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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 27, 2024 16:42:56 GMT
So you'd be OK if a leper was sitting next to you at church. What a terrible argument. Churches can have their own rules. I’m talking about the government mandating that churches close down. Figure things out. You didn't get the point, moron. Answer the question and I'll tell you what it is, or are you too much of a coward to answer that question honestly? Now answer the question bastard: Would you be OK at your church to sit next to a leper? YES or NO? |
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Post by stugatze on Oct 27, 2024 16:49:23 GMT
Down to the wire. Closing arguments: Kamala Harris "We are moving FORWARD!" "Donald Trump is a FASCIST!" Donald Trump "Arnold Palmer had a big pecker" "America is a garbage can!" Your thoughts... Greg ____________________________________________________________________________________
Greggy, .. you have to KNOW by now, .. that Kamala, is going to be EASILY DEFEATED by Donald J. Trump. I just hope you can handle  her loss.
Even WITH your demoncrap party's usual VOTER FRAUD,   .. I believe it is gonna be very very hard to beat Trump on November5th. 
REMEMBER: I TOLD you Trump was gonna PREVAIL, .. not only at the ballot box, .. but, will WALK FREE from the PHONY Lawfare Charges that demoncraps went after him on. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 27, 2024 17:20:48 GMT
What a terrible argument. Churches can have their own rules. I’m talking about the government mandating that churches close down. Figure things out. You didn't get the point, moron. Answer the question and I'll tell you what it is, or are you too much of a coward to answer that question honestly? Now answer the question bastard: Would you be OK at your church to sit next to a leper? YES or NO? Spoiler: there is no point. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 27, 2024 18:04:27 GMT
I would argue that some of those decisions were bi-partisan, and others, while perhaps misguided, were attempts to reduce harm from Covid. There are good faith disagreements to be had there but I don't think that's in the same ballpark as trying to overturn an election. The other side was just trying to “reduce harm” from what they believed was a stolen election. So long as you say you’re trying to “reduce harm”, you can destroy lives and the government is fine. Nice. It’s not “good faith”. The government can’t lock me in my home or tell me it’s illegal to go to church. That’s certainly not liberal, unless you’ve destroyed all remnants of the word. No doubt that's true, it was a harm reduction effort. I remember coming on the boards immediately after J6 to say that if Trump and MAGA narratives about a stolen election were correct, then J6 didn't go far enough and we should take up arms immediately. We can't let the country be taken over by some hostile entity. Our freedom and our children's freedom hangs in the balance. Here's the thing, though, Trump and institutional MAGA knew this was all bs and they let people believe their country was under attack. No surprise things played out as they did. And for that I will be voting Democratic for the rest of my life (providing the Democrats don't pull the same stunt, Kamala is VP LOL!), to reduce harm from people who have no scruples about gambling with our freedoms. They will do anything to secure power. Pandemics are one of those rare instances where the government needs to take a MUCH more active role in individual decision making for the common good. It's like war, you can't let people figure out their own way. In those situations, survival is the highest end and to that goal we need order, cohesion and coordination and you don't get that without command and control. This is not to say that everything we did during the crisis was the right thing to do. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 27, 2024 18:19:02 GMT
I would argue that some of those decisions were bi-partisan, and others, while perhaps misguided, were attempts to reduce harm from Covid. There are good faith disagreements to be had there but I don't think that's in the same ballpark as trying to overturn an election. Biden Harris used authoritarian unconstitutional tactics. Illegal mandates. Censoring citizens. Installing a disinformation governance board. And much of what they were censoring was true. And they directly did this. I am not one for censoring anybody and this board didn't do that, it sent out "guidance" to DHS agencies for combatting disinformation that threatens the homeland, such as false information propagated by human smugglers encouraging migrants to surge to the Mexico–United States border, as well as Russian-state disinformation on election interference and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_BoardThis board, as far as I can tell, censored nothing. You are referring to private entities like Facebook and Twitter and their terms of service, community notes, etc which is not government censorship or a first amendment issue. Censorship of disinformation is problematic, coordinating and strategizing how to respond is divine. |
