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Post by freonbale on Nov 15, 2024 15:14:12 GMT
But it changed to what we have now.
Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse.
It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from.
And that is what you stupid righties voted for. Because if you do not study history, you are doomed to repeat it.
Get ready for four years of economic hardship.
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Post by Fiddler on Nov 15, 2024 16:25:48 GMT
But it changed to what we have now. Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse. It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from. And that is what you stupid righties voted for. Because if you do not study history, you are doomed to repeat it. Get ready for four years of economic hardship. Freon .. Obviously you put no value on owning the libs ..
Trump voters.. Cultists.. are driven by a sense of revenge and are programmed to actively reject any examination of his claims .. Google searches for "tariffs" skyrocketed the day after the election .. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 16:30:50 GMT
But it changed to what we have now. Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse. It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from. And that is what you stupid righties voted for. Because if you do not study history, you are doomed to repeat it. Get ready for four years of economic hardship. Freon .. Obviously you put no value on owning the libs ..
Trump voters.. Cultists.. are driven by a sense of revenge and are programmed to actively reject any examination of his claims .. Google searches for "tariffs" skyrocketed the day after the election .. You're so dumb you self program yourself rofl
I wonder why searches for tariffs could have skyrocketed?
Perhaps people who had no idea because they voted against Trump and thought it was going to go away were now looking into tariffs?
Watched the same phenomenon play out with Brexit and stupid leftists in America and abroad argue "that means the people of Britain who voted LEAVE were having buyer's remorse!" Couldn't possibly be all the people who thought "no way could it ever happen that Britain would leave the EU" were suddenly playing catchup and seeing what would happen if Britain did, in fact, leave the EU.
And it's an example for why I argue there's been a collapse of intellectualism on the left as the smartest people on the left have gone into tech instead of politics for a few generations now.
Because you have to be pretty stupid to think that makes an argument Fidds.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 15, 2024 16:58:05 GMT
But it changed to what we have now. Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse. It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from. Can you provide support for how corruption, lower quality of goods, and lower standards of living all became more prominent during America’s more tariff heavy economy? From the 1850s through the early to mid 20th century? Standard of living and quality of goods got “WAY worse”? |
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Post by thor on Nov 15, 2024 19:33:36 GMT
But it changed to what we have now. Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse. It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from. Can you provide support for how corruption, lower quality of goods, and lower standards of living all became more prominent during America’s more tariff heavy economy? From the 1850s through the early to mid 20th century? Standard of living and quality of goods got “WAY worse”? Fobbit ignores the Gilded Age. |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 15, 2024 19:53:19 GMT
Can you provide support for how corruption, lower quality of goods, and lower standards of living all became more prominent during America’s more tariff heavy economy? From the 1850s through the early to mid 20th century? Standard of living and quality of goods got “WAY worse”? Fobbit ignores the Gilded Age. The gilded age is included in that time frame you dumb moron. Lol. Holy shit. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 20:04:09 GMT
But it changed to what we have now. Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse. It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from. And that is what you stupid righties voted for. Because if you do not study history, you are doomed to repeat it. Get ready for four years of economic hardship. Freon
Ok first observation on how this guy is misleading people.
Why use a 100% tariff as an example when Trump clearly said 60%? Okay let's say it's for demonstration purposes to make the math easy.
Then why did he list the two prices from the US and from China as being $5. As if the "cheaper goods from China" wasn't the entire selling point to normalizing trade with China in the late 90s?
It's a truism that American goods cost more than foreign imports. This isn't up for debate. It's as close to a fact as we get in modern political discourse.
And the fact that these goods can be more cheaply produced and sold for a higher profit is why Goldman Sachs releases their 1 dimensional "tariffs" talking points that trickle down to leftists thru CNN to promote their wealthy client's interests in investing overseas instead of domestically for greater ROIs.
So he's being disingenuous with a "the goods are $5 and $5, and now they're $10 and $5."
And if he's being disingenuous to set the stage for his argument ... why should I continue to listen?
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 15, 2024 20:07:46 GMT
But it changed to what we have now. Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse. It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from. And that is what you stupid righties voted for. Because if you do not study history, you are doomed to repeat it. Get ready for four years of economic hardship. Freon And Igor is wrong again. Surprise, surprise. Tariffs were the primary means of funding the federal government up until the early 20th century. Standards of living, wages, the quality and diversity of available products, and technology all steadily increased throughout this period. There were hiccups, like the civil war, which ironically was when taxing income was first used.. The advantage of an income tax over tariffs is if you want to be able to fund empire and war. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 20:14:59 GMT
Oh for JFC...
