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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 16:05:18 GMT
The Christians claim to value certain human qualities as humility, forgiveness and kindness and also to dislike other qualities like narcissism, egoism and cruelty.
But then they claim that their god has none of the qualities that they value and all of the ones that they dislike!!!
IOW, the Christian god is the antithesis of a what a good Christian is supposed to be.
Let me explain:
The Christian god wishes to be worshiped. In fact it's practically all he cares about. Not only does he wish to be worshiped but he wants it a certain way. A way that he's taught "us". And it's so important that if you fail to worship him the way he wants you to then whatever else you do doesn't matter, you'll be tortured for all eternity. Yeah, you heard it, all eternity without reprieve, for the terrible crime of having failed to glorify the big giant (full of itself ) head the way it wants to!!!
So god is not humble, not forgiving (eternity, remember???), not kind (that's the least we can say) but he's definitely a narcissist and shall we say a megalomaniac even, egoist because as I said it doesn't matter what you to to someone else as long as you don't do the proper song and dance that god wants you to do for his sake, and definitely cruel because what could be more cruel than condemning people to an eternity of torture, whatever they have done!!!
So looks like the Christian god is really Satan....
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 26, 2021 17:54:47 GMT
The Christians claim to value certain human qualities as humility, forgiveness and kindness and also to dislike other qualities like narcissism, egoism and cruelty. But then they claim that their god has none of the qualities that they value and all of the ones that they dislike!!! IOW, the Christian god is the antithesis of a what a good Christian is supposed to be. Let me explain: The Christian god wishes to be worshiped. In fact it's practically all he cares about. Not only does he wish to be worshiped but he wants it a certain way. A way that he's taught "us". And it's so important that if you fail to worship him the way he wants you to then whatever else you do doesn't matter, you'll be tortured for all eternity. Yeah, you heard it, all eternity without reprieve, for the terrible crime of having failed to glorify the big giant (full of itself ) head the way it wants to!!! So god is not humble, not forgiving (eternity, remember???), not kind (that's the least we can say) but he's definitely a narcissist and shall we say a megalomaniac even, egoist because as I said it doesn't matter what you to to someone else as long as you don't do the proper song and dance that god wants you to do for his sake, and definitely cruel because what could be more cruel than condemning people to an eternity of torture, whatever they have done!!! So looks like the Christian god is really Satan.... Wrong again. The highest revelation of God, according to Christianity, is Jesus—who embodied humility, forgiveness, kindness, etc. He "desires to be worshiped." Sure. Not because he wants it or needs it. Humans worship. That's what we do. Worship is the attention we give to something, or, more specifically, the highest ideal we identify and pursue. That's what worship is. So...we can worship things that don't merit being the "highest ideal"—things like money, pleasure, achievement. But worshipping the "lesser," things that don't deserve it, actually lowers us. It drives us to a lesser existence, an existence in which everything in our lives is measured by that thing. If money is your highest aim, your highest ideal, then everything in your life serves that aim and is measured by it. Human relationships are diminished to the point where every person in your life is reduced to whether or not they will profit you or cost you. That's dehumanizing. It dehumanizes us and it dehumanizes other people. If we're going to worship (and we will, it's inevitable), worship the highest ideal. That's God. We all worship. The question is: what do we worship or whom? I believe your articulation of "hell" is also misrepresentative, but that's a whole other conversation. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 18:31:24 GMT
Prove it, that si next time because this time you failed miserably. Of course, I strongly object to the "again" which is irrelevant grandstanding and therefore weakens your position even further. Irrelevant. I gave you the reasons why god is all the things I said it is. (I am not going to repeat them!!!!) So why don't answer the things that I actually said instead of creating straw men!!!! Irrelevant word salad!!! I mean, seriously, this bullshit of yours is undigestible!!! You haven't addressed the narcissism of a being wanting to be worshipped for its own sake and threatening people with eternal torture for it. And you never will, obviously!!! This is irrelevant! You obviously either don't want or are not getting the point which is the narcissistic/megalomaniacal NATURE of SOMETHING THAT WANTS TO BE WORSHIPED UNDER THE THREAT OF TORTURE... WHEN ARE YOU GOIGN TO RESPOND TO THAT, MISTER STRAWMAN?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 18:40:46 GMT
