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Post by Fiddler on Jul 23, 2020 14:03:45 GMT
Jasmine mentioned something about not knowing that different guitars sound different. That's probably true of other listeners and of other instruments. Thought some might be interested in where they come from and why modern instruments sound the way they do.
Feel free to add but consider the topic is the instrument's sound and not so much the music played on them. I've tried to find 'short'ish versions of these stories. I'm winging it but .. for MODERN instruments chronologically speaking I think we have to start with the Hammond Organ / Leslie combination.
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 23, 2020 20:14:14 GMT
Unquestionably the electrified guitar is the centerpiece of modern music making.
Inventing the Electric Guitar ...
Yes Jas .. they sound different.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 23, 2020 20:43:46 GMT
That guy can really play. But keep in mind too that each guitar has different pickup and tone settings. The PRS is actually quite different on the various pickup settings (I think that's the exact model I have, except mine is red). I have a Washburn J9 that's similar to that Gretsch Falcon (although not probably quite as nice). You can get quite a variety in sound on that as well. I have an Ibanez 540S that's more the light/thin sound, but with the Floyd-Rose that will bend all the way.
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Post by jasmine on Jul 23, 2020 22:33:42 GMT
Unquestionably the electrified guitar is the centerpiece of modern music making.
Inventing the Electric Guitar ...
Yes Jas .. they sound different.
That’s cool! I had no idea about this stuff! Would anyone happen to know what song the guy is playing at the start of the second video? (From about the :10 Mark) |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 24, 2020 1:05:44 GMT
That’s cool! I had no idea about this stuff! Would anyone happen to know what song the guy is playing at the start of the second video? (From about the :10 Mark) Probably just jamming and making stuff up. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 24, 2020 1:13:56 GMT
Unquestionably the electrified guitar is the centerpiece of modern music making.
Inventing the Electric Guitar ...
Yes Jas .. they sound different.
That’s cool! I had no idea about this stuff! Would anyone happen to know what song the guy is playing at the start of the second video? (From about the :10 Mark)
Oh, that's the intro to the Battle Hymn of the Republic, Gangnam style.
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 24, 2020 13:20:39 GMT
That’s cool! I had no idea about this stuff! Would anyone happen to know what song the guy is playing at the start of the second video? (From about the :10 Mark) Probably just jamming and making stuff up.
Yea.. That's what it appears.. Just something to showcase the different timbres.
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Post by bama beau on Jul 24, 2020 17:27:29 GMT
Jasmine mentioned something about not knowing that different guitars sound different. That's probably true of other listeners and of other instruments. Thought some might be interested in where they come from and why modern instruments sound the way they do.
Feel free to add but consider the topic is the instrument's sound and not so much the music played on them. I've tried to find 'short'ish versions of these stories. I'm winging it but .. for MODERN instruments chronologically speaking I think we have to start with the Hammond Organ / Leslie combination.
Went all the way to NOLA to see Jimmy Smith at the festival in 1994, and never could get the rest of the group together in time for the shuttle. And this was three years into sobriety, so I don't even have that excuse. RIP, Charles Vann. I will always remember you as the one person who loved the sound of the Hammond B3 as much as me. www.tampabay.com/archive/1996/12/18/jazz-lover-s-life-ends-on-a-high-note/ |
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Post by bama beau on Jul 24, 2020 18:00:02 GMT
Dammit, Fiddler. The last time I started posting B3 videos,
I think the OG LNF admin gave me a two week timeout.
I just couldn't stop.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 25, 2020 5:48:03 GMT
Many pianos sound different. Such as a full upright vs. a low console, or a concert grand or a honky-tonk. And that's not even touching the various electronic versions.
It takes something of a connoisseur to distinguish between various high quality classical guitars, or violins. I couldn't begin to tell one brand of a particular type of wind instrument from another. But I figure a good player could.
The piece played by all these various electric guitars is simply referred to as a "riff". I couldn't find a reference to any particular piece. It could be an instrumental break inserted to any tune or song (in the same key).
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Post by bama beau on Jul 25, 2020 22:38:01 GMT
Brother Jack McDuff.
He deserves his own thread.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 26, 2020 3:23:45 GMT
To me, modern music starts with Mozart.
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Post by Mercy for All on Aug 3, 2020 0:45:18 GMT
To me, modern music starts with Mozart.
Technically, you'd be correct. |
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 3, 2020 1:35:01 GMT
To me, modern music starts with Mozart.
Technically, you'd be correct.
I was a university music major until I wasn't.
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 3, 2020 1:40:02 GMT
Many pianos sound different. Such as a full upright vs. a low console, or a concert grand or a honky-tonk. And that's not even touching the various electronic versions.
It takes something of a connoisseur to distinguish between various high quality classical guitars, or violins. I couldn't begin to tell one brand of a particular type of wind instrument from another. But I figure a good player could.
The piece played by all these various electric guitars is simply referred to as a "riff". I couldn't find a reference to any particular piece. It could be an instrumental break inserted to any tune or song (in the same key).
Thinking about it, I'd have little problem telling acoustic guitars apart, such as a classic guitar with nylon strings, from a Martin steel string folk/bluegrass guitar. It's the greater versatility of an electrified guitar that enables them to sound even more different. But I don't think I'd want to play Fernando Sor or Bach on an electric guitar. Then again, I've never tried.
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Post by Mercy for All on Aug 3, 2020 2:05:03 GMT
Thinking about it, I'd have little problem telling acoustic guitars apart, such as a classic guitar with nylon strings, from a Martin steel string folk/bluegrass guitar. It's the greater versatility of an electrified guitar that enables them to sound even more different. But I don't think I'd want to play Fernando Sor or Bach on an electric guitar. Then again, I've never tried.
