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Post by Fiddler on Nov 19, 2024 19:32:56 GMT
President-elect Donald Trump's deportation plan is causing widespread "panic" among farmers at risk of losing staff and business.
Jennifer Tilton Flood, a dairy farmer from Maine, called the potential mass deportations a "catastrophic nightmare" for the U.S. agricultural industry, particularly the dairy sector, which relies heavily on immigrant labor.
"The idea of mass deportations is frightening and scary, just on a humane level, with regards to our community," Flood, of Flood Brothers Farm, told Newsweek in a press call.
"Mass deportations could affect our entire dairy industry throughout the U.S."
"Speaking on behalf of farms like mine that are within the control of Customs and Border Protection due to our proximity to an international border, without due diligence there is a great chance for families to be broken apart. A lot of my team are raising Americans at home, and so it's tough. There is a lot of concern and there's a lot of panic."
Mass deportations could cost the U.S. a staggering $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council.
The long-term cost of deporting 1 million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.
Sam Sanchez, owner of Third Coast Hospitality and a board member of the National Restaurant Association, told Newsweek on the call, "If these workers are deported, restaurants will close, leading to massive losses in revenue and a significant downturn in the economy."
Experts previously warned that if Trump's proposed mass deportation plan is implemented, it could slash the U.S. agricultural labor force by nearly half, posing a serious threat to the dairy industry and other farming sectors.
Currently, undocumented immigrants make up close to 45 percent of agricultural workers in the U.S.—approximately 950,000 out of an estimated 2.2 million farm laborers. This plan could disrupt essential farm operations, creating significant challenges for American farmers who rely heavily on this workforce.
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Post by queshank on Nov 19, 2024 19:35:19 GMT
President-elect Donald Trump's deportation plan is causing widespread "panic" among farmers at risk of losing staff and business.
Jennifer Tilton Flood, a dairy farmer from Maine, called the potential mass deportations a "catastrophic nightmare" for the U.S. agricultural industry, particularly the dairy sector, which relies heavily on immigrant labor.
"The idea of mass deportations is frightening and scary, just on a humane level, with regards to our community," Flood, of Flood Brothers Farm, told Newsweek in a press call.
"Mass deportations could affect our entire dairy industry throughout the U.S."
"Speaking on behalf of farms like mine that are within the control of Customs and Border Protection due to our proximity to an international border, without due diligence there is a great chance for families to be broken apart. A lot of my team are raising Americans at home, and so it's tough. There is a lot of concern and there's a lot of panic."
Mass deportations could cost the U.S. a staggering $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council.
The long-term cost of deporting 1 million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.
Sam Sanchez, owner of Third Coast Hospitality and a board member of the National Restaurant Association, told Newsweek on the call, "If these workers are deported, restaurants will close, leading to massive losses in revenue and a significant downturn in the economy."
Experts previously warned that if Trump's proposed mass deportation plan is implemented, it could slash the U.S. agricultural labor force by nearly half, posing a serious threat to the dairy industry and other farming sectors.
Currently, undocumented immigrants make up close to 45 percent of agricultural workers in the U.S.—approximately 950,000 out of an estimated 2.2 million farm laborers. This plan could disrupt essential farm operations, creating significant challenges for American farmers who rely heavily on this workforce.
Farmers should *definitely* be allowed to use slave labor!
Especially the huge corporations that run small family farms out of business and are the ones that use slave labor to do it!
/Fiddler
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Post by petep on Nov 19, 2024 19:50:23 GMT
President-elect Donald Trump's deportation plan is causing widespread "panic" among farmers at risk of losing staff and business.
Jennifer Tilton Flood, a dairy farmer from Maine, called the potential mass deportations a "catastrophic nightmare" for the U.S. agricultural industry, particularly the dairy sector, which relies heavily on immigrant labor.
"The idea of mass deportations is frightening and scary, just on a humane level, with regards to our community," Flood, of Flood Brothers Farm, told Newsweek in a press call.
"Mass deportations could affect our entire dairy industry throughout the U.S."
