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Post by freonbale on Jul 8, 2020 22:34:59 GMT
more than one place can take pride in being innovative... I'm going to call BS on this, especially from you.
By definition, a conservative is someone who dislikes change. Yet innovation is an embrace of change. It is an acknowledgement that how things are can be made better through change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 22:40:48 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
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Great strawman...isn't the idea of being an american innovation and progress? Just because someone restores an old car, doesn't mean they may have a house and other cars that are very modern...maybe its a hobby.. I like the idea of living in a place where I can leave my doors unlocked, where people are proud of protecting their reputations...many will say those days are gone, stop being old fashioned...I've seen people say that here...really...I need to accept crime... what does that say...progress = crime & irresponsibility? Speaking of straw arguments, if you're not quoting someone specific, isn't this whole "progress = crime" rebuttal a straw argument? |
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Post by petep on Jul 8, 2020 23:51:03 GMT
more than one place can take pride in being innovative... I'm going to call BS on this, especially from you.
By definition, a conservative is someone who dislikes change. Yet innovation is an embrace of change. It is an acknowledgement that how things are can be made better through change.
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there is good change and bad change...wouldn't you agree...as denzel washington states, in the 1960's, 80% of black kids were in two parent families...now 80% are in single parent families...is that progress? Is that good change? Is that trend a progressive positive trend...he classifies that as a very negative trend, placing much of the blame within the black community on the breakdown of family. There have been many innovations - say in chemical pesticide mgt - that were later puled back off the market to major harmful effects. oops... of course there has been great, positive innovation... but change for the sake of change, to claim innovation is foolish...positive change is good. I love san francisco...and n cal in general...but shit all over the streets and needles everywhere is not very progressive and ideal and I find it disgusting...so I guess that makes me uncool and old fashioned... |
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Post by freonbale on Jul 9, 2020 3:02:25 GMT
I'm going to call BS on this, especially from you.
By definition, a conservative is someone who dislikes change. Yet innovation is an embrace of change. It is an acknowledgement that how things are can be made better through change.
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there is good change and bad change...wouldn't you agree...as denzel washington states, in the 1960's, 80% of black kids were in two parent families...now 80% are in single parent families...is that progress? Is that good change? Is that trend a progressive positive trend...he classifies that as a very negative trend, placing much of the blame within the black community on the breakdown of family. There have been many innovations - say in chemical pesticide mgt - that were later puled back off the market to major harmful effects. oops... of course there has been great, positive innovation... but change for the sake of change, to claim innovation is foolish...positive change is good. I love san francisco...and n cal in general...but shit all over the streets and needles everywhere is not very progressive and ideal and I find it disgusting...so I guess that makes me uncool and old fashioned... Sure, sure, good change is good, bad change is bad.
Who decides which is which? You?
That's where your argument falls apart.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 17:49:25 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
Freon
Let's talk a little about this Cyber truck, shall we?
Does it identify as a truck or will we be forced to call it a subcompact if it wishes to believe that it was born as any number of different chassis?
Does it have huge spinning rims with a bumper sticker that says "Black Chassis Matter"? And if you dare to declare, "All Chassis Matter", I'm guessing that Cyber Truck is allowed to run you over.
Does this identity challenged little truck realize that fossil fuels are being consumed so that it can plug in?
Does Cyber Twerk...uh Truck.... welcome those overloaded smoking beaters streaming illegally across our Southern border?
Is Cyber Truck allowed to just run wild, destroying property after the slightest affront to its styling or any mention of the Chevy "heritage"?
If the old Chevy revs its engine, does Cyber Truck immediately demand its registration be pulled for daring to disagree with the New Truck Order?
If a Cyber truck is unwanted during assembly, it's subject to being cut into pieces and thrown in the garbage even though it never stopped being a Cyber Truck, right?
Has anyone thought that a truck like the "old Chevy" that's lasted 250 years and spawned many copycats must have been so well designed that a replacement is not needed?
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Post by freonbale on Jul 9, 2020 19:50:13 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
Freon
Let's talk a little about this Cyber truck, shall we?