Do you realize that you haven't addressed a single thing that I've actually said!!! Not one!!!! You are in fact a caricature of what you boast to be!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 18:45:20 GMT
It is impossible to have any serious discussion with MFA about anything as soon as you fundamentally disagree with him. He will use all the tricks in his arsenal to try to sidestep the issue and use every ad hominems he knows of short of actually calling you names because that his other lie "I didn't call you names, therefore, I win" It's his personal "cogito ergo sum"...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 18:50:01 GMT
Your "kind" jesus resorts to eternal torture as a means of coercion!!! And you tell me that he's kind!! How dare you? It's like saying: "This man is kind because sure he's a serial killer but he's never forgotten his mother's birthday!!" Sometimes I wonder what kind of sicko got the idea of inventing the Christian religion in the first place. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 26, 2021 19:22:56 GMT
Misrepresentations by davejavu:
• "Worship" is what I say it is.
• "God" is how I depict him to be.
• "Hell" is what I say it is.
• I am the sole definer of what other people believe regardless of what they claim.
• Everybody who disagrees with me is an asshole.
Enjoy your delusion. Get help for your anger. Get some counselling. Reconcile with your mother. I don't care. I will no longer respond to you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 20:44:05 GMT
.... Enjoy your delusion. Get help for your anger. Get some counselling. Reconcile with your mother. I don't care. I will no longer respond to you. So you couldn't resist insulting me in spite of your repeated hypocritical denial and you even had to include my mother, you stupid piece of crap!!! Take this as a bon voyage present: Go fuck yourself, asshole!!! |
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Post by Running Deer on Apr 28, 2021 16:30:46 GMT
He "desires to be worshiped." Sure. Not because he wants it or needs it. I don't see the difference between "desire" and "want". The Bible presents God as "jealous" when humans worship other gods. Jealousy is wanting what rightfully belongs to you but is given to or is held by others.* How is that not a want? * For others reading, this is the older meaning of jealousy. The modern meaning of jealousy - wanting what others have, whether or not it rightfully belongs to you - belonged to the word "envy". MFA already knows this, but others might not. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 16:51:09 GMT
He "desires to be worshiped." Sure. Not because he wants it or needs it. I don't see the difference between "desire" and "want". The Bible presents God as "jealous" when humans worship other gods. Jealousy is wanting what rightfully belongs to you but is given to or is held by others.* How is that not a want? * For others reading, this is the older meaning of jealousy. The modern meaning of jealousy - wanting what others have, whether or not it rightfully belongs to you - belonged to the word "envy". MFA already knows this, but others might not. Well, whether it's rightfully or not, that still makes "him" a deeply flawed "individual" according to Christian standards that is, IOW "god" wouldn't make a good Christian, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 28, 2021 17:05:39 GMT
He "desires to be worshiped." Sure. Not because he wants it or needs it. I don't see the difference between "desire" and "want". The Bible presents God as "jealous" when humans worship other gods. Jealousy is wanting what rightfully belongs to you but is given to or is held by others.* How is that not a want? * For others reading, this is the older meaning of jealousy. The modern meaning of jealousy - wanting what others have, whether or not it rightfully belongs to you - belonged to the word "envy". MFA already knows this, but others might not. Wow! First of all, it's a nice surprise to see you here! I deliberately put "desires to be worshiped" in quotes. I "desire my young children to eat their vegetables." Not because I directly gain from it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 17:28:15 GMT
