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Post by william on Jul 12, 2020 20:44:08 GMT
Y'all be sounding like a big bang theory argument about superman or batman
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 22:26:14 GMT
Y'all be sounding like a big bang theory argument about superman or batman Sometimes it’s refreshing to have discussions and share opinions about things that don’t matter. Debating the life and death and future-of-the-country stuff constantly can get wearisome. Sometimes we need some dessert after a heavy meal. How Biff Tannen got to Marty and Doc in 2015? Fun and certainly less stressful than COVID-19! The key is to remember the “does not matter” part. When you forget that, when I start thinking people who disagree with me on Tron are objectively wrong, you end up with toxic fandoms, gatekeepers and other abhorrent things.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 12, 2020 23:09:28 GMT
What was it that you disliked so much in the third one? I mean was it the time travel issue, the acting,.. something else? Personally I thought it was slightly better than the second one. Really? Hmmm...it just came across as completely silly to me. Like...the bad cowboy is Biff's ancestor, getting a train up to 88mph...
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 12, 2020 23:11:15 GMT
Y'all be sounding like a big bang theory argument about superman or batman 😂 Just wait until we start arguing about Star Trek movies. I was talking about the movies at work (the "even number theory," which just seems so obvious you don't have to argue for it), and my co-worker tells me the next day that he and his wife were dying laughing, because the same conversation was happening on Big Bang that night. 😳
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 12, 2020 23:13:17 GMT
The key is to remember the “does not matter” part. When you forget that, when I start thinking people who disagree with me on Tron are objectively wrong, you end up with toxic fandoms, gatekeepers and other abhorrent things. It's like extreme Star Wars or Harry Potter fans on Quora justifying obvious mistakes and plot holes with obscure, tortuous, and convoluted explanations.
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Post by MojoJojo on Jul 13, 2020 0:49:11 GMT
Raising Arizona, is one of my all time faves. Early Coen brothers direction, Holly Hunter and Nicolas Cage, dark comedic gold, IMO. One of the great things about it is that, to too many people, "dark comedy" means either cruel or outrageously vulgar. "Look, I've got a handicapped guy falling down a hill and landing in a pile of dog poop! Har! Har! What are you complaining about? It's dark comedy, you uncultured swine!" "Look, this guy dressed as Santa got caught [doing something incredibly vulgar] with a [insert beloved toy from your childhood here] in a toy store on Christmas Eve! Har! Har! What are you complaining about? It's dark comedy, you uncultured swine!" Raising Arizona is a dark comedy, but it is dark comedy done right. It is neither cruel, nor extremely vulgar. If anything, it actually manages to come across as sweet. That's not easy to do. Any idiot can be be cruel or outrageously vulgar. A dark, but sweet comedy takes skill. Illegal activity by a cop, kidnapping a baby, aiding escaped convicts, the Devil himself... Quite dark and done oh so right!
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Post by Greg55_99 on Jul 13, 2020 1:50:48 GMT
One of the great things about it is that, to too many people, "dark comedy" means either cruel or outrageously vulgar. "Look, I've got a handicapped guy falling down a hill and landing in a pile of dog poop! Har! Har! What are you complaining about? It's dark comedy, you uncultured swine!" "Look, this guy dressed as Santa got caught [doing something incredibly vulgar] with a [insert beloved toy from your childhood here] in a toy store on Christmas Eve! Har! Har! What are you complaining about? It's dark comedy, you uncultured swine!" Raising Arizona is a dark comedy, but it is dark comedy done right. It is neither cruel, nor extremely vulgar. If anything, it actually manages to come across as sweet. That's not easy to do. Any idiot can be be cruel or outrageously vulgar. A dark, but sweet comedy takes skill. And the Cohen Brothers can do Okay, here are a few that meet the OP, that is, if I understand the OP. The General Little Tramp The Lover Bad Day at Black Rock - great film A Face in the Crowd And a couple of also ran 7 Samauri Matewan Matewan was great! If you've ever lived in or near Appalachia you'd get it! Greg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 3:28:53 GMT
1) PCU 2) Shrek 3) Flight of the Navigator 4) The Increasingly Poor Choices of Todd Margaret (not a movie, but my God it is so funny) 5) Airline Disaster (but only because it is so bad that it is epic! EPIC!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 6:28:54 GMT
