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Post by atreyu on Mar 22, 2021 0:51:46 GMT
This has to be one of the best discussions that has ever happened on LNF. I'm not exactly sure "when" it is happening. Has it only happened in the past? If it is a continuing discussion, is it "happening right now," even during a hiatus?
One thing is for sure, it's happening at the speed of causality.
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Post by bama beau on Mar 22, 2021 4:41:55 GMT
This has to be one of the best discussions that has ever happened on LNF. I'm not exactly sure "when" it is happening. Has it only happened in the past? If it is a continuing discussion, is it "happening right now," even during a hiatus?
One thing is for sure, it's happening at the speed of causality.
Then you've answered the original question, haven't you? Because for your argument to be true, not only does the past exist, but it actually exists as the present. Bravo! |
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 22, 2021 5:57:26 GMT
The past is generally over-rated.
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Post by johnnybgood on Mar 22, 2021 9:31:46 GMT
The 50s looked nice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 11:05:06 GMT
This has to be one of the best discussions that has ever happened on LNF. I'm not exactly sure "when" it is happening. Has it only happened in the past? If it is a continuing discussion, is it "happening right now," even during a hiatus? In Arabic the distinction is not between the past and the present, instead it's between things that are over and those that are still going on. Not all perspectives follow the same logic. Remember that the Arabs used to be great mathematicians before religion corrupted them. |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 22, 2021 16:18:02 GMT
This has to be one of the best discussions that has ever happened on LNF. I'm not exactly sure "when" it is happening. Has it only happened in the past? If it is a continuing discussion, is it "happening right now," even during a hiatus? In Arabic the distinction is not between the past and the present, instead it's between things that are over and those that are still going on. Not all perspectives follow the same logic. Remember that the Arabs used to be great mathematicians before religion corrupted them. Are we talking about culture or reality though?
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 22, 2021 16:53:40 GMT
This has to be one of the best discussions that has ever happened on LNF. I'm not exactly sure "when" it is happening. Has it only happened in the past? If it is a continuing discussion, is it "happening right now," even during a hiatus? In Arabic the distinction is not between the past and the present, instead it's between things that are over and those that are still going on. Not all perspectives follow the same logic. Remember that the Arabs used to be great mathematicians before religion corrupted them. Nice, adding your little anti-religious jab--ignoring that the golden age of Arab science occurred over a hundred years after the rise of Islam.😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 17:32:50 GMT
In Arabic the distinction is not between the past and the present, instead it's between things that are over and those that are still going on. Not all perspectives follow the same logic. Remember that the Arabs used to be great mathematicians before religion corrupted them. Nice, adding your little anti-religious jab--ignoring that the golden age of Arab science occurred over a hundred years after the rise of Islam.😂 You're implying that the reason Arab science declined is not religious and that it a scurrilous lie, the ONLY reason their science dwindled to the point of becoming retarded is religious and religious ONLY (lie about this through innuendos all you wish but the facts are as I said), religion is also the reason the magnificent library of Alexandria was destroyed. And it's also the reason it took us (Europeans) so long to adopt the Arab numeral system, so much superior to the one we were using back then. The golden age of Arab science happened IN SPITE of religion and definitely not because of it. That's obvious to anyone who's studied the subject. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 17:53:33 GMT
In Arabic the distinction is not between the past and the present, instead it's between things that are over and those that are still going on. Not all perspectives follow the same logic. Remember that the Arabs used to be great mathematicians before religion corrupted them. Nice, adding your little anti-religious jab--ignoring that the golden age of Arab science occurred over a hundred years after the rise of Islam.😂 Btw, the reason it is called "the golden age of Arab science" is because past this point it decayed... Ok? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 22, 2021 19:47:40 GMT
Nice, adding your little anti-religious jab--ignoring that the golden age of Arab science occurred over a hundred years after the rise of Islam.😂 You're implying that the reason Arab science declined is not religious and that it a scurrilous lie, the ONLY reason their science dwindled to the point of becoming retarded is religious and religious ONLY (lie about this through innuendos all you wish but the facts are as I said), religion is also the reason the magnificent library of Alexandria was destroyed. And it's also the reason it took us (Europeans) so long to adopt the Arab numeral system, so much superior to the one we were using back then. The golden age of Arab science happened IN SPITE of religion and definitely not because of it. That's obvious to anyone who's studied the subject. Weird to have a reverse correlation there, no? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 22:04:11 GMT
You're implying that the reason Arab science declined is not religious and that it a scurrilous lie, the ONLY reason their science dwindled to the point of becoming retarded is religious and religious ONLY (lie about this through innuendos all you wish but the facts are as I said), religion is also the reason the magnificent library of Alexandria was destroyed. And it's also the reason it took us (Europeans) so long to adopt the Arab numeral system, so much superior to the one we were using back then. The golden age of Arab science happened IN SPITE of religion and definitely not because of it. That's obvious to anyone who's studied the subject. Weird to have a reverse correlation there, no? Care to elaborate on that ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 22:33:35 GMT