I don't see the difference between "desire" and "want". The Bible presents God as "jealous" when humans worship other gods. Jealousy is wanting what rightfully belongs to you but is given to or is held by others.* How is that not a want? * For others reading, this is the older meaning of jealousy. The modern meaning of jealousy - wanting what others have, whether or not it rightfully belongs to you - belonged to the word "envy". MFA already knows this, but others might not. Wow! First of all, it's a nice surprise to see you here! I deliberately put "desires to be worshiped" in quotes. I "desire my young children to eat their vegetables." Not because I directly gain from it. Yeah, what could possibly a being that's omnipotent, omniscient, and ubiquitous, gain from? So that makes your example kinda stupid. Plus let me know when your love for your children translates into torturing them. People who desire to be worshipped don't do it because they actually gain from it but because there is something wrong with them. It's a character flaw, for the followers of Christianity among other people, except when it comes to "god" the largest blind spot that was ever invented!!! No wonder you've found an excuse to stop arguing with me, your arguments are crap!!! |
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Post by Running Deer on Apr 29, 2021 22:15:04 GMT
I don't see the difference between "desire" and "want". The Bible presents God as "jealous" when humans worship other gods. Jealousy is wanting what rightfully belongs to you but is given to or is held by others.* How is that not a want? * For others reading, this is the older meaning of jealousy. The modern meaning of jealousy - wanting what others have, whether or not it rightfully belongs to you - belonged to the word "envy". MFA already knows this, but others might not. Wow! First of all, it's a nice surprise to see you here! I deliberately put "desires to be worshiped" in quotes. I "desire my young children to eat their vegetables." Not because I directly gain from it.
That's still a desire! And while we want our kids to eat their vegetables for their own good, I certainly gain from it: satisfaction of good parenting, enjoyment of sharing foods I like with my kids, fewer dishes and cooking, etc.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 30, 2021 0:19:31 GMT
Wow! First of all, it's a nice surprise to see you here! I deliberately put "desires to be worshiped" in quotes. I "desire my young children to eat their vegetables." Not because I directly gain from it.
That's still a desire! And while we want our kids to eat their vegetables for their own good, I certainly gain from it: satisfaction of good parenting, enjoyment of sharing foods I like with my kids, fewer dishes and cooking, etc.
Sure. But it's not a "desire to be affirmed by humans" for its own sake, or for his own sake. It's not like he has low self-esteem. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Apr 30, 2021 3:19:20 GMT
The Christians claim to value certain human qualities as humility, forgiveness and kindness and also to dislike other qualities like narcissism, egoism and cruelty. But then they claim that their god has none of the qualities that they value and all of the ones that they dislike!!! IOW, the Christian god is the antithesis of a what a good Christian is supposed to be. Let me explain: The Christian god wishes to be worshiped. In fact it's practically all he cares about. Not only does he wish to be worshiped but he wants it a certain way. A way that he's taught "us". And it's so important that if you fail to worship him the way he wants you to then whatever else you do doesn't matter, you'll be tortured for all eternity. Yeah, you heard it, all eternity without reprieve, for the terrible crime of having failed to glorify the big giant (full of itself ) head the way it wants to!!! So god is not humble, not forgiving (eternity, remember???), not kind (that's the least we can say) but he's definitely a narcissist and shall we say a megalomaniac even, egoist because as I said it doesn't matter what you to to someone else as long as you don't do the proper song and dance that god wants you to do for his sake, and definitely cruel because what could be more cruel than condemning people to an eternity of torture, whatever they have done!!! So looks like the Christian god is really Satan.... Well if you were literate you would know that is not true. Perhaps you should read the Bible before borrowing arguments from illiterate Dawkins and other illiterates. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 9:43:40 GMT
