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Post by atreyu on Nov 18, 2024 18:13:08 GMT
Every time deportation has came up in our country and others I'm sure. Completely legal citizens get expelled or locked up in internment camps in our country.
Does the Trump contingent expect this won't happen in this case? What papers are they preparing to help prevent this from happening to them?
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Post by Monster Man on Nov 18, 2024 20:07:44 GMT
What are you talking about?
We are constantly deporting people. What is this every time deportation has come up that has resulted in citizens being expelled or locked up in internment camps?
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 18, 2024 21:16:29 GMT
What are you talking about? We are constantly deporting people. What is this every time deportation has come up that has resulted in citizens being expelled or locked up in internment camps? He's talking about mass-deportation, twit! |
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Post by Monster Man on Nov 18, 2024 21:29:08 GMT
What are you talking about? We are constantly deporting people. What is this every time deportation has come up that has resulted in citizens being expelled or locked up in internment camps? He's talking about mass-deportation, twit! Define mass-deportation. |
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Post by demos on Nov 18, 2024 21:33:54 GMT
Every time deportation has came up in our country and others I'm sure. Completely legal citizens get expelled or locked up in internment camps in our country.
Does the Trump contingent expect this won't happen in this case? What papers are they preparing to help prevent this from happening to them?
Depends on how they go about this. From what I have heard reported so far, the first step is to start with criminals, i.e., people currently in jail. Following that, people who have had their asylum claims denied.
If they do that, good chance there won't be a lot of legal citizens expelled. Something could always go wrong (like a no knock warrant at the wrong address), but overall, there's no reason this can't be done efficiently IF they do what they're saying and presuming we haven't lost track of these people.
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Post by thor on Nov 18, 2024 21:50:25 GMT
Every time deportation has came up in our country and others I'm sure. Completely legal citizens get expelled or locked up in internment camps in our country.
Does the Trump contingent expect this won't happen in this case? What papers are they preparing to help prevent this from happening to them?
Depends on how they go about this. From what I have heard reported so far, the first step is to start with criminals, i.e., people currently in jail. Following that, people who have had their asylum claims denied.
If they do that, good chance there won't be a lot of legal citizens expelled. Something could always go wrong (like a no knock warrant at the wrong address), but overall, there's no reason this can't be done efficiently IF they do what they're saying and presuming we haven't lost track of these people.
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Post by demos on Nov 18, 2024 21:59:18 GMT
^ That process already existed; they were just actually using it more than prior administrations.
According to the ACLU: "Now, the administration is attempting to strip citizenship from individuals based upon old removal orders issued when an applicant did not appear, discrepancies in applications, and allegations of crimes that they had not even been charged with at the time of their naturalization." ( Source)
All of that is based in current law; see here.
However, this didn't happen on a massive scale, because they needed funding to do these investigations and prosecutions (see the ACLU again). I suppose we'll see if they actually get funding for that this time. They'll also have to deal with the restrictions placed on them by the Supreme Court in 2017 unless they can get those overturned.
If people don't want Trump to use these legal means to denaturalize people, then they need to change the law or make sure they don't have the resources to do it.
This is also different from the deportations that are currently being discussed.
And as a bonus:
"Last week, the Department of Justice released a new denaturalization policy. Instead of reverting back to the decades-long practice of reserving denaturalization for only the most egregious cases, the policy legitimizes the denaturalization apparatus that the Trump administration builded upon. The policy fully ignores concerns and recommendations that a broad coalition of advocacy organizations has repeated consistently since President Biden stepped into office. Alarmingly, under this policy, broad categories of people will continue to face the threat of their citizenship being taken away." ( Source)
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Post by atreyu on Nov 18, 2024 22:01:00 GMT
What are you talking about? We are constantly deporting people. What is this every time deportation has come up that has resulted in citizens being expelled or locked up in internment camps?
In mass deportations that is the experience that many people alive today have experienced. |
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Post by Monster Man on Nov 18, 2024 22:02:03 GMT
What are you talking about? We are constantly deporting people. What is this every time deportation has come up that has resulted in citizens being expelled or locked up in internment camps?
In mass deportations that is the experience that many people alive today have experienced. Who is this many people alive today you are talking about that were in internment camps because we were deporting illegal immigrants? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 18, 2024 22:24:27 GMT
He's talking about mass-deportation, twit! Define mass-deportation. You can't afford a dictionary? There's several free on the internet, Einstein. |
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Post by RWB on Nov 18, 2024 22:33:02 GMT
Atreyu the Assclown doesn't even have a clue! Both obama and biden deported more people then trump.
