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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 17:45:59 GMT
The Base™ is too aggrieved and victimized to have any empathy for anyone but themselves. It's crazy that when I read this I honestly wasn't sure if you were talking about the left or the right. Then I saw it was you posting so I *assumed* you mean the right. And yet ... I know you're a bit more informed than the average leftist ... so I'm still not sure. Queshank
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Post by archie on Jul 21, 2020 17:47:21 GMT
Not sure about that. I bet she’s a dyke.
Well, at least she's not a female impersonator like you, Jasman.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 19:55:41 GMT
Let's try this with basketball. Say there are ten players, and each player has their own basket somewhere around the edge of the court. The players each play for themselves, trying to get the ball into their basket as many times as they can, and maybe also trying to prevent other players from getting the ball into their own baskets. Then say five of the players agree among themselves that they are going to have only one basket and work together as a team to try to get the ball into that basket, and to prevent the other players from getting the ball into their own respective baskets. And, because they are playing as a team, they feel that each time their team gets the ball into their team's basket, it means as much to each team member as it does for the individual players when they get the ball into their own basket. At the end of a period of play, who do you think will have the most points? The five players who are playing individually, or the five players who are playing as a team? You just made a remarkably profound post about the virtues of socialism. Queshank
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 20:41:05 GMT
You just made a remarkably profound post about the virtues of socialism. Queshank Can you point to where I'm wrong? Why would I want to? Scratch me hard enough you'll find a Democratic Socialist. You are 100% right about the virtues of socialism. I would just repurpose your argument for single payer and call it a good day. Queshank
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 20:42:03 GMT
I mean shit Dman.
Can you imagine how awesome we could be as a team if we get blacks and whites on the same team?
There's nothing we couldn't do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 21:07:04 GMT
At the end of a period of play, who do you think will have the most points? The five players who are playing individually, or the five players who are playing as a team? The five players playing individually will have the most. They will have roughly 5x the number of baskets/points.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 21:14:08 GMT
The five players playing individually will have the most. They will have roughly 5x the number of baskets/points. Lay out the assumptions under which that is the case. Its basic math. Your team solution gets rid of 4/5 of the balls and baskets, and thus the points possible under that scenario diminish accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 21:19:04 GMT
I mean shit Dman. Can you imagine how awesome we could be as a team if we get blacks and whites on the same team? There's nothing we couldn't do. Queshank We could do all kinds of stuff if wishes were horses. But they're not, and the reality is that blacks are playing as a team against whites, and whites are playing as individuals and so they keep losing. We can try to convince whites to play on the black team against whites, and in many cases that is working and has happened, so that whites end up playing on a team against their own individual interests. Or we can try to convince blacks to play individually or to switch to the white team. I don't think we'll have much luck at that. The wind is blowing much more the other direction, so that blacks are becoming more and more team-like. The way I see it, the only way forward is for whites to admit which way the wind is blowing and start playing as team white. It's not my ideal, but it's what we are faced with because the other side is playing a team sport and show no sign of stopping. Bullshit. This is your ideal. You are a committed racist and want others to join your religion. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but the "team" solution you have presented is a renunciation of the liberal order and has no place in the modern world. Your solution is the path to social collapse and civilizational ruin.
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Post by MojoJojo on Jul 21, 2020 21:26:23 GMT
The Base™ is too aggrieved and victimized to have any empathy for anyone but themselves. It's crazy that when I read this I honestly wasn't sure if you were talking about the left or the right. Then I saw it was you posting so I *assumed* you mean the right. And yet ... I know you're a bit more informed than the average leftist ... so I'm still not sure. Queshank Sure, if you're broadening the picture to show the mirror that is reflected in partisanship. I was answering within the context of "ArE TrUmp sUPporters RaciST?!", and stand by it. His base is too concerned with their own grievances, China, illegal! immigrants, the press (main stream), job killing regulations, high taxes, etc.., to empathize with someone else's complaints, especially inner city dwellers who reelect (D) representatives. Hell, they're just reaping what they sow...send in the troops to restore Law & Order! Spinning that around and focusing on the partisan mirror's reflection is fine, if pointing out hypocrisy is desired, but charges of hypocrisy are meaningless. :/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 21:31:27 GMT
It's crazy that when I read this I honestly wasn't sure if you were talking about the left or the right. Then I saw it was you posting so I *assumed* you mean the right. And yet ... I know you're a bit more informed than the average leftist ... so I'm still not sure. Queshank Sure, if you're broadening the picture to show the mirror that is reflected in partisanship. I was answering within the context of "ArE TrUmp sUPporters RaciST?!", and stand by it. His base is too concerned with their own grievances, China, illegal! immigrants, the press (main stream), job killing regulations, high taxes, etc.., to empathize with someone else's complaints, especially inner city dwellers who reelect (D) representatives. Hell, they're just reaping what they sow...send in the troops to restore Law & Order! Spinning that around and focusing on the partisan mirror's reflection is fine, if pointing out hypocrisy is desired, but charges of hypocrisy are meaningless. :/ Sure. But pointing out hypocrisy can be beneficial in illustrating why someone can't persuade effectively. Not in a "You so stupid you're a hypocrite" way. More in a "Physician heal thyself before you go out and think you're going to heal society" way. But I'm really not pointing out hypocrisy. I was responding because I seriously did not know which you were referencing. I didn't notice it was your post until after I saw the comment and thought "okay...what's this about?" and then looked to the poster name. And that I think is more interesting than your observations on hypocrisy. The fact that I couldn't tell. Queshank