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Post by thor on Oct 27, 2024 18:45:04 GMT
Biden Harris used authoritarian unconstitutional tactics. Illegal mandates. Censoring citizens. Installing a disinformation governance board. And much of what they were censoring was true. And they directly did this. I am not one for censoring anybody and this board didn't do that, it sent out "guidance" to DHS agencies for combatting disinformation that threatens the homeland, such as false information propagated by human smugglers encouraging migrants to surge to the Mexico–United States border, as well as Russian-state disinformation on election interference and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_BoardThis board, as far as I can tell, censored nothing. You are referring to private entities like Facebook and Twitter and their terms of service, community notes, etc which is not government censorship or a first amendment issue. Censorship of disinformation is problematic, coordinating and strategizing how to respond is divine. You realize you are throwing pearls to swine, right? |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 27, 2024 19:05:33 GMT
The other side was just trying to “reduce harm” from what they believed was a stolen election. So long as you say you’re trying to “reduce harm”, you can destroy lives and the government is fine. Nice. It’s not “good faith”. The government can’t lock me in my home or tell me it’s illegal to go to church. That’s certainly not liberal, unless you’ve destroyed all remnants of the word. No doubt that's true, it was a harm reduction effort. I remember coming on the boards immediately after J6 to say that if Trump and MAGA narratives about a stolen election were correct, then J6 didn't go far enough and we should take up arms immediately. We can't let the country be taken over by some hostile entity. Our freedom and our children's freedom hangs in the balance. Here's the thing, though, Trump and institutional MAGA knew this was all bs and they let people believe their country was under attack. No surprise things played out as they did. And for that I will be voting Democratic for the rest of my life (providing the Democrats don't pull the same stunt, Kamala is VP LOL!), to reduce harm from people who have no scruples about gambling with our freedoms. They will do anything to secure power. Pandemics are one of those rare instances where the government needs to take a MUCH more active role in individual decision making for the common good. It's like war, you can't let people figure out their own way. In those situations, survival is the highest end and to that goal we need order, cohesion and coordination and you don't get that without command and control. This is not to say that everything we did during the crisis was the right thing to do. Welp, here come more manufactured crises. And they’ll be embraced and welcomed by the “liberals” of society. We’re always at war. There is always a crisis around the corner. The Constitution didn’t say that I have the freedom to assemble and worship but only in non-crisis times. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 27, 2024 19:32:07 GMT
Blahahaha.  Who tried to force us to inject chemicals into our bodies? Who made us carry papers stating we were "essential" employees? Essential to the continued function of the state. Who tried to make us carry cards detailing our medical information that we would need to show in order to access various buildings and services? Who tried to tell us who we could have in our own homes? Who forcibly closed small businesses in favor of corporate behemoths? Who tried to prevent us from accessing parks/beaches? Who tried to shut down voices counter to the government propaganda? Who tried to turn people against each other by providing hotlines and other means to rat out your neighbors? That sounds an awfully lot like fascism and a blatant violation of several Constitutional protections. Who supported all that and wanted it applied at the national level? Who attempted to illegally overturn an election he lost? Greg Correction. Challenged the results of the election using a variety of legal means to do so. His challenges failed and he left office when scheduled to do so. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 27, 2024 19:32:53 GMT
Blahahaha. Who tried to force us to inject chemicals into our bodies? Who made us carry papers stating we were "essential" employees? Essential to the continued function of the state. Who tried to make us carry cards detailing our medical information that we would need to show in order to access various buildings and services? Who tried to tell us who we could have in our own homes? Who forcibly closed small businesses in favor of corporate behemoths? Who tried to prevent us from accessing parks/beaches? Who tried to shut down voices counter to the government propaganda? Who tried to turn people against each other by providing hotlines and other means to rat out your neighbors? That sounds an awfully lot like fascism and a blatant violation of several Constitutional protections. Who supported all that and wanted it applied at the national level?  Shitbag, who lost his job due to his incompetence, is still on the dole. ^ More projection from the resident NeanderTard. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 27, 2024 19:39:32 GMT