Then he widens the aperture lens to look at cars from Japan. Where Trump has suggested a 20% tariff (as the opening bid of a negotiation ffs you rubes) ...
And he sticks with the 100% tariff example and then says a "Toyota would be very ... let's say Undesirable."
No shit?
This guy's analysis is gonna wind up being bumpkus. Call it my prediction as I wade through this tripe.
This really works on you guys, huh?
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 20:22:00 GMT
Lol and now to set the stage for the arguments *against* tariffs ... he points out that there are no companies in the United States that produce these goods that we buy cheaply at Walmart etc. (Yeah. Cuz we can't compete with slave labor. Duh.)
And here we are ... 100% tariffs again. "So your prices are going to go way up."
Yeah. In your strawman scenario they sure would!
And "XYZ has a monopoly on the entire industry." Um. Because yeah. That's how it works. Only one company in the United States exists for each industry. One car company. One food company. One fast food company. One restaurant.
I can't watch this anymore. It makes people dumber.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 15, 2024 20:57:57 GMT
Can you provide support for how corruption, lower quality of goods, and lower standards of living all became more prominent during America’s more tariff heavy economy? From the 1850s through the early to mid 20th century? Standard of living and quality of goods got “WAY worse”? Fobbit ignores the Gilded Age. Pretend that living standards and quality of goods all got worse from 1850 to the 1930s if you want. I don’t care. Life expectancy increased by almost 20 years in that time. So, again, doesn’t matter to me if you want to believe nonsense. |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 15, 2024 21:06:11 GMT
Well good to know we have so many experts in our forum, lol.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 15, 2024 21:37:41 GMT
.. Obviously you put no value on owning the libs ..
Trump voters.. Cultists.. are driven by a sense of revenge and are programmed to actively reject any examination of his claims .. Google searches for "tariffs" skyrocketed the day after the election .. You're so dumb you self program yourself rofl
I wonder why searches for tariffs could have skyrocketed?
Perhaps people who had no idea because they voted against Trump and thought it was going to go away were now looking into tariffs?
Watched the same phenomenon play out with Brexit and stupid leftists in America and abroad argue "that means the people of Britain who voted LEAVE were having buyer's remorse!" Couldn't possibly be all the people who thought "no way could it ever happen that Britain would leave the EU" were suddenly playing catchup and seeing what would happen if Britain did, in fact, leave the EU.
And it's an example for why I argue there's been a collapse of intellectualism on the left as the smartest people on the left have gone into tech instead of politics for a few generations now.
Because you have to be pretty stupid to think that makes an argument Fidds.
Queshank
Explain why "How to change my vote" skyrocketed at the same time AFTER the election.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 15, 2024 21:39:02 GMT
Lol and now to set the stage for the arguments *against* tariffs ... he points out that there are no companies in the United States that produce these goods that we buy cheaply at Walmart etc. (Yeah. Cuz we can't compete with slave labor. Duh.)
And here we are ... 100% tariffs again. "So your prices are going to go way up."
Yeah. In your strawman scenario they sure would!
And "XYZ has a monopoly on the entire industry." Um. Because yeah. That's how it works. Only one company in the United States exists for each industry. One car company. One food company. One fast food company. One restaurant.
I can't watch this anymore. It makes people dumber.
Queshank
Hey Q, are you as dumb as the average Trumper here and think China pays the tariffs? Just curious.
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Post by demos on Nov 15, 2024 21:48:11 GMT
And he sticks with the 100% tariff example and then says a "Toyota would be very ... let's say Undesirable." Your Toyota is probably built in San Antonio anyway. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 21:55:29 GMT
You're so dumb you self program yourself rofl I wonder why searches for tariffs could have skyrocketed?
Perhaps people who had no idea because they voted against Trump and thought it was going to go away were now looking into tariffs?
Watched the same phenomenon play out with Brexit and stupid leftists in America and abroad argue "that means the people of Britain who voted LEAVE were having buyer's remorse!" Couldn't possibly be all the people who thought "no way could it ever happen that Britain would leave the EU" were suddenly playing catchup and seeing what would happen if Britain did, in fact, leave the EU.
