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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 21:07:06 GMT
So it is telling you that you are the 101st to use that voting machine? Freon No. You fill out the ballot in a booth, take it to the machine, and put it in. The counter goes up by '1'. Thus, I know my ballot was counted. I live in a somewhat rural area, and my precinct is at a school - I only saw one machine every time I voted. What you know is that one machine has counted your ballot. At some point, unless that machine is networked to a central counting entity (which would open itself to digital attack on many levels), it will have data that must be manually moved to that central counting entity, and put in another machine to add it to the whole. Not much different than physical ballots at that point. They use the machines purely to capture your vote, not to count it, or add it to the cumulative tally. And you don't know how, when, or who is doing any of that. Freon |
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Post by thor on Oct 23, 2024 21:16:27 GMT
No. You fill out the ballot in a booth, take it to the machine, and put it in. The counter goes up by '1'. Thus, I know my ballot was counted. I live in a somewhat rural area, and my precinct is at a school - I only saw one machine every time I voted. What you know is that one machine has counted your ballot. At some point, unless that machine is networked to a central counting entity (which would open itself to digital attack on many levels), it will have data that must be manually moved to that central counting entity, and put in another machine to add it to the whole. Not much different than physical ballots at that point. They use the machines purely to capture your vote, not to count it, or add it to the cumulative tally. And you don't know how, when, or who is doing any of that. Freon Exactly. You really aren't telling me anything I am not already aware of. After depositing my ballot, the rest is beyond my control. ANY system is vulnerable to tampering, physical, OR digital. Voting electronically (Internet and such) is a bad, Bad, BAD idea, for many, Many, MANY reasons. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 21:20:20 GMT
What you know is that one machine has counted your ballot. At some point, unless that machine is networked to a central counting entity (which would open itself to digital attack on many levels), it will have data that must be manually moved to that central counting entity, and put in another machine to add it to the whole. Not much different than physical ballots at that point. They use the machines purely to capture your vote, not to count it, or add it to the cumulative tally. And you don't know how, when, or who is doing any of that. Freon Exactly. You really aren't telling me anything I am not already aware of. After depositing my ballot, the rest is beyond my control. ANY system is vulnerable to tampering, physical, OR digital. Voting electronically (Internet and such) is a bad, Bad, BAD idea, for many, Many, MANY reasons. I'm not actually opposed to voting over the Internet. We bank over the Internet just fine. We manage our 401ks, our stocks, all with no problem. It CAN be made secure, it just isn't right now. Freon |
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Post by thor on Oct 23, 2024 21:24:25 GMT
Exactly. You really aren't telling me anything I am not already aware of. After depositing my ballot, the rest is beyond my control. ANY system is vulnerable to tampering, physical, OR digital. Voting electronically (Internet and such) is a bad, Bad, BAD idea, for many, Many, MANY reasons. I'm not actually opposed to voting over the Internet. We bank over the Internet just fine. We manage our 401ks, our stocks, all with no problem. It CAN be made secure, it just isn't right now. Freon There is FAR more at stake in an election than with managing finances. Not the same ballpark, not the same league, not the same sport. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 21:27:15 GMT
I'm not actually opposed to voting over the Internet. We bank over the Internet just fine. We manage our 401ks, our stocks, all with no problem. It CAN be made secure, it just isn't right now. Freon There is FAR more at stake in an election than with managing finances. Not the same ballpark, not the same league, not the same sport. Can't agree with that. When you are managing your entire life's savings over an Internet connection, knowing you are secure is mandatory. And the reality is, for the most part, you are. That's why most of us do it. Voting is important, critical for countries, but the technology behind voting is so much more PRIMITIVE than that which is needed to secure financial assets. If we wanted a secure system, we could have it. But in time, it's going to happen anyway. Freon |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 23, 2024 21:28:58 GMT