Blahahaha. Who tried to force us to inject chemicals into our bodies? Who made us carry papers stating we were "essential" employees? Essential to the continued function of the state. Who tried to make us carry cards detailing our medical information that we would need to show in order to access various buildings and services? Who tried to tell us who we could have in our own homes? Who forcibly closed small businesses in favor of corporate behemoths? Who tried to prevent us from accessing parks/beaches? Who tried to shut down voices counter to the government propaganda? Who tried to turn people against each other by providing hotlines and other means to rat out your neighbors? That sounds an awfully lot like fascism and a blatant violation of several Constitutional protections. Who supported all that and wanted it applied at the national level? It's all about one nonessential thing, you demented monomaniac! How about.... everything else, you fucking sociopath!!! Reread the conversation and try again loser. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 27, 2024 19:46:45 GMT
Blahahaha. Who tried to force us to inject chemicals into our bodies? Who made us carry papers stating we were "essential" employees? Essential to the continued function of the state. Who tried to make us carry cards detailing our medical information that we would need to show in order to access various buildings and services? Who tried to tell us who we could have in our own homes? Who forcibly closed small businesses in favor of corporate behemoths? Who tried to prevent us from accessing parks/beaches? Who tried to shut down voices counter to the government propaganda? Who tried to turn people against each other by providing hotlines and other means to rat out your neighbors? That sounds an awfully lot like fascism and a blatant violation of several Constitutional protections. Who supported all that and wanted it applied at the national level? I would argue that some of those decisions were bi-partisan, and others, while perhaps misguided, were attempts to reduce harm from Covid. There are good faith disagreements to be had there but I don't think that's in the same ballpark as trying to overturn an election. The bipartisanship was very limited and ultimately vanished in a relatively short period of time. Whether or not fascism is seen as good or necessary is irrelevant as to whether or not the actions are fascist (or authoritarian, illiberal, etc) in nature. One side overwhelmingly supported these actions, one side thought they should have gone much further, one side is completely incapable of admitting they were wrong, and one side would do all of that again if presented another opportunity. It's all the same group of people and they overwhelmingly support the democrats. I didn't support Trump until the left lost their mother fucking minds. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Oct 27, 2024 20:05:18 GMT
Who attempted to illegally overturn an election he lost? Greg Correction. Challenged the results of the election using a variety of legal means to do so. His challenges failed and he left office when scheduled to do so. His lawyers were indicted and so far three have plead guilty to conspiracy election interference. More coming. Which part was legal again? Greg |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 27, 2024 20:29:03 GMT
I would argue that some of those decisions were bi-partisan, and others, while perhaps misguided, were attempts to reduce harm from Covid. There are good faith disagreements to be had there but I don't think that's in the same ballpark as trying to overturn an election. The bipartisanship was very limited and ultimately vanished in a relatively short period of time. Whether or not fascism is seen as good or necessary is irrelevant as to whether or not the actions are fascist (or authoritarian, illiberal, etc) in nature. One side overwhelmingly supported these actions, one side thought they should have gone much further, one side is completely incapable of admitting they were wrong, and one side would do all of that again if presented another opportunity. It's all the same group of people and they overwhelmingly support the democrats. I didn't support Trump until the left lost their mother fucking minds. I don't think that's true, in Texas we had the same restrictions as everyone else. Both sides got things wrong, but to me the rightwing lost their minds and started thinking the whole thing was a hoax, and wasn't a threat at all. At the end of the day, the harm done to individuals will no doubt persist but the policy is gone. Most expansions of government authority ratchet up, they rarely fade away. But this one did, which means it wasn't some fascist turn, some threshold that we can't come back from. It was emergency measures undertaken at a moment of intense crisis. Trying to steal an election, on the other hand, is very different. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 27, 2024 20:29:35 GMT