Does it identify as a truck or will we be forced to call it a subcompact if it wishes to believe that it was born as any number of different chassis?
Does it have huge spinning rims with a bumper sticker that says "Black Chassis Matter"? And if you dare to declare, "All Chassis Matter", I'm guessing that Cyber Truck is allowed to run you over.
Does this identity challenged little truck realize that fossil fuels are being consumed so that it can plug in?
Does Cyber Twerk...uh Truck.... welcome those overloaded smoking beaters streaming illegally across our Southern border?
Is Cyber Truck allowed to just run wild, destroying property after the slightest affront to its styling or any mention of the Chevy "heritage"?
If the old Chevy revs its engine, does Cyber Truck immediately demand its registration be pulled for daring to disagree with the New Truck Order?
If a Cyber truck is unwanted during assembly, it's subject to being cut into pieces and thrown in the garbage even though it never stopped being a Cyber Truck, right?
Has anyone thought that a truck like the "old Chevy" that's lasted 250 years and spawned many copycats must have been so well designed that a replacement is not needed?
You can call it whatever you want. A label implies it fits in only one category, which very few vehicles these days do.
Don't understand the rim reference at all, but anyone can drive the Cybertruck, whether they feel black lives matter or not.
Yes, the owners of Cybertrucks realize that fossil fuels, in part, produce electricity, but by being an electric vehicle that is also a utility vehicle, it sends a message to the power companies to become more green. A Cybertruck is a vote.
Cybertruck must adhere to all the regular rules of the road, but likely it will get preferential treatment in the carpool lane, and likely it will be more appreciated because of its lack of noise. This is opposed to the Chevy, that often intentionally is made to produce as much noise as possible as a feature.
The Cybertruck is a vote for living in harmony with our planet. If you disagree that we should do so, you don't have to buy one, but in the long run, you will eventually go electric too.
What?
We've only had Chevy trucks for about 100 years, so no idea where you're 250 came from. Incidentally, the Chevy truck was itself a copy of earlier designs, so even they realized that a better solution to a common problem should always be sought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 20:26:15 GMT
We've only had Chevy trucks for about 100 years, so no idea where you're 250 came from. Incidentally, the Chevy truck was itself a copy of earlier designs, so even they realized that a better solution to a common problem should always be sought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 20:52:39 GMT
We've only had Chevy trucks for about 100 years, so no idea where you're 250 came from. Incidentally, the Chevy truck was itself a copy of earlier designs, so even they realized that a better solution to a common problem should always be sought.
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He's referring to your metaphor, is he not? That is, the Chevy = the USA?
Yep. FREON BALE in OP: "They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine."
Someone that uses an allegorical tale to make a point is probably wise to keep up with the various equivalencies that he/she/it has made. As well as understanding my satirical sequel tying the truck of the future to various leftist causes and dogma that make that "vehicle" of progress far less appealing.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 9, 2020 22:26:53 GMT
We've only had Chevy trucks for about 100 years, so no idea where you're 250 came from. Incidentally, the Chevy truck was itself a copy of earlier designs, so even they realized that a better solution to a common problem should always be sought.
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He's referring to your metaphor, is he not? That is, the Chevy = the USA? The Chevy is conservatives.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 9, 2020 22:27:41 GMT
He's referring to your metaphor, is he not? That is, the Chevy = the USA?
Yep. FREON BALE in OP: "They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine."
Someone that uses an allegorical tale to make a point is probably wise to keep up with the various equivalencies that he/she/it has made. As well as understanding my satirical sequel tying the truck of the future to various leftist causes and dogma that make that "vehicle" of progress far less appealing.
Ahh, my own bad. You got me. Doesn't make your point any stronger, but I concede I erred. Am I not human?
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 9, 2020 22:52:49 GMT
I take issue with the name "Cyber Truck". I find it incongruous at best.
For starters, there is nothing all that brainy about a pickup truck. Their whole reason for being is to be able to haul crap. Secondarily, they may give the driver (male, usually, but not always) some sort of boost to their toxic masculinity.
"Cyber" implies none of that. Whoever thought it up probably also had a hand in its design (which sucks).