The Christians claim to value certain human qualities as humility, forgiveness and kindness and also to dislike other qualities like narcissism, egoism and cruelty. But then they claim that their god has none of the qualities that they value and all of the ones that they dislike!!! IOW, the Christian god is the antithesis of a what a good Christian is supposed to be. Let me explain: The Christian god wishes to be worshiped. In fact it's practically all he cares about. Not only does he wish to be worshiped but he wants it a certain way. A way that he's taught "us". And it's so important that if you fail to worship him the way he wants you to then whatever else you do doesn't matter, you'll be tortured for all eternity. Yeah, you heard it, all eternity without reprieve, for the terrible crime of having failed to glorify the big giant (full of itself ) head the way it wants to!!! So god is not humble, not forgiving (eternity, remember???), not kind (that's the least we can say) but he's definitely a narcissist and shall we say a megalomaniac even, egoist because as I said it doesn't matter what you to to someone else as long as you don't do the proper song and dance that god wants you to do for his sake, and definitely cruel because what could be more cruel than condemning people to an eternity of torture, whatever they have done!!! So looks like the Christian god is really Satan.... Well if you were literate you would know that is not true. Perhaps you should read the Bible before borrowing arguments from illiterate Dawkins and other illiterates. If you weren't an imbecile you would know that illiterate people don't write books. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Apr 30, 2021 17:02:54 GMT
Well if you were literate you would know that is not true. Perhaps you should read the Bible before borrowing arguments from illiterate Dawkins and other illiterates. If you weren't an imbecile you would know that illiterate people don't write books. Illiterate people do write books. An illiterate person is someone who does little to no reading. Writing books is just another way of shooting your mouth off without doing the research required. Atheists are extremely illiterate because they neither read nor understand the Bible but talk of themselves as if they know more than Bishops, priests, Pastors, martyrs, monks and people who have dedicated their lives to understand and teaching Scripture. Atheists do none of these things. They don't even read the Bible to actually understand what Scripture teaches. They read only to poke holes in verses and passages they do not understand. Simply stated, atheism is a cult because it has no real belief system of its own but places all its focus on hating what they don't understand, which, by definition, is bigotry. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 30, 2021 18:22:06 GMT
If you weren't an imbecile you would know that illiterate people don't write books. Illiterate people do write books. An illiterate person is someone who does little to no reading. Writing books is just another way of shooting your mouth off without doing the research required. Atheists are extremely illiterate because they neither read nor understand the Bible but talk of themselves as if they know more than Bishops, priests, Pastors, martyrs, monks and people who have dedicated their lives to understand and teaching Scripture. Atheists do none of these things. They don't even read the Bible to actually understand what Scripture teaches. They read only to poke holes in verses and passages they do not understand. Simply stated, atheism is a cult because it has no real belief system of its own but places all its focus on hating what they don't understand, which, by definition, is bigotry. The primary definition of "illiterate" (in the English language, which, of course, is the language we are using) is the inability to read and write. |
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Post by Running Deer on Apr 30, 2021 22:28:11 GMT
That's still a desire! And while we want our kids to eat their vegetables for their own good, I certainly gain from it: satisfaction of good parenting, enjoyment of sharing foods I like with my kids, fewer dishes and cooking, etc.
Sure. But it's not a "desire to be affirmed by humans" for its own sake, or for his own sake. It's not like he has low self-esteem.
The Scriptures say that the church is the "fullness of him who fills all in all". I'd say God gets something out of the worship.
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Post by Running Deer on Apr 30, 2021 22:29:30 GMT
If you weren't an imbecile you would know that illiterate people don't write books. Illiterate people do write books. An illiterate person is someone who does little to no reading. Writing books is just another way of shooting your mouth off without doing the research required. Atheists are extremely illiterate because they neither read nor understand the Bible but talk of themselves as if they know more than Bishops, priests, Pastors, martyrs, monks and people who have dedicated their lives to understand and teaching Scripture. Atheists do none of these things. They don't even read the Bible to actually understand what Scripture teaches. They read only to poke holes in verses and passages they do not understand. Simply stated, atheism is a cult because it has no real belief system of its own but places all its focus on hating what they don't understand, which, by definition, is bigotry.
Plenty of atheists are ex-Christians and know the Scriptures very well. Me, for instance. Understanding and agreement are not the same.
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