Who attempted to illegally overturn an election he lost? Greg Correction. Challenged the results of the election using a variety of legal means to do so. His challenges failed and he left office when scheduled to do so. You're leaving a lot out in this rendition. |
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Post by thor on Oct 27, 2024 20:30:21 GMT
Correction. Challenged the results of the election using a variety of legal means to do so. His challenges failed and he left office when scheduled to do so. His lawyers were indicted and so far three have plead guilty to conspiracy election interference. More coming. Which part was legal again? Greg Cultists gotta Cult. Poor Shitbag - he's lost all agency. |
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Post by thor on Oct 27, 2024 20:32:17 GMT
I would argue that some of those decisions were bi-partisan, and others, while perhaps misguided, were attempts to reduce harm from Covid. There are good faith disagreements to be had there but I don't think that's in the same ballpark as trying to overturn an election. The bipartisanship was very limited and ultimately vanished in a relatively short period of time. Whether or not fascism is seen as good or necessary is irrelevant as to whether or not the actions are fascist (or authoritarian, illiberal, etc) in nature. One side overwhelmingly supported these actions, one side thought they should have gone much further, one side is completely incapable of admitting they were wrong, and one side would do all of that again if presented another opportunity. It's all the same group of people and they overwhelmingly support the democrats. I didn't support Trump until the left lost their mother fucking minds. You are ALWAYS a closet Trumper, Shitbag. Like most mediocrities who can't compete, you need your Big Daddy Trump to make you feel strong. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Oct 27, 2024 20:38:26 GMT
Correction. Challenged the results of the election using a variety of legal means to do so. His challenges failed and he left office when scheduled to do so. You're leaving a lot out in this rendition. Funny how they keep forgetting that part. Greg |
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Post by Paleocon on Oct 27, 2024 20:42:54 GMT
Peasoup, what these Democrats did in 2017 was exactly what Trump was asking Republicans to do, which was within his and their right to do so as YOU JUST ADMITTED.
And I didn't use the word "illegal", you stupid French pétasse.
You're a fucking liar and a coward as well. You compared what the Democrats did to the violations the mob manipulated by trump did, implying that what the Dems did was illegal as well, you lying sack of shit. You go through life lying through your teeth and cowardly eluding the implications instead of facing the consequences of what you said, you lying bitch! You've always been a pussy, haven't you, boy? You lied when you claimed that I used the word "illegal", but we all knew you lacked that integrity to admit your dishonesty.
Trump manipulated no mob nor did he incite anything on January 6th. His efforts to get Pence to consider rejecting electoral votes is EXACTLY like the efforts of these seven Democrats in 2017.
Anything else, pussy?
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 27, 2024 20:45:06 GMT
Correction. Challenged the results of the election using a variety of legal means to do so. His challenges failed and he left office when scheduled to do so. His lawyers were indicted and so far three have plead guilty to conspiracy election interference. More coming. Which part was legal again? Greg Trump has not been found guilty of whatever crimes they confessed to. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 27, 2024 20:45:50 GMT
I am not one for censoring anybody and this board didn't do that, it sent out "guidance" to DHS agencies for combatting disinformation that threatens the homeland, such as false information propagated by human smugglers encouraging migrants to surge to the Mexico–United States border, as well as Russian-state disinformation on election interference and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_Governance_BoardThis board, as far as I can tell, censored nothing. You are referring to private entities like Facebook and Twitter and their terms of service, community notes, etc which is not government censorship or a first amendment issue. Censorship of disinformation is problematic, coordinating and strategizing how to respond is divine. You realize you are throwing pearls to swine, right? There's a fun juxtaposition there in talking to cult members like they are open to being convinced and just need to see the right facts. |
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