And it's an example for why I argue there's been a collapse of intellectualism on the left as the smartest people on the left have gone into tech instead of politics for a few generations now.
Because you have to be pretty stupid to think that makes an argument Fidds.
Queshank
Explain why "How to change my vote" skyrocketed at the same time AFTER the election. Oof. I keep forgetting, despite your constantly reminding me, that I am dealing with children.
Because it does after every election, sweetheart.
In 2020 the trend started in ... Delaware...
But y'know ... if we ignore how people wanted to change their vote to Donald in 2020 (as is corroborated by 2024's crushing results) ...
It's worth pointing out that in 2024, examples of people wanting to change their vote are in states like Iowa ... in districts that went Kamala.
Iowa generated the highest number of vote-change queries, specifically in Des Moines-Ames and Cedar Rapids-Waterlook-Iowa City and Dubuque areas.
Trump won Iowa by 13 points, up from his 8-point lead in the 2020 election. However, the searches for "how to change my vote" were highest in areas of the state which had a large portion of votes for Vice President Kamala Harris.
I wonder if there's any connection to how sorely you all got punked by Iowa girl powah?
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 21:57:15 GMT
Lol and now to set the stage for the arguments *against* tariffs ... he points out that there are no companies in the United States that produce these goods that we buy cheaply at Walmart etc. (Yeah. Cuz we can't compete with slave labor. Duh.) And here we are ... 100% tariffs again. "So your prices are going to go way up." Yeah. In your strawman scenario they sure would!
And "XYZ has a monopoly on the entire industry." Um. Because yeah. That's how it works. Only one company in the United States exists for each industry. One car company. One food company. One fast food company. One restaurant.
I can't watch this anymore. It makes people dumber. Queshank
Hey Q, are you as dumb as the average Trumper here and think China pays the tariffs? Just curious.
Dude.
The video makes a rather compelling argument for how China pays the tariffs.
Nobody buys their products. And they lose business.
Do you understand what "costs" are?
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Post by petep on Nov 15, 2024 22:00:12 GMT
But it changed to what we have now. Why? Because as bad as our system is now (and I agree it has a lot of problems), the tariff-based system was WAY worse. It led to mass corruption, lower standards of living, lower quality products, and fewer products to choose from. And that is what you stupid righties voted for. Because if you do not study history, you are doomed to repeat it. Get ready for four years of economic hardship. Freon No freon. Wrong again. Read up on the 1913 tax campaign. Something along the lines of “soak the rich”. The start of the the ongoing direct taxation movement, other than a one time tax after the civil war. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 22:01:16 GMT
You're so dumb you self program yourself rofl
I wonder why searches for tariffs could have skyrocketed?
Perhaps people who had no idea because they voted against Trump and thought it was going to go away were now looking into tariffs?
Watched the same phenomenon play out with Brexit and stupid leftists in America and abroad argue "that means the people of Britain who voted LEAVE were having buyer's remorse!" Couldn't possibly be all the people who thought "no way could it ever happen that Britain would leave the EU" were suddenly playing catchup and seeing what would happen if Britain did, in fact, leave the EU.
And it's an example for why I argue there's been a collapse of intellectualism on the left as the smartest people on the left have gone into tech instead of politics for a few generations now.
Because you have to be pretty stupid to think that makes an argument Fidds.
Queshank
Explain why "How to change my vote" skyrocketed at the same time AFTER the election.
Btw autreyu ... my post is what someone who uses sources looks like. But you wanna know my opinion? No, I know you don't. Because you're not interested in opinions from outside the body.
I think it's because people who voted 3rd party ... after being convinced by propagandists that Iowa was going Kamala cuz GIRL POWAH!!! ... realized they were played and wanted to switch from Jill Stein to Kamala.
And I think it's sad that you've been trained (indoctrinated some would argue, and I do) to immediately only think of one conclusion, and dismiss all other possible conclusions.
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Post by queshank on Nov 15, 2024 22:07:57 GMT
And he sticks with the 100% tariff example and then says a "Toyota would be very ... let's say Undesirable." Your Toyota is probably built in San Antonio anyway.
And soon enough our LEGOs everyone shits a brick about costing more may be too. (Yes board leftists, I know they're a Danish company. That's part of the point...) Oh wait. The new LEGO factory is being built in Virginia. My b. Tough luck San Antonio.
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