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Post by RWB on Nov 7, 2024 20:25:22 GMT
This is a bit broader than what you promised. What you promised referred to what is positive "for me." That's completely subjective. Only you can determine that. Here you just mention "positives" without the "for me" qualifier. That's still subjective (people can honestly disagree on what is or is not positive) but it's much less subjective without the qualifier. I don't devalue your promise to me because what you promise to do is a bad idea. I think it's a good idea. I devalue the promise to me because I can't verify if you have kept it. And this is why my OP began with the things I value, honor being one of them. Freon The only thing you value is your love for the Democrat party. You try to pass yourself off as a former Republican But most people here see you for what you really are a Dyed in the wool Liberal Democrat party hack. At least Greg is 100% honest about being a Democrat party hack and proudly wears it as a badge 👍 you're just a cheap imitation fraud 😉 |
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Post by Paleocon on Nov 7, 2024 21:39:49 GMT
Help me accept it. Did Trump sneak into your bedroom in the middle of the night and say "BOO!"?
But I'm guessing you have zero basis for this unfounded fear of Trump. Feel free to correct me. I'll wait.
The joke is is two seconds I can come up with a few things that really bothered me about the biden Harris reign and democrat policies in general - vaccine mandates - disinformation governance board - fbi and cia lying to media and public about laptop - in general the way democrat run cities like San Francisco and others are managed - the border - inflation that I saw a direct result of extended and unnecessary shutdowns mostly by the left in Democrat places combined with printing money - their stated stance on banning semi auto .223’s - the way they pursued even minor trespass offenders from Jan 6 - withholding video evidence from Jan 6 during hearings - the lack of a strategy for North Korea, Russia, Ukraine, Iran etc I could list more but off the top of my head these were issues I looked at. Conservatives like us have the integrity to provide data, examples, evidence and corroboration. Liberals normally do not. |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 7, 2024 22:06:37 GMT
And this is why my OP began with the things I value, honor being one of them. Freon The only thing you value is your love for the Democrat party. You try to pass yourself off as a former Republican But most people here see you for what you really are a Dyed in the wool Liberal Democrat party hack. At least Greg is 100% honest about being a Democrat party hack and proudly wears it as a badge 👍 you're just a cheap imitation fraud 😉 I am unbothered by your admitting you have a limited ability to see beyond labels. See me any way you like, it's a free country (though you are working hard to change that). Freon |
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Post by HolyMoly on Nov 7, 2024 22:16:27 GMT
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Post by bama beau on Nov 8, 2024 2:40:36 GMT
Donald Trump will being doing positive things for this country, which in turn are positive for each of us. The fact that you can't even recognize Trump's positive contributions in his last term makes us doubt you'll have any better awareness the second time around.
And it makes me smile bigly to know that Trump does have a "second time around".
My life and yours are apparently very different, Paleo. That's just how it is. In your life, things he does might have a major positive impact, but that does not mean your life is the standard by which all of us must compare. Your comments tell me that you see me as lying, when I say he hurt me when he was last president. He did. It was awful for me. Never in my 50+ years living in this country did I ever experience direct fear for my safety. ONLY under him, did that happen. And under Biden, things normalized back to the way it was before, with that fear going away. If he helped you, then great, likely he will do so again, but he calls me an enemy. He calls me garbage. He tells me my blood is infecting this country. It's going to be a rough four years for those of us who do not live your life. But. But, if he DOES do anything that helps me, I will acknowledge it. I just don't expect it. Freon +1 |
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Post by bama beau on Nov 8, 2024 3:20:59 GMT