"Speaking on behalf of farms like mine that are within the control of Customs and Border Protection due to our proximity to an international border, without due diligence there is a great chance for families to be broken apart. A lot of my team are raising Americans at home, and so it's tough. There is a lot of concern and there's a lot of panic."
Mass deportations could cost the U.S. a staggering $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council.
The long-term cost of deporting 1 million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.
Sam Sanchez, owner of Third Coast Hospitality and a board member of the National Restaurant Association, told Newsweek on the call, "If these workers are deported, restaurants will close, leading to massive losses in revenue and a significant downturn in the economy."
Experts previously warned that if Trump's proposed mass deportation plan is implemented, it could slash the U.S. agricultural labor force by nearly half, posing a serious threat to the dairy industry and other farming sectors.
Currently, undocumented immigrants make up close to 45 percent of agricultural workers in the U.S.—approximately 950,000 out of an estimated 2.2 million farm laborers. This plan could disrupt essential farm operations, creating significant challenges for American farmers who rely heavily on this workforce.
I can assure you the farmers who follow all the legal processes to hire h-2a workers have been clamoring for years to make all farms there to the same rules. If those farms hiring illegals workers are upset too bad It’s like a mayor saying we are going to clamp down on those stealing. And fids posting thieves are upset and this will cause them harm |
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Post by thor on Nov 19, 2024 22:29:48 GMT
President-elect Donald Trump's deportation plan is causing widespread "panic" among farmers at risk of losing staff and business.
Jennifer Tilton Flood, a dairy farmer from Maine, called the potential mass deportations a "catastrophic nightmare" for the U.S. agricultural industry, particularly the dairy sector, which relies heavily on immigrant labor.
"The idea of mass deportations is frightening and scary, just on a humane level, with regards to our community," Flood, of Flood Brothers Farm, told Newsweek in a press call.
"Mass deportations could affect our entire dairy industry throughout the U.S."
"Speaking on behalf of farms like mine that are within the control of Customs and Border Protection due to our proximity to an international border, without due diligence there is a great chance for families to be broken apart. A lot of my team are raising Americans at home, and so it's tough. There is a lot of concern and there's a lot of panic."
Mass deportations could cost the U.S. a staggering $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council.
The long-term cost of deporting 1 million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.
Sam Sanchez, owner of Third Coast Hospitality and a board member of the National Restaurant Association, told Newsweek on the call, "If these workers are deported, restaurants will close, leading to massive losses in revenue and a significant downturn in the economy."
Experts previously warned that if Trump's proposed mass deportation plan is implemented, it could slash the U.S. agricultural labor force by nearly half, posing a serious threat to the dairy industry and other farming sectors.
Currently, undocumented immigrants make up close to 45 percent of agricultural workers in the U.S.—approximately 950,000 out of an estimated 2.2 million farm laborers. This plan could disrupt essential farm operations, creating significant challenges for American farmers who rely heavily on this workforce.
Farmers should *definitely* be allowed to use slave labor!
Especially the huge corporations that run small family farms out of business and are the ones that use slave labor to do it!
/Fiddler
Queshank
Those family farms you feign concern about have been getting crushed since the 1970s......by BigAg. And you didn't care then, nor do you care now. Because the price of eggs and stuff. Interestingly, there is some stuff in P2025 dealing with curtailing Ag subsidies. All those 'family farmers' just cut their own throats - one of the greatest Self-Owns in American history. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 19, 2024 22:33:35 GMT
Farmers should *definitely* be allowed to use slave labor!
Especially the huge corporations that run small family farms out of business and are the ones that use slave labor to do it!
/Fiddler
Queshank
Those family farms you feign concern about have been getting crushed since the 1970s......by BigAg. And you didn't care then, nor do you care now. Because the price of eggs and stuff. Interestingly, there is some stuff in P2025 dealing with curtailing Ag subsidies. All those 'family farmers' just cut their own throats - one of the greatest Self-Owns in American history.
lol
That's funny considering my background as managing partner of a cpa firm that dealt extensively with farmers, with a focus on smaller family farms. (Our big clients were so called professionals like small medical clinics. And just as dumb.)