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 22:52:07 GMT
I mean shit Dman. Can you imagine how awesome we could be as a team if we get blacks and whites on the same team? There's nothing we couldn't do. Queshank We could do all kinds of stuff if wishes were horses. But they're not, and the reality is that blacks are playing as a team against whites, and whites are playing as individuals and so they keep losing. We can try to convince whites to play on the black team against whites, and in many cases that is working and has happened, so that whites end up playing on a team against their own individual interests. Or we can try to convince blacks to play individually or to switch to the white team. I don't think we'll have much luck at that. The wind is blowing much more the other direction, so that blacks are becoming more and more team-like. The way I see it, the only way forward is for whites to admit which way the wind is blowing and start playing as team white. It's not my ideal, but it's what we are faced with because the other side is playing a team sport and show no sign of stopping. I don't even know how to respond to someone who believes "whites keep losing." The sheer nonsense of such a statement. I mean... I can't even compute. If you want to have discussions in the abstract, which you seem to, let's just consider: What's the real danger in blacks finally, for once in human history, scoring a win? Do you think it's zero sum and something like "defunding the police" is a loss for whites? Because I see that as a huuuuge win for whites. Almost a "standing on the necks of blacks to get it" win for whitey. Queshank
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 23:37:30 GMT
Its basic math. Your team solution gets rid of 4/5 of the balls and baskets, and thus the points possible under the scenario diminish accordingly. There is only one ball, as in normal basketball between two teams. Okay well I read your post pretty quick so I guess I missed that part. Regardless, the team analogy breaks down because white people aren't actually on some big team. We don't share victories or losses, profits or debits, wives or husbands, homes, cars, or anything at all, with other white people, merely because they are "white." To the extent we share these things with others it is because they are our friends and family, not someone random person with a similar skin tone. Further, to the extent we "clan up" and join these teams, we divide society against itself and undermine our collective welfare, freedom and future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 23:58:33 GMT
I don't even know how to respond to someone who believes "whites keep losing." The sheer nonsense of such a statement. I mean... I can't even compute. If you want to have discussions in the abstract, which you seem to, let's just consider: What's the real danger in blacks finally, for once in human history, scoring a win? Do you think it's zero sum and something like "defunding the police" is a loss for whites? Because I see that as a huuuuge win for whites. Almost a "standing on the necks of blacks to get it" win for whitey. Queshank It wouldn't be the first time in history for blacks to score a win. They've been scoring wins continually for decades. It just doesn't show up in current statistics because the blacks are unable to turn their wins to account. After desegregating schools, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, etc., blacks are still twice as unemployed and making only 60% the white incomes, the same as they were 70 years ago. And after 70 more years of policy whack-a-mole, how do you think things will be? Probably about the same? Meanwhile, for whites, the schools have gone bad, whites are chased from neighborhood to neighborhood, and they are affirmatively discriminated against in education and hiring. It's win after win for the blacks and loss after loss for the whites. And it's not going to stop.
Were those wins for "blacks?" Or for the Democrat Party?
There's a number of highly credentialed and intelligent black thinkers who see those things you're referencing as more "whitey" meddling and casting the black community aside once they've served their fundraising purposes.
I mean ... if we're going to point to how bad things worked out for "blacks" in all of these things you're calling a win ... why in the world would we call them "wins?" It seems a bit selective. Do you have any other "wins" you can point to with at least a veneer of legitimacy?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 3:55:35 GMT
Okay well I read your post pretty quick so I guess I missed that part. Regardless, the team analogy breaks down because white people aren't actually on some big team. We don't share victories or losses, profits or debits, wives or husbands, homes, cars, or anything at all, with other white people, merely because they are "white." To the extent we share these things with others it is because they are our friends and family, not someone random person with a similar skin tone. Further, to the extent we "clan up" and join these teams, we divide society against itself and undermine our collective welfare, freedom and future. In this case, it is blacks who clanned up first. That's the silliest thing you've said in a long time. I tend to sneer at the 1619 project but it is clear some sort of history lesson is in order.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 22, 2020 5:23:02 GMT
In this case, it is blacks who clanned up first. That's the silliest thing you've said in a long time. I tend to sneer at the 1619 project but it is clear some sort of history lesson is in order.
Please don't waste your time. His agenda doesn't admit the truth.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 22, 2020 5:40:55 GMT
Please don't waste your time. His agenda doesn't admit the truth.
The truth is that blacks are genetically unequal in intellectual ability, so they will always be an underclass, and they will always be angry about that. We can try to accommodate them and ruin our schools, businesses, neighborhoods, etc., in the process. But why should we sacrifice? They complain about this and they complain about that, when they are the biggest troublemakers by far. Everyone should be complaining about them, but we've been taught not to be "racist" or not to "tell the truth." It's time to tell the truth, and it's time to start complaining about the blacks and all the trouble they cause. They'll get violent about it. So? We've tried so hard to get along with them, and what do we get for it? Jack shit. It's time to stop being nice, and it's time for white people to stop backing up every time the blacks tell them to back up. Or are we supposed to just keep backing up? When does it stop? When they say, or when we say? Is there anybody genetically the same in anything? Maybe clones?
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Post by RWB on Jul 24, 2020 18:22:06 GMT
How many of you leftist-libbies agree with this? Here’s another question: If you voted for Obama simply he is black, does that make you racist? well than by that view then if you vote for Senile Joe Biden you're a Pedophile
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