I don't agree with any of that. Our nation is divided, and what we tend to see in here is either complete support for one side or the other, never acknowledging, even indirectly, positives that the opposing side has provided. I am making a promise to not do that. If you see no value in what I'm saying, then you are part of the problem. Freon This is a bit broader than what you promised. What you promised referred to what is positive "for me." That's completely subjective. Only you can determine that. Here you just mention "positives" without the "for me" qualifier. That's still subjective (people can honestly disagree on what is or is not positive) but it's much less subjective without the qualifier. I don't devalue your promise to me because what you promise to do is a bad idea. I think it's a good idea. I devalue the promise to me because I can't verify if you have kept it. If I may, do you have trust issues? |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 8, 2024 4:06:15 GMT
There are only three things that have value to me, three things that if I lost, would actually damage me; My relationships, my memories, and my word. So with that level of importance attached to the last one, I give my word to all in this forum, that if Donald actually does something positive for me in the next four years, I will acknowledge it. He did NOTHING for me in his last term. He hurt me in many ways, actually, so that is exactly what I'm expecting this time. But if somehow that changes, I will publicly give him credit for it. Freon Warned you that if you wanted to come to America and become a citizen that you should have done it under Biden but no you didn't want to listen. Now you are stuck in Moldova or whatever slavic wasteland until dictator Trump dies, maybe even longer depending on who inherits the new dynasty. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 8, 2024 12:04:53 GMT
There are only three things that have value to me, three things that if I lost, would actually damage me; My relationships, my memories, and my word. So with that level of importance attached to the last one, I give my word to all in this forum, that if Donald actually does something positive for me in the next four years, I will acknowledge it. He did NOTHING for me in his last term. He hurt me in many ways, actually, so that is exactly what I'm expecting this time. But if somehow that changes, I will publicly give him credit for it. Freon Warned you that if you wanted to come to America and become a citizen that you should have done it under Biden but no you didn't want to listen. Now you are stuck in Moldova or whatever slavic wasteland until dictator Trump dies, maybe even longer depending on who inherits the new dynasty. You should write books. You won't sell any, but at least we'll be spared your imbecilic brain shits. |
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Post by Maestro on Nov 8, 2024 12:39:56 GMT
This is a bit broader than what you promised. What you promised referred to what is positive "for me." That's completely subjective. Only you can determine that. Here you just mention "positives" without the "for me" qualifier. That's still subjective (people can honestly disagree on what is or is not positive) but it's much less subjective without the qualifier. I don't devalue your promise to me because what you promise to do is a bad idea. I think it's a good idea. I devalue the promise to me because I can't verify if you have kept it. If I may, do you have trust issues? Nah. I neither trust nor distrust Freon's willingness or ability to keep this promise. Because the promise itself is meaningless to me, based as it is upon Freon's subjective definition of what is good for him. As one of those to whom this promise was made, I felt it worthwhile to point out its meaninglessness to anyone beyond himself. And that's why I suggested it would be a promise better made to himself than us. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 8, 2024 12:54:24 GMT
If I may, do you have trust issues? Nah. I neither trust nor distrust Freon's willingness or ability to keep this promise. Because the promise itself is meaningless to me, based as it is upon Freon's subjective definition of what is good for him. As one of those to whom this promise was made, I felt it worthwhile to point out its meaninglessness to anyone beyond himself. And that's why I suggested it would be a promise better made to himself than us. Speaking of promises. How long do you think it will take for those that trump made promises to, especially when he said that he would do it within the first week of his term to realize they've been had? For example, he promised that he would lower the interest rates to one guy who said he couldn't afford to buy a house under the current conditions. |
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Post by petep on Nov 8, 2024 13:07:35 GMT
Two pages in and Freon still can’t list specific things trump did when he was president that harmed him.
He also can’t provide a list of things trump could / should do that would be positive for him.
Took me a minute to post specific things Biden Harris did that I did not like and saw as harmful or egregious.