Yeah, electric power is probably better for the environment and all that. Just don't try to pass off its applications as something they are not.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 9, 2020 23:01:06 GMT
I take issue with the name "Cyber Truck". I find it incongruous at best.
For starters, there is nothing all that brainy about a pickup truck. Their whole reason for being is to be able to haul crap. Secondarily, they may give the driver (male, usually, but not always) some sort of boost to their toxic masculinity.
"Cyber" implies none of that. Whoever thought it up probably also had a hand in its design (which sucks).
Yeah, electric power is probably better for the environment and all that. Just don't try to pass off its applications as something they are not.
Agree with you there. Stupid name, and stupid looking vehicle, but hey, look what he named his own kid.
Weird stuff.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2020 15:12:29 GMT
For starters, there is nothing all that brainy about a pickup truck. Their whole reason for being is to be able to haul crap. Secondarily, they may give the driver (male, usually, but not always) some sort of boost to their toxic masculinity.
"Cyber" implies none of that. Whoever thought it up probably also had a hand in its design (which sucks).
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Post by crepe05 on Jul 10, 2020 16:04:03 GMT
OK, I'm putting my 2 cents worth into this discussion regarding vehicles with wheels. Safety is my main concern. Seven years ago I was happily driving my Dodge Caravan. We bought it because it seemed like a good idea. I loved driving it. We could seat a lot of kids/parents in it and everyone had a seatbelt. Unfortunately, at that point in my life, I didnd't realize the importance of having a front end to a car. Had a head-on collision (not my fault), spent 26 days in the hospital, 7 surgeries, lots of wound therapy, and evidently in a lot of pain. mr crepe said the pain meds made me weird, and I didn't ask what I did that was weird. Sometimes it's best not to know.
There are a lot of reasons to buy a particular vehicle. After the accident I told mr crepe I wanted a vehicle with a large front end. He researched safety in front end collisions and discovered the vehicle I've been driving ever since. Safety is my main concern for any moving vehicle. I suggest that you all start considering it, too, if you don't already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 16:13:23 GMT
For starters, there is nothing all that brainy about a pickup truck. Their whole reason for being is to be able to haul crap. Secondarily, they may give the driver (male, usually, but not always) some sort of boost to their toxic masculinity.
"Cyber" implies none of that. Whoever thought it up probably also had a hand in its design (which sucks).
"Cyber" doesn't imply "brainy." It refers to the augmentation of a human being with artificial parts. It’s not really that specific, otherwise “cyber security” and “cyber crime” would have different connotations. I think you might be thinking of “cyborg” which is a combination of “cyber” (computer tech) and “organism.” If it were though, would that make Mater an example of a cyber truck? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2020 16:21:00 GMT
It’s not really that specific, otherwise “cyber security” and “cyber crime” would have different connotations. I think you might be thinking of “cyborg” which is a combination of “cyber” (computer tech) and “organism.” If it were though, would that make Mater an example of a cyber truck? Oh, that's true. The word has morphed over time. From Merriam-Webster: "...of, relating to, or involving computers or computer networks (such as the Internet)." I believe "cybernetic" was the origin. "Cyborg" was a contraction of "cybernetic organism." Still not "brainy." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 16:26:31 GMT
It’s not really that specific, otherwise “cyber security” and “cyber crime” would have different connotations. I think you might be thinking of “cyborg” which is a combination of “cyber” (computer tech) and “organism.” If it were though, would that make Mater an example of a cyber truck? Oh, that's true. The word has morphed over time. From Merriam-Webster: "...of, relating to, or involving computers or computer networks (such as the Internet)." I believe "cybernetic" was the origin. "Cyborg" was a contraction of "cybernetic organism." Still not "brainy." Commander Data judges you.  |
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Post by william on Jul 10, 2020 17:10:49 GMT
It seems obvious that our country is at a cross-roads, and it got me thinking of what the Trumpers are trying to protect.