What was it that you disliked so much in the third one? I mean was it the time travel issue, the acting,.. something else? Personally I thought it was slightly better than the second one. Really? Hmmm...it just came across as completely silly to me. Like...the bad cowboy is Biff's ancestor, getting a train up to 88mph... It seems to me that it's a Hollywood bias, people are exactly like their ancestors and their descendants. We see that all the time. Sure it's silly and prejudiced but it's not particularly specific to that movie. As for the train, well, without it you don't have much of a story.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 10:14:04 GMT
The key is to remember the “does not matter” part. When you forget that, when I start thinking people who disagree with me on Tron are objectively wrong, you end up with toxic fandoms, gatekeepers and other abhorrent things. It's like extreme Star Wars or Harry Potter fans on Quora justifying obvious mistakes and plot holes with obscure, tortuous, and convoluted explanations. That’s a perfectly benign hobby if one remembers my earlier admonition that it doesn’t really matter. Just about every movie or story has a plot hole, error or something that requires a suspension of disbelief. Finding a way to paper over those as an intellectual exercise can be a fun, entertaining activity and is even a good way to stretch your creative muscles. My wife and I are big Star Trek fans. When watching, we hit the pause button a lot because we frequently come across things that don’t make sense (“too much photonic energy” to use the transporters is probably our all-time favorite example). Sometimes we laugh it off, sometimes we try to rationalize it, sometimes we admit that the mistakes might ruin that particular episode for us, but regardless, we’re having fun with it. It’s a game. Sometimes after watching other movies, we’ll discuss things we had issues with or that seemed to be plot holes and we’ll see if we can make them work. But again, it all comes down to remembering that it doesn’t matter and we all have different tolerances for plot holes. Coming back to Star Wars, it doesn’t bother me that Obi Wan doesn’t remember “owning” R2D2 in ANH. I can rationalize that pretty easily. I do have an issue with Leía having memories of her “real mother,” something I can’t make work without destroying the emotional impact of Luke’s question to her in ROTJ. But, in the end, it’s just a story. If you feel differently about those “holes,” it would be ridiculous for me to get upset about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 10:19:54 GMT
Y'all be sounding like a big bang theory argument about superman or batman 😂 Just wait until we start arguing about Star Trek movies. I was talking about the movies at work (the "even number theory," which just seems so obvious you don't have to argue for it), and my co-worker tells me the next day that he and his wife were dying laughing, because the same conversation was happening on Big Bang that night. 😳 PS Star Trek V is underrated. ( runs and hides)
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 13, 2020 16:01:07 GMT
But again, it all comes down to remembering that it doesn’t matter and we all have different tolerances for plot holes. Coming back to Star Wars, it doesn’t bother me that Obi Wan doesn’t remember “owning” R2D2 in ANH. I can rationalize that pretty easily. I do have an issue with Leía having memories of her “real mother,” something I can’t make work without destroying the emotional impact of Luke’s question to her in ROTJ. But, in the end, it’s just a story. If you feel differently about those “holes,” it would be ridiculous for me to get upset about it. To me, betraying the established rules of the universe is frustrating. "Papering over" what (to me) is essentially bad writing is just special pleading. There are ways to create unexpected surprise that actually makes sense--like, I thought there was a rule in this universe, but apparently it isn't a rule...but it actually is consistent and makes sense from the beginning (like, with adequate subtle foreshadowing and stuff). Like, for example, in Sixth Sense.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 13, 2020 16:02:57 GMT
PS Star Trek V is underrated. ( runs and hides) (throws stone and misses)You know those movies you want to like and try hard to like? My best friend in high school saw it on opening day. He was so excited about how good it was that he dragged us other two musketeers to see it on the second day. He really wanted to like it so much. To me, the whole movie makes sense as a campfire story (think about that..."Life is but a dream...").
