy to take over our government. Oh yes it is. Black live matter, antifa, what the hell have they ever done for the black race, or the black panthers either. Nothing but make trouble, and who pays? |
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Post by archie on Aug 3, 2020 15:18:45 GMT
Yeah, I'll be back.
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Post by freonbale on Aug 3, 2020 15:59:13 GMT
What is the point of this? Other places tolerating slavery does not change our country's sin for doing the same. We did it. We knew we were doing it. We profited massively as a result of it. And now we need to right that wrong. Thanks, Stu, as usual, in trying to fight the case, you actually just demonstrated support for it. Freon Just how do we, most of whom probably do not come from families who owned slaves of any color, right the wrong? Weren't the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation enough? What is enough, if those two events aren't? With BLM going strong in this country, how can you really ask the question of if it was enough. It seems obvious that the answer is no. This is about responsibility. If you are an American, then you inherit all that America is, bad and good. Just as you take pride in our finally getting American astronauts into space again, aboard American rockets launching from American soil, so too, we must accept our American past sins. Putting Japanese in concentration camps during WW2, which we finally financially compensated them for - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans#:~:text=The%20legislation%20admitted%20that%20government,been%20interned%20and%20their%20heirs.), is a good example. I did not treat those Japanese as if they were the enemy, my government did, and that went against our constitution. The result was to make it right through compensation. Why is ending slavery without compensating the victims any different? There is a far more pragmatic reason to compensate them. This issue is NEVER going away until we do. Blacks will always be able to claim that justice was never served, and they will continue to get angrier and angrier. They DESERVE to be compensated. They are not looking for handouts, but for justice. Freon |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 3, 2020 16:08:09 GMT
Also, the problem with whites is over. It doesn't need to be fixed. It's already fixed. Slavery is over. But black animalism is still a problem, every day. That has not been fixed yet. So why are we supposed to keep going over a problem that has been fixed, and we're not supposed to talk at all about an ongoing problem that needs to be fixed? Could that kind of mentality be part of why blacks are so messed up?
Shitbird.
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