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Post by freonbale on Jul 7, 2020 17:43:41 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Jul 7, 2020 18:14:37 GMT
Oh, I like your analogy, but, you forgot to mention the Confederate flag in the back window of the Chevy...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 19:08:49 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 7, 2020 19:59:51 GMT
Hey, I object to the bias that an old Chevy truck is somehow indicative of the owner being a good old boy Trump supporter.
However, an old Ford truck owner quite possibly could be one of them folks.
And old Dodge truck owners are generally apolitical.
Let's not even get into the International Harvester and Studebaker crowd. They are just too weird.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 7, 2020 20:09:59 GMT
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 7, 2020 20:10:29 GMT
Let's not even get into the International Harvester and Studebaker crowd. They are just too weird.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 7, 2020 20:21:22 GMT
Let's not even get into the International Harvester and Studebaker crowd. They are just too weird.
There's still a "Studebaker crowd"? Well, you know what they say.
Three's a crowd.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 7, 2020 20:26:29 GMT
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric.
I appreciate where you're going with this but the Tesla Cybertruck is butt ugly. I agree with you on that, but again, your comment is about the trees, not the forest. It is what the Cybertruck heralds, not the Cybertruck itself.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 7, 2020 20:27:54 GMT
Hey, I object to the bias that an old Chevy truck is somehow indicative of the owner being a good old boy Trump supporter.
However, an old Ford truck owner quite possibly could be one of them folks.
And old Dodge truck owners are generally apolitical.
Let's not even get into the International Harvester and Studebaker crowd. They are just too weird.
We're talking carbureted here 
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 7, 2020 21:44:26 GMT
I agree with you on that, but again, your comment is about the trees, not the forest. It is what the Cybertruck heralds, not the Cybertruck itself.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 7, 2020 22:49:04 GMT
I agree with you on that, but again, your comment is about the trees, not the forest. It is what the Cybertruck heralds, not the Cybertruck itself.
Freon
My comment was intended to be light. I'm not arguing about the Cybertruck. Do you take everything so seriously? Just getting to know you.
Honestly, because of your obvious religious bias, and others in here with a similar one, there is a certain expectation regarding your boundaries.
Please be patient with me.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 7, 2020 22:50:45 GMT
Just getting to know you.
Honestly, because of your obvious religious bias, and others in here with a similar one, there is a certain expectation regarding your boundaries.
Please be patient with me.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 7, 2020 23:25:57 GMT
Hey, I object to the bias that an old Chevy truck is somehow indicative of the owner being a good old boy Trump supporter.
However, an old Ford truck owner quite possibly could be one of them folks.
And old Dodge truck owners are generally apolitical.
Let's not even get into the International Harvester and Studebaker crowd. They are just too weird.
We're talking carbureted here
Freon
Well, if I'm not mistaken, there were few if any fuel-injected pickup trucks in the 50's and 60's, let alone turbo-charged, at least for gas powered ones vs. diesel powered ones.
And virtually no electric powered pickup trucks.
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Post by william on Jul 7, 2020 23:28:11 GMT
I appreciate where you're going with this but the Tesla Cybertruck is butt ugly. I agree with you on that, but again, your comment is about the trees, not the forest. It is what the Cybertruck heralds, not the Cybertruck itself.
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Post by william on Jul 7, 2020 23:32:11 GMT
We're talking carbureted here
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Well, if I'm not mistaken, there were few if any fuel-injected pickup trucks in the 50's and 60's, let alone turbo-charged, at least for gas powered ones vs. diesel powered ones.
And virtually no electric powered pickup trucks.
So, Buddy sitting on the front fender with a gallon jug of gasoline pouring it into the carburetor doesn't count. There was lots of fire and smoke, but he was in a hurry to test the new motor. As for electric, you would be surprised just how far you can go with a 6 volt battery powering the electric starter motor on a 53 Chevy panel truck. |
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Post by RWB on Jul 7, 2020 23:36:33 GMT
Oh, I like your analogy, but, you forgot to mention the Confederate flag in the back window of the Chevy... Greg no that's in the FORD trucks |
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Post by william on Jul 8, 2020 9:15:45 GMT
In Alabama everyone had gun racks mounted at the back window back before extended cabs with storage space. They were only used for guns when going hunting, the rest of the time it was for an umbrella, or something else that didn't fit on the seat.
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Post by petep on Jul 8, 2020 16:25:37 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
Freon
Great strawman...isn't the idea of being an american innovation and progress? Just because someone restores an old car, doesn't mean they may have a house and other cars that are very modern...maybe its a hobby.. I like the idea of living in a place where I can leave my doors unlocked, where people are proud of protecting their reputations...many will say those days are gone, stop being old fashioned...I've seen people say that here...really...I need to accept crime... what does that say...progress = crime & irresponsibility? |
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Post by freonbale on Jul 8, 2020 16:31:56 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
Freon
Great strawman...isn't the idea of being an american innovation and progress? Just because someone restores an old car, doesn't mean they may have a house and other cars that are very modern...maybe its a hobby.. I like the idea of living in a place where I can leave my doors unlocked, where people are proud of protecting their reputations...many will say those days are gone, stop being old fashioned...I've seen people say that here...really...I need to accept crime... what does that say...progress = crime & irresponsibility? 'Isn't the idea of being an American innovation and progress?'
That is an opinion or an ideal.
I don't think it is uniformly 'American'. About the only thing we all agree on is that we are all entitled to our opinions.
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Post by petep on Jul 8, 2020 16:38:58 GMT
more than one place can take pride in being innovative...
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