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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 21:42:00 GMT
You worthless twit! The way you keep treating me with your disgusting condescension while not answering a single one of my questions!!!
You have no right to be condescending, scumbag!!! You never answer anything, never address anything, and wherever you pretend to do so it's a carefully emasculated strawman that has very little to do with the question posed.
You are despicable.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 22, 2021 0:00:11 GMT
Tangent. Your "trash the Bible points" are off-topic. Which is fine, I guess, but it betrays the desperation of someone who is out of his depth. Because you can't address the point at hand. So I take it you will never respond to any of these!!! What an ass!!! You can take your idiotic bible with it's fables, and lies of all kinds and shove it up your breeze way!! "Which is fine"!!! You condescending little lying shit!!! I don't care if you think it's fine!!! Go fuck yourself!!! I've wasted enough of my time with you. Although I understand why you won't even try to defend that pile of shit!!! the labors of Hercules seem like a walk in the park in comparison. There's already a thread on the flood. Put the flood comment there. Or start a new one on the Bible. This conversation started with "Does God Think?" and when you got caught on your back foot you attempted to sidetrack with the tired, old "the Bible is stupid." So lame. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 20:13:24 GMT
Ok, asshole, I'll start a thread, we'll see if you'll have the cojones to answer it with real responses instead of your imbecilic displays of self-contentment.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 22, 2021 20:42:12 GMT
Ok, asshole, I'll start a thread, we'll see if you'll have the cojones to answer it with real responses instead of your imbecilic displays of self-contentment. You're nasty. Unnecessarily. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:18:05 GMT
Ok, asshole, I'll start a thread, we'll see if you'll have the cojones to answer it with real responses instead of your imbecilic displays of self-contentment. You're nasty. Unnecessarily. So are you, hypocrite. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 23, 2021 19:01:19 GMT
You're nasty. Unnecessarily. So are you, hypocrite. I strive not to call nasty names or misinterpret. If I have done so unawares, I apologize. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 20:48:38 GMT
I strive not to call nasty names or misinterpret. If I have done so unawares, I apologize. "Nasty names" are not the only way, nor even the worst one to insult someone, being patronizing and condescending is often worse. However I'll accept your apologies. |
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Post by bama beau on Sept 7, 2023 3:16:58 GMT
Erroneous and illogical. That’s like a Flatlander assuming there is no lateral motion in three-dimensional space. Consider abstractly that “eternity” is a “higher” or “additional dimension.” Why would what is possible and normal in time as we know it be impossible in eternity?
It's usually specified in that way. Outside time and space. It's usually to refute the "big bang" origin of the universe.
I can't speculate on other things there is no evidence for or against.
This is a great argument because if God does exist outside of space and time then He doesn't exist, which would mean that He had to conjure up space time in order to exist. IOW, to be made manifest. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 7, 2023 10:33:39 GMT
It's usually specified in that way. Outside time and space. It's usually to refute the "big bang" origin of the universe.
I can't speculate on other things there is no evidence for or against.
This is a great argument because if God does exist outside of space and time then He doesn't exist, which would mean that He had to conjure up space time in order to exist. IOW, to be made manifest. Wow! Did you find any dinosaur bones there? |
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Post by bama beau on Sept 7, 2023 14:03:29 GMT
This is a great argument because if God does exist outside of space and time then He doesn't exist, which would mean that He had to conjure up space time in order to exist. IOW, to be made manifest. Wow! Did you find any dinosaur bones there? All of them. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 7, 2023 16:47:14 GMT
It's usually specified in that way. Outside time and space. It's usually to refute the "big bang" origin of the universe.
I can't speculate on other things there is no evidence for or against.
This is a great argument because if God does exist outside of space and time then He doesn't exist, which would mean that He had to conjure up space time in order to exist. IOW, to be made manifest. It does not follow that if God exists outside of space and time, then he doesn't exist. In fact, it's internally contradictory. I would argue that God didn't "conjure up space and time in order to exist," but that he created the physical universe as the context for his shared rule with mankind, an expression of love. |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 7, 2023 21:30:55 GMT
This is a great argument because if God does exist outside of space and time then He doesn't exist, which would mean that He had to conjure up space time in order to exist. IOW, to be made manifest. It does not follow that if God exists outside of space and time, then he doesn't exist. In fact, it's internally contradictory. I would argue that God didn't "conjure up space and time in order to exist," but that he created the physical universe as the context for his shared rule with mankind, an expression of love.