They see our country, and its barely 250 years of existence, as an old beloved Chevy pickup truck that runs just fine. It's not as shiny at it used to be, but its gun rack still hold guns, it's cargo bed is dented, but still totally functional, and unlike these new-fangled cars, the engine can be completely worked on and maintained by a little know-how, elbow grease, and a few tools. Yeah it runs on fossil fuels, and yeah those are bad for the environment, but hey, it does the job, and it was fine for the generation who bought it, it should be fine for now. It is a symbol of hard work and endurance.
Whereas us progressives see the Tesla Cybertruck, and realize that the future is electric. We appreciate the past, but don't want to live in it, because the reality is that old way was not the best way, just the only way possible at the time. We see a world where not only is the technology behind the vehicle replaced, but also the driver's themselves. We are looking towards the future of transportation and realizing that the car is no longer symbolic of one's values, but simply a means of transportation that makes us all equal. When an app on my phone can have a vehicle of any type pull up to my house autonomously, and drive me wherever I want, the idea of car ownership suddenly does not make sense. We know it's coming, and we know you are going to hate it, but progress will happen whether you want it or not.
I think we understand where you are coming from, and we appreciate the IDEA of the old ways being symbolic of what it means to be an American, but times change, and it is time you change with it.
Freon
Let's talk a little about this Cyber truck, shall we?
Does it identify as a truck or will we be forced to call it a subcompact if it wishes to believe that it was born as any number of different chassis?
Does it have huge spinning rims with a bumper sticker that says "Black Chassis Matter"? And if you dare to declare, "All Chassis Matter", I'm guessing that Cyber Truck is allowed to run you over.
Does this identity challenged little truck realize that fossil fuels are being consumed so that it can plug in?
Does Cyber Twerk...uh Truck.... welcome those overloaded smoking beaters streaming illegally across our Southern border?
Is Cyber Truck allowed to just run wild, destroying property after the slightest affront to its styling or any mention of the Chevy "heritage"?
If the old Chevy revs its engine, does Cyber Truck immediately demand its registration be pulled for daring to disagree with the New Truck Order?
If a Cyber truck is unwanted during assembly, it's subject to being cut into pieces and thrown in the garbage even though it never stopped being a Cyber Truck, right?
Has anyone thought that a truck like the "old Chevy" that's lasted 250 years and spawned many copycats must have been so well designed that a replacement is not needed?
Boy that was dumb. Comparing the Cybertruck to the Silverado crew cab The question asked was, "will we be forced to call it a subcompac?" Oh my God, it damn sure is a subcompact, it's 10 inches shorter in length and an inch in height. Can't be a truck. True, they have a very different look, but that because the steel is so much harder than the dented up tin-can chevy that the stamping machines can't create those silly looking RAM truck muscles. More comparisons Weight - Cybertruck is 6,000 lbs Chevy is 1,000 less Towing - Cybertruck tows 14,000 lbs Sorry again, chevy only tows 13,000 Payload - Cybertruck checks in at 3,500 lbs. Chevy at 2,640 lbs Ground clearance - Cybertruck at 16 inches While a lousy - 11 inches for the big. Trail Boss And my favorite in my Model 3 and soon in my Cybertruck 0 to 60 is 2.9 seconds in a Cybertruck and twice that in a chevy I love these electric cars. I never imagined they would be so much fun to drive. Once you do, you probably won't be able to go back. Updates are cool too, alway nice to get in the car in the morning and having it inform me that I have 10% more power or 5% more range. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 17:36:54 GMT
I take issue with the name "Cyber Truck". I find it incongruous at best.
For starters, there is nothing all that brainy about a pickup truck. Their whole reason for being is to be able to haul crap. Secondarily, they may give the driver (male, usually, but not always) some sort of boost to their toxic masculinity.
"Cyber" implies none of that. Whoever thought it up probably also had a hand in its design (which sucks).
Yeah, electric power is probably better for the environment and all that. Just don't try to pass off its applications as something they are not.
Agree with you there. Stupid name, and stupid looking vehicle, but hey, look what he named his own kid.
Weird stuff.
Freon
So your metaphor for the progressive future has a stupid name and is stupid looking? If so, that's the most accurate metaphor for liberals that I've ever seen. |
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