You wanna know who benefits the most from "ag subsidies?"
Huge farming corporations. It insulates them from losses and helps them keep their monopolistic position. Imagine if they experienced losses and had to sell off land to make tax and loan payments ... like small family farmers.
You're welcome for the brief education.
EDIT: Cuz I know you have your head too far up your ass to take any of my ... consistently proven correct ... posts under advisement.
A recent pair of reports from the Economic Research Service (ERS) confirms that federal subsidies to farms are increasingly going to larger and larger farms, thus supporting the cycle of the big getting bigger. Fewer and bigger farms mean less money circulating in local economies, fewer farm jobs in rural areas, and fewer opportunities for beginning and young farmers to get into the business.
It's been really great watching huge farm corps import cheap unskilled (desperate) immigrant labor to replace the locals. Sometime I should make a post about Agtegra's takeover of smaller grain elevators in the region.
BTW if you want real understanding into "MAGA" ... dig into referred law 21 that was overwhelming shot down here in SD. And the way it was misleading presented to (and pissed off) the local communities.
I know you won't beyond the left wing talking points about carbon pipelines omgzers!
Because you're really concerned about small family farms.
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Post by thor on Nov 19, 2024 22:47:28 GMT
Those family farms you feign concern about have been getting crushed since the 1970s......by BigAg. And you didn't care then, nor do you care now. Because the price of eggs and stuff. Interestingly, there is some stuff in P2025 dealing with curtailing Ag subsidies. All those 'family farmers' just cut their own throats - one of the greatest Self-Owns in American history.
lol
That's funny considering my background as managing partner of a cpa firm that dealt extensively with farmers, with a focus on smaller family farms. (Our big clients were so called professionals like small medical clinics. And just as dumb.)
You wanna know who benefits the most from "ag subsidies?"
Huge farming corporations. It insulates them from losses and helps them keep their monopolistic position. Imagine if they experienced losses and had to sell off land to make tax and loan payments ... like small family farmers.
You're welcome for the brief education.
EDIT: Cuz I know you have your head too far up your ass to take any of my ... consistently proven correct ... posts under advisement.
A recent pair of reports from the Economic Research Service (ERS) confirms that federal subsidies to farms are increasingly going to larger and larger farms, thus supporting the cycle of the big getting bigger. Fewer and bigger farms mean less money circulating in local economies, fewer farm jobs in rural areas, and fewer opportunities for beginning and young farmers to get into the business.
It's been really great watching huge farm corps import cheap unskilled (desperate) immigrant labor to replace the locals. Sometime I should make a post about Agtegra's takeover of smaller grain elevators in the region.
BTW if you want real understanding into "MAGA" ... dig into referred law 21 that was overwhelming shot down here in SD. And the way it was misleading presented to (and pissed off) the local communities.
I know you won't beyond the left wing talking points about carbon pipelines omgzers!
Because you're really concerned about small family farms.
Queshank
LOLZ! Poor, dumb Que-Anon. Not only a self-serving bullshit story this time, but an article that doesn't refute the point. |
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Post by atreyu on Nov 20, 2024 0:37:47 GMT
Seems the common thread here to "fuck around and find out" is that the things Trumpers pretended was a big deal like inflation was just a bunch of bullshit.
Shocker.
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Post by limey² on Nov 20, 2024 18:04:55 GMT
President-elect Donald Trump's deportation plan is causing widespread "panic" among farmers at risk of losing staff and business.
Jennifer Tilton Flood, a dairy farmer from Maine, called the potential mass deportations a "catastrophic nightmare" for the U.S. agricultural industry, particularly the dairy sector, which relies heavily on immigrant labor.
"The idea of mass deportations is frightening and scary, just on a humane level, with regards to our community," Flood, of Flood Brothers Farm, told Newsweek in a press call.
"Mass deportations could affect our entire dairy industry throughout the U.S."
"Speaking on behalf of farms like mine that are within the control of Customs and Border Protection due to our proximity to an international border, without due diligence there is a great chance for families to be broken apart. A lot of my team are raising Americans at home, and so it's tough. There is a lot of concern and there's a lot of panic."