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 16:09:14 GMT
PS Star Trek V is underrated. ( runs and hides) (throws stone and misses)You know those movies you want to like and try hard to like? My best friend in high school saw it on opening day. He was so excited about how good it was that he dragged us other two musketeers to see it on the second day. He really wanted to like it so much. To me, the whole movie makes sense as a campfire story (think about that..."Life is but a dream..."). Keep in mind, underrated doesn't mean "great." When I get time, I'll post my thoughts on this in more detail. I'm on a break between classes at the moment.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 13, 2020 19:23:20 GMT
Okay, here are a few that meet the OP, that is, if I understand the OP. The General Little Tramp The Lover Bad Day at Black Rock - great film A Face in the Crowd And a couple of also ran 7 Samauri Matewan You've got some "great movies" in that list, so no, you misunderstand the OP. 😜
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Post by william on Jul 13, 2020 21:04:06 GMT
Okay, here are a few that meet the OP, that is, if I understand the OP. The General Little Tramp The Lover Bad Day at Black Rock - great film A Face in the Crowd And a couple of also ran 7 Samauri Matewan You've got some "great movies" in that list, so no, you misunderstand the OP. 😜 So, movies that are a waste of time to watch?
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 13, 2020 21:19:38 GMT
So, movies that are a waste of time to watch? No, movies that you enjoy that might be less well-known or recognized, either by critics or the general population.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 21:37:09 GMT
But again, it all comes down to remembering that it doesn’t matter and we all have different tolerances for plot holes. Coming back to Star Wars, it doesn’t bother me that Obi Wan doesn’t remember “owning” R2D2 in ANH. I can rationalize that pretty easily. I do have an issue with Leía having memories of her “real mother,” something I can’t make work without destroying the emotional impact of Luke’s question to her in ROTJ. But, in the end, it’s just a story. If you feel differently about those “holes,” it would be ridiculous for me to get upset about it. To me, betraying the established rules of the universe is frustrating. "Papering over" what (to me) is essentially bad writing is just special pleading... I suppose to me it depends on the intent of the papering, or choosing not to. If I'm papering to help myself enjoy something, there's no harm done and "special pleading" doesn't really come into it. If I'm refusing to paper because I simply don't like what the plot hole in question is, that's OK too. And it's OK to stick up for your view. But if I'm fighting battles with people and causing dissension and drawing lines between "true fans" and "posers" or whatever, then I've lost my way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 21:45:28 GMT
PS Star Trek V is underrated. ( runs and hides) (throws stone and misses)You know those movies you want to like and try hard to like? My best friend in high school saw it on opening day. He was so excited about how good it was that he dragged us other two musketeers to see it on the second day. He really wanted to like it so much. To me, the whole movie makes sense as a campfire story (think about that..."Life is but a dream..."). This might inspire me to start a thread on how each of us evaluates a movie. For me, Start Trek V is an average movie with several flaws, but (to me) none of them fatal. And it actually reaches pretty far and tries to do some neat and new things, though it doesn't always grasp what it's reaching for. Having said that, I actually think it's decent Trek. Not great Trek, but better than a lot of other two straight hours of Trek one could choose to watch. And it doesn't commit the cardinal sin of being boring (I'm looking at you, Star Trek:The Motion Picture). I'll never say it's great Trek, but I do think it gets hammered harder than it otherwise would had it been directed by someone people didn't already enjoy bashing. I have a hard time not believing that Shatner's personality (and it's a big one!) doesn't play a role in some of the vitriol directed at the movie.
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Post by william on Jul 13, 2020 22:54:35 GMT
So, movies that are a waste of time to watch? No, movies that you enjoy that might be less well-known or recognized, either by critics or the general population. How about these? None came recommended and I enjoyed all. I have no idea if they were publicly or commercially successful. Sticking with some of the same actors as several earlier posts 1) 7 Psychopaths - Christopher Walken 2) Bad Times at the El Royale - Jeff Bridges 3) Unbreakable - Bruce Willis 4) Paul 5) Knives Out Bonus This is a series, but only 3 parts and has a no sequel ever ending. It's about 2.5 hours, so basically, a british made for tv movie broadcast in 1 hour time slots. it's on Acorn TV 6) And Then There Were None
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