Depends on the guitar. Heavier strings and fatter neck are not that bad. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Aug 3, 2020 2:05:52 GMT
I was a university music major until I wasn't.
Interesting. I was a university film major until I wasn't. I have a theology degree with a major in music in which there was a smattering of history, orchestration, etc. |
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 3, 2020 3:24:25 GMT
Thinking about it, I'd have little problem telling acoustic guitars apart, such as a classic guitar with nylon strings, from a Martin steel string folk/bluegrass guitar. It's the greater versatility of an electrified guitar that enables them to sound even more different. But I don't think I'd want to play Fernando Sor or Bach on an electric guitar. Then again, I've never tried.
Depends on the guitar. Heavier strings and fatter neck are not that bad.
Um, I'm not sure what you are referring to.
A true classic guitar has a very wide neck, to facilitate separate of the strings so that individual notes can be played cleanly without being limited to any particular chord arrangement. A folk or blues guitar with a more narrow neck is more suited for playing chords and chord progressions, with any individual notes keeping more or less to the whatever chord is being fingered. More or less the same for electric guitars - designed for chords rather than individual notes. That said, there is a limitation inherent in the guitar where true 12 tone music would be difficult if not impossible, unlike the piano where all keys are equal and equally accessible.
As for string weight, classic guitar nylon strings may be lighter in weight but generally are fatter than steel strings. This is a trade-off for the softer and potentially more expressive tone of the nylon strings vs. the brighter and less expressive tone of a steel string.
I had no formal musical instrument training when I was a kid. I picked up a cheap sort of classic guitar when I was in high school, replaced the steel strings with nylon, and then got sheet music from the library. Eventually after about 10 years I bought a more suitable instrument from a friend, used. And in the past decade I found one at a reasonable price at Costco, of all places. Meanwhile I picked up the violin after hearing some players at a folk music club and started learning that. For that I took lessons in college but I admit I was never all that great. But I enjoyed it immensely, especially sitting at the back of the orchestra being part of that wonderful sound.
I dropped the music major and changed to a science major; largely because I didn't want to starve after I got my degree. Instead I starved while getting it, LOL. But it all worked out. The only casualty is that I haven't touched a fiddle or guitar in years, not even the electric keyboard that sits there mockingly in my living room. Today words are my instrument. I don't know if I'm any good at that, either, but I enjoy it immensely.
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Post by Mercy for All on Aug 3, 2020 19:38:22 GMT
Um, I'm not sure what you are referring to. A true classic guitar has a very wide neck, to facilitate separate of the strings so that individual notes can be played cleanly without being limited to any particular chord arrangement. A folk or blues guitar with a more narrow neck is more suited for playing chords and chord progressions, with any individual notes keeping more or less to the whatever chord is being fingered. More or less the same for electric guitars - designed for chords rather than individual notes. That said, there is a limitation inherent in the guitar where true 12 tone music would be difficult if not impossible, unlike the piano where all keys are equal and equally accessible.
As for string weight, classic guitar nylon strings may be lighter in weight but generally are fatter than steel strings. This is a trade-off for the softer and potentially more expressive tone of the nylon strings vs. the brighter and less expressive tone of a steel string. Right. It's not easy playing classical music on an electric. But it's possible. My classical guitar is about as fat-necked as you can get (my first "real" guitar). My first electric has the narrowest neck I've ever seen on a guitar. On my Washburn, it's possible to play some classical tunes, including Bach. It can take time to get back to form, but it really is like riding a bike. It will come back. Over the years I've vacillated between piano and guitar, but I've never put down either permanently. Lately in COVID-lockdown I've started picking up my acoustic a little more frequently--had to rebuild callouses that weren't as necessary for electric guitar. I've borrowed a keyboard with weighted keys and a decent piano sound, and I usually get in at least a few hours a week on that too. |
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 3, 2020 19:44:11 GMT
Um, I'm not sure what you are referring to. A true classic guitar has a very wide neck, to facilitate separate of the strings so that individual notes can be played cleanly without being limited to any particular chord arrangement. A folk or blues guitar with a more narrow neck is more suited for playing chords and chord progressions, with any individual notes keeping more or less to the whatever chord is being fingered. More or less the same for electric guitars - designed for chords rather than individual notes. That said, there is a limitation inherent in the guitar where true 12 tone music would be difficult if not impossible, unlike the piano where all keys are equal and equally accessible.
As for string weight, classic guitar nylon strings may be lighter in weight but generally are fatter than steel strings. This is a trade-off for the softer and potentially more expressive tone of the nylon strings vs. the brighter and less expressive tone of a steel string. Right. It's not easy playing classical music on an electric. But it's possible. My classical guitar is about as fat-necked as you can get (my first "real" guitar). My first electric has the narrowest neck I've ever seen on a guitar. On my Washburn, it's possible to play some classical tunes, including Bach. It can take time to get back to form, but it really is like riding a bike. It will come back. Over the years I've vacillated between piano and guitar, but I've never put down either permanently. Lately in COVID-lockdown I've started picking up my acoustic a little more frequently--had to rebuild callouses that weren't as necessary for electric guitar. I've borrowed a keyboard with weighted keys and a decent piano sound, and I usually get in at least a few hours a week on that too. Yes, I could probably pick up a guitar and play some of my favorite classical or folk pieces no problem. Just not for very long.
The violin is different. It requires muscle training to avoid sounding like a tortured cat. That could take quite a bit longer than just strumming on a six string.
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