Mass deportations could cost the U.S. a staggering $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council.
The long-term cost of deporting 1 million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.
Sam Sanchez, owner of Third Coast Hospitality and a board member of the National Restaurant Association, told Newsweek on the call, "If these workers are deported, restaurants will close, leading to massive losses in revenue and a significant downturn in the economy."
Experts previously warned that if Trump's proposed mass deportation plan is implemented, it could slash the U.S. agricultural labor force by nearly half, posing a serious threat to the dairy industry and other farming sectors.
Currently, undocumented immigrants make up close to 45 percent of agricultural workers in the U.S.—approximately 950,000 out of an estimated 2.2 million farm laborers. This plan could disrupt essential farm operations, creating significant challenges for American farmers who rely heavily on this workforce.
I can assure you the farmers who follow all the legal processes to hire h-2a workers have been clamoring for years to make all farms there to the same rules. If those farms hiring illegals workers are upset too bad It’s like a mayor saying we are going to clamp down on those stealing. And fids posting thieves are upset and this will cause them harm Jail CEOs & fine shareholders where companies use illegals. Problem solved. |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 20, 2024 18:10:31 GMT
President-elect Donald Trump's deportation plan is causing widespread "panic" among farmers at risk of losing staff and business.
Jennifer Tilton Flood, a dairy farmer from Maine, called the potential mass deportations a "catastrophic nightmare" for the U.S. agricultural industry, particularly the dairy sector, which relies heavily on immigrant labor.
"The idea of mass deportations is frightening and scary, just on a humane level, with regards to our community," Flood, of Flood Brothers Farm, told Newsweek in a press call.
"Mass deportations could affect our entire dairy industry throughout the U.S."
"Speaking on behalf of farms like mine that are within the control of Customs and Border Protection due to our proximity to an international border, without due diligence there is a great chance for families to be broken apart. A lot of my team are raising Americans at home, and so it's tough. There is a lot of concern and there's a lot of panic."
Mass deportations could cost the U.S. a staggering $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council.
The long-term cost of deporting 1 million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.
Sam Sanchez, owner of Third Coast Hospitality and a board member of the National Restaurant Association, told Newsweek on the call, "If these workers are deported, restaurants will close, leading to massive losses in revenue and a significant downturn in the economy."
Experts previously warned that if Trump's proposed mass deportation plan is implemented, it could slash the U.S. agricultural labor force by nearly half, posing a serious threat to the dairy industry and other farming sectors.
Currently, undocumented immigrants make up close to 45 percent of agricultural workers in the U.S.—approximately 950,000 out of an estimated 2.2 million farm laborers. This plan could disrupt essential farm operations, creating significant challenges for American farmers who rely heavily on this workforce.
Farmers should *definitely* be allowed to use slave labor!
Especially the huge corporations that run small family farms out of business and are the ones that use slave labor to do it!
/Fiddler
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Slaves are not willing, and are not paid. Immigrant laborers are, and are. Your comparison is silly. Freon |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 18:40:51 GMT
Seems the common thread here to "fuck around and find out" is that the things Trumpers pretended was a big deal like inflation was just a bunch of bullshit. Shocker. Aren't you the guy that's going to buy a cheap IPAD in response to Orange Hitler taking over? |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 18:47:06 GMT
It's fascinating watching the left defending the use of black market labor where the laborers are lacking any legal protections and are illegally being underpaid.