You gotta read the whole sentence. I’m not young, yet I’m far too young to be responsible for it. I was simply highlighting, because I'm kind, that you're middle-aged. You call that, middle? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 23, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
I was simply highlighting, because I'm kind, that you're middle-aged. No doubt! But I feel like I'm 20. Just got a checkup. 174 total cholesterol. 2.0 ratio to HDLs. 114/75 BP. Get this. I eat 10 eggs every day. Is that why you're chicken? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 23, 2024 21:30:46 GMT
No doubt! But I feel like I'm 20. Just got a checkup. 174 total cholesterol. 2.0 ratio to HDLs. 114/75 BP. Get this. I eat 10 eggs every day. ... We were made for each other!!!! ... To do what? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 23, 2024 21:32:31 GMT
My BP is 120/72! We were made for each other!!!! ..what kind of eggs? Those American ones, washed & refrigerated? Or proper ones from a farm, with hen poo on them? *squeal* Let's get an apartment together! Both. I buy as many as I can from a farmer I know, but he has other obligations. So I have to supplement from the allegedly "cage free, pasture raised" section at the grocery store. Just got 40 lbs of lamb from the farmer as well. Sweeeeeet. It's "pasteurized", you dumb fuck! |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 23, 2024 21:42:43 GMT
*squeal* Let's get an apartment together! Both. I buy as many as I can from a farmer I know, but he has other obligations. So I have to supplement from the allegedly "cage free, pasture raised" section at the grocery store. Just got 40 lbs of lamb from the farmer as well. Sweeeeeet. It's "pasteurized", you dumb fuck! You stupid on this one, brah. Sorry, Dave. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 23, 2024 21:44:03 GMT
It's "pasteurized", you dumb fuck! You stupid on this one, brah. Sorry, Dave. It was a joke. Don't go stupid on me, now. |
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Post by slefty on Oct 23, 2024 21:46:20 GMT
Very fast, very accurate reading. Cannot be changed. And stored forever. Machines are not for either party. Accurate count. Nothing to do with outer space or electronics that can invade. But people don't trust them, 'cos reasons. Look at the Fox -v- Dominion case. The best & simplest way is paper ballots, marked by hand, & counted by multi-partisan teams under auditable conditions. Peopke dumb enough to think Dominion were complicit in cheating will, of course, believe nonsense about vote cheating in paper ballots, too, but you can't fix stupidity. In fla you mark a physical paper ballot, put it in the optical reader that tallies your vote AND saves it for later recounts either by hand or another reader. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 23, 2024 21:46:59 GMT
*squeal* Let's get an apartment together! Both. I buy as many as I can from a farmer I know, but he has other obligations. So I have to supplement from the allegedly "cage free, pasture raised" section at the grocery store. Just got 40 lbs of lamb from the farmer as well. Sweeeeeet. It's "pasteurized", you dumb fuck! Stop doing this to yourself. |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 23, 2024 21:47:32 GMT
You stupid on this one, brah. Sorry, Dave. It was a joke. Don't go stupid on me, now. Where's the joke? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 23, 2024 21:53:09 GMT
It was a joke. Don't go stupid on me, now. Where's the joke? "Pasteurized" sounds like "pasture raised"... If I had a dime (inflation) for every time someone on this board didn't get my joke... |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 23, 2024 22:40:14 GMT
"Pasteurized" sounds like "pasture raised"... If I had a dime (inflation) for every time someone on this board didn't get my joke... That's a joke? I'm sorry, what??? |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 23, 2024 22:40:56 GMT
"Pasteurized" sounds like "pasture raised"... If I had a dime (inflation) for every time someone on this board didn't get my joke... That's a joke? I'm sorry, what??? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 23, 2024 23:14:39 GMT
"Pasteurized" sounds like "pasture raised"... If I had a dime (inflation) for every time someone on this board didn't get my joke... That's a joke? I'm sorry, what??? yeah, it's a pun. You might want to look that one up... |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 23, 2024 23:21:35 GMT
That's a joke? I'm sorry, what??? yeah, it's a pun. You might want to look that one up... I just did, and you're right. It's probably the funniest joke ever. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 24, 2024 0:43:50 GMT
yeah, it's a pun. You might want to look that one up... I just did, and you're right. It's probably the funniest joke ever. De gustibus non disputandum est... That's Latin... |
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