How does something exist outside of space and time? What's internally contradictory about it? That's pretty open and shut.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 7, 2023 21:33:49 GMT
It's usually specified in that way. Outside time and space. It's usually to refute the "big bang" origin of the universe.
I can't speculate on other things there is no evidence for or against.
This is a great argument because if God does exist outside of space and time then He doesn't exist, which would mean that He had to conjure up space time in order to exist. IOW, to be made manifest.
I think it's only a good argument for people that deny a big bang origin and think that everything just didn't exist and suddenly does. It's so painfully obvious that view isn't true though that I'm not sure the argument matters. ;-)
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 7, 2023 22:12:25 GMT
It does not follow that if God exists outside of space and time, then he doesn't exist. In fact, it's internally contradictory. I would argue that God didn't "conjure up space and time in order to exist," but that he created the physical universe as the context for his shared rule with mankind, an expression of love.
How does something exist outside of space and time? What's internally contradictory about it? That's pretty open and shut.
You seem to be invested in a naturalistic presupposition—everything that exists does so within (“our?”) space and time. Why is that necessarily true? It’s certainly not provable. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 7, 2023 22:15:16 GMT
This is a great argument because if God does exist outside of space and time then He doesn't exist, which would mean that He had to conjure up space time in order to exist. IOW, to be made manifest.
I think it's only a good argument for people that deny a big bang origin and think that everything just didn't exist and suddenly does. It's so painfully obvious that view isn't true though that I'm not sure the argument matters. ;-)
You do understand, don’t you, that the originator of the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest? You also understand that the Big Bang begs the question as to the origin of the Big Bang, such that non-theists are struggling to find explanations and solutions, none of which are empirically verifiable? For the non-theist, the Big Bang is not a solution to the question of God; it’s a problem. |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 7, 2023 22:29:30 GMT
I think it's only a good argument for people that deny a big bang origin and think that everything just didn't exist and suddenly does. It's so painfully obvious that view isn't true though that I'm not sure the argument matters. ;-)
You do understand, don’t you, that the originator of the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest? You also understand that the Big Bang begs the question as to the origin of the Big Bang, such that non-theists are struggling to find explanations and solutions, none of which are empirically verifiable? For the non-theist, the Big Bang is not a solution to the question of God; it’s a problem.
That's just god of the gaps argument. We know that "nothing" can't exist, that's empirically verifiable therefore the big bang wasn't the beginning of "stuff" to begin with.
None of that screams for a super natural explanation. Just not knowing yet is a perfectly fine answer. Also a super natural explanation actually has no explanatory power whatsoever. What created a god?
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 8, 2023 2:56:50 GMT
You do understand, don’t you, that the originator of the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest? You also understand that the Big Bang begs the question as to the origin of the Big Bang, such that non-theists are struggling to find explanations and solutions, none of which are empirically verifiable? For the non-theist, the Big Bang is not a solution to the question of God; it’s a problem.
That's just god of the gaps argument. We know that "nothing" can't exist, that's empirically verifiable therefore the big bang wasn't the beginning of "stuff" to begin with.
None of that screams for a super natural explanation. Just not knowing yet is a perfectly fine answer. Also a super natural explanation actually has no explanatory power whatsoever. What created a god?
Nothing in your response addressed the content of my post. Although you continue to contradict yourself. |
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Post by william on Sept 8, 2023 5:42:55 GMT
And if so, did God think of the Universe and It was the Universe? Or did God think of the Universe and then create It? Or did God actually give the Universe quite a lot of thought before creating It? What do you think? If Hod thought it, wouldn't it be? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 8, 2023 11:14:14 GMT
That's just god of the gaps argument. We know that "nothing" can't exist, that's empirically verifiable therefore the big bang wasn't the beginning of "stuff" to begin with.
None of that screams for a super natural explanation. Just not knowing yet is a perfectly fine answer. Also a super natural explanation actually has no explanatory power whatsoever. What created a god?
Nothing in your response addressed the content of my post. Although you continue to contradict yourself. Patronizing, smug and contemptuous... That's why it's impossible to discuss anything with you. |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 8, 2023 13:24:39 GMT
Nothing in your response addressed the content of my post. Although you continue to contradict yourself. Patronizing, smug and contemptuous... That's why it's impossible to discuss anything with you. Is it possible for you to have a discussion with anyone on here? |
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