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Post by thor on Nov 20, 2024 19:17:17 GMT
I can assure you the farmers who follow all the legal processes to hire h-2a workers have been clamoring for years to make all farms there to the same rules. If those farms hiring illegals workers are upset too bad It’s like a mayor saying we are going to clamp down on those stealing. And fids posting thieves are upset and this will cause them harm Jail CEOs & fine shareholders where companies use illegals. Problem solved. And jail the people who donate to political campaigns?  Good luck.  |
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Post by petep on Nov 20, 2024 19:21:22 GMT
I can assure you the farmers who follow all the legal processes to hire h-2a workers have been clamoring for years to make all farms there to the same rules. If those farms hiring illegals workers are upset too bad It’s like a mayor saying we are going to clamp down on those stealing. And fids posting thieves are upset and this will cause them harm Jail CEOs & fine shareholders where companies use illegals. Problem solved. Well… They do jail those who hire illegals in conservative parts of the country. Cities and town police will cooperate with ice. In many democrat cities the local authorities are told not to report or release illegals to ice. These are our self labeled sanctuary cities It goes so far as when federal agents are planning to round up known illegals who have committed felonies the mayors of sanctuary cities - who must be notified of federal raids in a city - will send out an alert to the illegals to let them know a raid is about to happen. But as I say in conservative towns there is cooperation www.justice.gov/usao-me/pr/mexican-restaurant-owners-plead-guilty-hiring-undocumented-aliens-and-false-statements |
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Post by Fiddler on Nov 20, 2024 19:22:12 GMT
It's fascinating watching the left defending the use of black market labor where the laborers are lacking any legal protections and are illegally being underpaid. Pointing out MAGA hypocrisy isn't 'defending' anything. Still.. that was a nice faceplant you did.. |
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Post by petep on Nov 20, 2024 19:24:27 GMT
Jail CEOs & fine shareholders where companies use illegals. Problem solved. Well… They do jail those who hire illegals in conservative parts of the country. Cities and town police will cooperate with ice. In many democrat cities the local authorities are told not to report or release illegals to ice. These are our self labeled sanctuary cities It goes so far as when federal agents are planning to round up known illegals who have committed felonies the mayors of sanctuary cities - who must be notified of federal raids in a city - will send out an alert to the illegals to let them know a raid is about to happen. But as I say in conservative towns there is cooperation www.justice.gov/usao-me/pr/mexican-restaurant-owners-plead-guilty-hiring-undocumented-aliens-and-false-statementsThis particular town is in the center of Maine. You can see how Maine votes here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Maine |
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Post by thor on Nov 20, 2024 19:28:29 GMT
It's fascinating watching the left defending the use of black market labor where the laborers are lacking any legal protections and are illegally being underpaid. Pointing out MAGA hypocrisy isn't 'defending' anything. Still.. that was a nice faceplant you did.. The MAGA tears will be epic when the prices of produce increase..... |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 20:02:31 GMT
It's fascinating watching the left defending the use of black market labor where the laborers are lacking any legal protections and are illegally being underpaid. Pointing out MAGA hypocrisy isn't 'defending' anything. Still.. that was a nice faceplant you did.. Oh my. You actually believe you are highlighting MAGA hypocrisy instead of your own. Teeheehee. Captain Faceplant thuds again. |
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Post by Fiddler on Nov 20, 2024 20:07:59 GMT
Pointing out MAGA hypocrisy isn't 'defending' anything. Still.. that was a nice faceplant you did.. You actually believe you are highlighting MAGA hypocrisy instead of your own Obviously.. No one has done more to shield employers from the consequences of hiring undocumented laborers than Republicans .. It's not even a serious question ..
Cheap labor has been their goal forever ..
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 20:18:57 GMT
You actually believe you are highlighting MAGA hypocrisy instead of your own Obviously.. No one has done more to shield employers from the consequences of hiring undocumented laborers than Republicans .. It's not even a serious question ..
Cheap labor has been their goal forever ..
As you defend the illegal use of cheap black market labor because according to massive corporate farms it will be too costly. You are making the same economic argument that the slaveholders did in the run up to the civil war and don't even realize it. Trump broke you. He truly has. |
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Post by petep on Nov 20, 2024 20:29:33 GMT
Obviously.. No one has done more to shield employers from the consequences of hiring undocumented laborers than Republicans .. It's not even a serious question ..
Cheap labor has been their goal forever ..
As you defend the illegal use of cheap black market labor because according to massive corporate farms it will be too costly. You are making the same economic argument that the slaveholders did in the run up to the civil war and don't even realize it. Trump broke you. He truly has. These are the same morons who keep promoting and supporting sanctuary cities. |
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