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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2024 14:42:20 GMT
Two pages in and Freon still can’t list specific things trump did when he was president that harmed him. He also can’t provide a list of things trump could / should do that would be positive for him. Took me a minute to post specific things Biden Harris did that I did not like and saw as harmful or egregious. I've spent nearly four years explaining to people like you that first part. You never asked me the second part. Freon |
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Post by archie on Nov 8, 2024 14:49:01 GMT
That's nice, but a promise that can't be verified by the one to whom it is made is an empty promise. Doing "something positive for me," is a subjective standard that only you can verify. In addition, it ignores the possibility of positive inaction on behalf of the president. So it is not really a substantive promise. It means nothing to anyone who doesn't have direct access to your thoughts. Therefore, it's a promise you should make to yourself, not us. I don't agree with any of that. Our nation is divided, and what we tend to see in here is either complete support for one side or the other, never acknowledging, even indirectly, positives that the opposing side has provided. I am making a promise to not do that. If you see no value in what I'm saying, then you are part of the problem. Freon Yes our nation is divided. There is one side that wants to turn this into a socialist country and the other that wants America to be as our founders meant it to be. The democrat party has allowed our country to be invaded. And if they did not lose the election and power as they did, they have opened the border to help turn us into another one party in charge and no one can work hard and intelligently and be living better than anyone else. The government will take all the profit and pay everyone to shut up be quiet and get to work and pay the government. |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2024 15:02:06 GMT
I don't agree with any of that. Our nation is divided, and what we tend to see in here is either complete support for one side or the other, never acknowledging, even indirectly, positives that the opposing side has provided. I am making a promise to not do that. If you see no value in what I'm saying, then you are part of the problem. Freon Yes our nation is divided. There is one side that wants to turn this into a socialist country and the other that wants America to be as our founders meant it to be. The democrat party has allowed our country to be invaded. And if they did not lose the election and power as they did, they have opened the border to help turn us into another one party in charge and no one can work hard and intelligently and be living better than anyone else. The government will take all the profit and pay everyone to shut up be quiet and get to work and pay the government. Archie, Donald didn't win because most of America wanted him. He actually had FEWER votes than last time from his own base. He won because Dems didn't come out to vote. That's not a referendum to make America the way you want. That's apathy, that people don't believe in their government AT ALL anymore. And Donald did not offer to change that. Did not offer to bring us together. So your conclusions here are foolish, and so was your vote. Prepare for extreme hardship, because you were not careful about what you wished for. Donald is not CAPABLE of giving you what he promised. But I see that since 43% of our country has an education level of about a sixth grader, you will have to learn the hard way. Freon |
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Post by petep on Nov 8, 2024 15:36:28 GMT
Yes our nation is divided. There is one side that wants to turn this into a socialist country and the other that wants America to be as our founders meant it to be. The democrat party has allowed our country to be invaded. And if they did not lose the election and power as they did, they have opened the border to help turn us into another one party in charge and no one can work hard and intelligently and be living better than anyone else. The government will take all the profit and pay everyone to shut up be quiet and get to work and pay the government. Archie, Donald didn't win because most of America wanted him. He actually had FEWER votes than last time from his own base. He won because Dems didn't come out to vote. That's not a referendum to make America the way you want. That's apathy, that people don't believe in their government AT ALL anymore. And Donald did not offer to change that. Did not offer to bring us together. So your conclusions here are foolish, and so was your vote. Prepare for extreme hardship, because you were not careful about what you wished for. Donald is not CAPABLE of giving you what he promised. But I see that since 43% of our country has an education level of about a sixth grader, you will have to learn the hard way. Freon Magically 15 million dem voters disappeared. |
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Post by Maestro on Nov 8, 2024 16:34:30 GMT
Nah. I neither trust nor distrust Freon's willingness or ability to keep this promise. Because the promise itself is meaningless to me, based as it is upon Freon's subjective definition of what is good for him. As one of those to whom this promise was made, I felt it worthwhile to point out its meaninglessness to anyone beyond himself. And that's why I suggested it would be a promise better made to himself than us. Speaking of promises. How long do you think it will take for those that trump made promises to, especially when he said that he would do it within the first week of his term to realize they've been had? For example, he promised that he would lower the interest rates to one guy who said he couldn't afford to buy a house under the current conditions. That's probably a discussion for another thread. In response to my posts about Freon, it comes across as whataboutism. ("Yeah, sure, Freon's promise, but what about Trump's promises?") |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 8, 2024 17:49:43 GMT
Speaking of promises. How long do you think it will take for those that trump made promises to, especially when he said that he would do it within the first week of his term to realize they've been had? For example, he promised that he would lower the interest rates to one guy who said he couldn't afford to buy a house under the current conditions. That's probably a discussion for another thread. In response to my posts about Freon, it comes across as whataboutism. ("Yeah, sure, Freon's promise, but what about Trump's promises?") That's not what it was. I am not really interested in Freon's promises. I just took the opportunity to ask you about this since you're one of the rare posters from the opposition (to my views) with whom a discussion is possible. I know my phrasing is terrible but I've had a long day... So... in light of that... How long do you think it'll take for that particular person to wise up? Trump told the guy he would take care of it within a week. |
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