Deportation actually went down under Trump. What a dumbass she is 🥱
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Post by atreyu on Nov 18, 2024 22:35:33 GMT
In mass deportations that is the experience that many people alive today have experienced. Who is this many people alive today you are talking about that were in internment camps because we were deporting illegal immigrants?
Where do you think people are going to end up? You've really not thought this through. <shocking>
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Post by atreyu on Nov 18, 2024 22:36:22 GMT
Atreyu the Assclown doesn't even have a clue! Both obama and biden deported more people then trump. Deportation actually went down under Trump. What a dumbass she is 🥱
LOL, I can't believe you said it out loud!!! Yes, Trump was a total failure on this issue, thanks for pointing that out. Excellent work!
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 18, 2024 22:37:43 GMT
Atreyu the Assclown doesn't even have a clue! Both obama and biden deported more people then trump. Deportation actually went down under Trump. What a dumbass she is 🥱
LOL, I can't believe you said it out loud!!! Yes, Trump was a total failure on this issue, thanks for pointing that out. Excellent work!
These guys are so intent on contradicting everything you say that they sometimes don't even realize the meaning of what they're saying. |
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Post by Monster Man on Nov 18, 2024 22:44:52 GMT
Who is this many people alive today you are talking about that were in internment camps because we were deporting illegal immigrants?
Where do you think people are going to end up? You've really not thought this through. <shocking>
Which people? End up where? |
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Post by Monster Man on Nov 18, 2024 22:45:52 GMT
You can't afford a dictionary? There's several free on the internet, Einstein. I understand what it means, you seem ignorant to it already happening. So what is the argument here then? |
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Post by RWB on Nov 18, 2024 22:57:20 GMT
Atreyu the Assclown doesn't even have a clue! Both obama and biden deported more people then trump. Deportation actually went down under Trump. What a dumbass she is 🥱
LOL, I can't believe you said it out loud!!! Yes, Trump was a total failure on this issue, thanks for pointing that out. Excellent work!
no you clueless idiot obama deported Hispanics AND replaced them with his muslim brothers and sisters. |
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Post by thor on Nov 18, 2024 23:35:39 GMT
^ That process already existed; they were just actually using it more than prior administrations.
According to the ACLU: "Now, the administration is attempting to strip citizenship from individuals based upon old removal orders issued when an applicant did not appear, discrepancies in applications, and allegations of crimes that they had not even been charged with at the time of their naturalization." ( Source)
All of that is based in current law; see here.
However, this didn't happen on a massive scale, because they needed funding to do these investigations and prosecutions (see the ACLU again). I suppose we'll see if they actually get funding for that this time. They'll also have to deal with the restrictions placed on them by the Supreme Court in 2017 unless they can get those overturned.
If people don't want Trump to use these legal means to denaturalize people, then they need to change the law or make sure they don't have the resources to do it.
This is also different from the deportations that are currently being discussed.
And as a bonus:
"Last week, the Department of Justice released a new denaturalization policy. Instead of reverting back to the decades-long practice of reserving denaturalization for only the most egregious cases, the policy legitimizes the denaturalization apparatus that the Trump administration builded upon. The policy fully ignores concerns and recommendations that a broad coalition of advocacy organizations has repeated consistently since President Biden stepped into office. Alarmingly, under this policy, broad categories of people will continue to face the threat of their citizenship being taken away." ( Source)
This rarely starts on a 'massive scale'. Apparently you are of the opinion that this makes this kind of thing all better. Both of us know who will be the primary targets of this thing. Are you OK with stripping the citizenship from naturalized citizens? Because I'm not. |
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Post by thor on Nov 18, 2024 23:37:23 GMT
Atreyu the Assclown doesn't even have a clue! Both obama and biden deported more people then trump. Deportation actually went down under Trump. What a dumbass she is 🥱 So why the fuck didn't you vote for Harris, dumbass? Whatcha gonna do when your Masters decide you aren't white enough, Cuck? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 19, 2024 0:06:00 GMT
You can't afford a dictionary? There's several free on the internet, Einstein. I understand what it means, you seem ignorant to it already happening. So what is the argument here then? There's mass-deportation right now? Do you have a link to corroborate or is that just your personal interpretation? |
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