You're implying that the reason Arab science declined is not religious and that it a scurrilous lie, the ONLY reason their science dwindled to the point of becoming retarded is religious and religious ONLY (lie about this through innuendos all you wish but the facts are as I said), religion is also the reason the magnificent library of Alexandria was destroyed. And it's also the reason it took us (Europeans) so long to adopt the Arab numeral system, so much superior to the one we were using back then. The golden age of Arab science happened IN SPITE of religion and definitely not because of it. That's obvious to anyone who's studied the subject. Weird to have a reverse correlation there, no? MFA you've reverted to your annoying self once again. So let me ask you these two simple yes or no questions and see if you'll dare to answer: 1) Do you deny that the library of Alexandria was destroyed for religious reasons? 2) Do you deny that we rejected the Arabic numerals for centuries in spite their overwhelming superiority for religious reasons? I'll be waiting... |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 22, 2021 22:59:02 GMT
How'd we get on religion, we were talking about wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 23:07:55 GMT
How'd we get on religion, we were talking about wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff! This is but the continuation of a discussion between MFA and myself that's been going on for months and isn't likely to be concluded anytime soon. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 22, 2021 23:35:09 GMT
Weird to have a reverse correlation there, no? Care to elaborate on that ? Well, that culture and science "rise" in the hundred years following the domination of a particular religion, when religion itself causes the degradation of culture and science. Seems...counterintuitive? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 22, 2021 23:43:44 GMT
Weird to have a reverse correlation there, no? MFA you've reverted to your annoying self once again. So let me ask you these two simple yes or no questions and see if you'll dare to answer: 1) Do you deny that the library of Alexandria was destroyed for religious reasons? Yes. Due to Gibbon's agenda, the alleged culprits are more "convenient revisionism" than historical fact. ehistory.osu.edu/articles/burning-library-alexandriaYes, I haven't seen evidence for that. Much of the "religion/science" clash is revisionist, fitting the narrative of the Enlightenment. Much of it simply isn't true. In fact, as early as 1000, Pope Sylvester II tried to Arabic numerals universally adopted in Europe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Sylvester_II |
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 23, 2021 3:29:08 GMT
Well, the accoutrements of the 50's embodied the casual look.
Is that the same as causality?
If so, they were either ahead of their time, behind the times, or right on time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 7:10:42 GMT
Care to elaborate on that ? Well, that culture and science "rise" in the hundred years following the domination of a particular religion, when religion itself causes the degradation of culture and science. Seems...counterintuitive? Coming from you that incredibly simplistic. Ever hear of inertia? A hundred years is nothing, it's much less for example than the time difference between jesus' supposed death and his first ever mention in a non christian text. What's counter intuitive is the way you make hasty deductions and ignore obvious counter-arguments. But hey, if you were honest there wouldn't be much to argue about, would it? A hundred years delay is nothing, just as Christians did start right away to torture scientists when they came into power so did the Muslims. How long between the first Christians and the first heretics being burned at the stake? Several centuries!!! But you already know all that. You're just lying through your teeth when it comes to religion, that's what you are!! Besides, why do you keep ignoring that it's religion that destroyed Arab science? It's a well-known fact, so why do you pretend not to know about it. Aren't you tired of lying? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 23, 2021 18:10:49 GMT
Well, that culture and science "rise" in the hundred years following the domination of a particular religion, when religion itself causes the degradation of culture and science. Seems...counterintuitive? Coming from you that incredibly simplistic. Ever hear of inertia? A hundred years is nothing, it's much less for example than the time difference between jesus' supposed death and his first ever mention in a non christian text. What's counter intuitive is the way you make hasty deductions and ignore obvious counter-arguments. But hey, if you were honest there wouldn't be much to argue about, would it? A hundred years delay is nothing, just as Christians did start right away to torture scientists when they came into power so did the Muslims. How long between the first Christians and the first heretics being burned at the stake? Several centuries!!! But you already know all that. You're just lying through your teeth when it comes to religion, that's what you are!! Besides, why do you keep ignoring that it's religion that destroyed Arab science? It's a well-known fact, so why do you pretend not to know about it. Aren't you tired of lying? I'm not saying that Islam did not eventually destroy science. But if you think it was, from the beginning, antithetical to science, then you underestimate the extent and speed to which Islamgained power and influence. |
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 23, 2021 23:16:30 GMT
I'm of the general opinion that science and religion generally do not mix well. Key to religion is an unchanging belief in what is right. Key to science is basing one's conclusions on verifiable evidence. Problems occur when verifiable evidence conflicts with immutable belief. Add to that the tendency of science to change its conclusions based on new verifiable evidence, and we have the recipe for conflict.
Then you also have pseudo scientists who fervently believe their theories are immutable. Generally speaking, this is a recipe for bad science. Even the general theory of relativity could be subject to review based on new data.
Humanity seems to have resolved the tendency of religion to be rigid by spawning new religions that propose different manifestations of supreme being(s). Sadly this has all too often led to religious wars, leaving one to wonder what the point is of religion to begin with.
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