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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 23, 2024 17:27:22 GMT
But how do we know it was really you? Have you ever signed up for mail-in voting? At that time, you must prove who you are. That's how we know. In fact, if anything, it is HARDER to prove identity for mail-in, than in person. Totally worth the effort, tho. Freon Not at the time of sign up. I don't care that you proved who you were at that time. That you actually filled out the ballot with your choices. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 17:55:41 GMT
Have you ever signed up for mail-in voting? At that time, you must prove who you are. That's how we know. In fact, if anything, it is HARDER to prove identity for mail-in, than in person. Totally worth the effort, tho. Freon Not at the time of sign up. I don't care that you proved who you were at that time. That you actually filled out the ballot with your choices. How can my response not cover that, in your eyes? If I lie and provide false documentation, I can vote at any of these live voting stations. Your side claims voter fraud is not just occurring, it is rampant, and most of that is in-person. For mail-in, however, all the steps in the process are tied back to my identity, which I have thoroughly proven, including how they inform me (I chose email, but SMS and a few other options were available, in addition to being able to directly login to the Registrar's site and verify on my own). It would require MUCH more effort to trick mail-in, than in-person. And once you vote in-person, how do you even know your vote is counted? You get no assurance of that at all. You just hope that after it went into the box, it made it to the counting facility, and had no problems. If mine has a problem, they will inform me, and I can then either resubmit my mail-in, or go to an in-person to re-vote. Anyone who is saying that in-person is higher security, does not understand how mail-in works. Freon |
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Post by thor on Oct 23, 2024 18:26:11 GMT
Not at the time of sign up. I don't care that you proved who you were at that time. That you actually filled out the ballot with your choices. How can my response not cover that, in your eyes? If I lie and provide false documentation, I can vote at any of these live voting stations. Your side claims voter fraud is not just occurring, it is rampant, and most of that is in-person. For mail-in, however, all the steps in the process are tied back to my identity, which I have thoroughly proven, including how they inform me (I chose email, but SMS and a few other options were available, in addition to being able to directly login to the Registrar's site and verify on my own). It would require MUCH more effort to trick mail-in, than in-person. And once you vote in-person, how do you even know your vote is counted? You get no assurance of that at all. You just hope that after it went into the box, it made it to the counting facility, and had no problems. If mine has a problem, they will inform me, and I can then either resubmit my mail-in, or go to an in-person to re-vote. Anyone who is saying that in-person is higher security, does not understand how mail-in works. Freon To add my two cents here, where I am at, you fill out your ballot, take it to the machine, put it in the machine yourself, and watch the count increase by '1'. So, at least where I am, I know my ballot gets counted. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 18:28:27 GMT
How can my response not cover that, in your eyes? If I lie and provide false documentation, I can vote at any of these live voting stations. Your side claims voter fraud is not just occurring, it is rampant, and most of that is in-person. For mail-in, however, all the steps in the process are tied back to my identity, which I have thoroughly proven, including how they inform me (I chose email, but SMS and a few other options were available, in addition to being able to directly login to the Registrar's site and verify on my own). It would require MUCH more effort to trick mail-in, than in-person. And once you vote in-person, how do you even know your vote is counted? You get no assurance of that at all. You just hope that after it went into the box, it made it to the counting facility, and had no problems. If mine has a problem, they will inform me, and I can then either resubmit my mail-in, or go to an in-person to re-vote. Anyone who is saying that in-person is higher security, does not understand how mail-in works. Freon To add my two cents here, where I am at, you fill out your ballot, take it to the machine, put it in the machine yourself, and watch the count increase by '1'. So, at least where I am, I know my ballot gets counted. The count of what? That you added your vote, or that your individual votes were counted? Freon |
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Post by thor on Oct 23, 2024 18:30:15 GMT
To add my two cents here, where I am at, you fill out your ballot, take it to the machine, put it in the machine yourself, and watch the count increase by '1'. So, at least where I am, I know my ballot gets counted. The count of what? That you added your vote, or that your individual votes were counted? Freon Say the machine says 100. When I put my ballot in the machine, it goes up to '101'. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 18:36:02 GMT
The count of what? That you added your vote, or that your individual votes were counted? Freon Say the machine says 100. When I put my ballot in the machine, it goes up to '101'. So it is telling you that you are the 101st to use that voting machine? Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 23, 2024 18:44:56 GMT
Not at the time of sign up. I don't care that you proved who you were at that time. That you actually filled out the ballot with your choices. How can my response not cover that, in your eyes? If I lie and provide false documentation, I can vote at any of these live voting stations. Your side claims voter fraud is not just occurring, it is rampant, and most of that is in-person. For mail-in, however, all the steps in the process are tied back to my identity, which I have thoroughly proven, including how they inform me (I chose email, but SMS and a few other options were available, in addition to being able to directly login to the Registrar's site and verify on my own). It would require MUCH more effort to trick mail-in, than in-person. And once you vote in-person, how do you even know your vote is counted? You get no assurance of that at all. You just hope that after it went into the box, it made it to the counting facility, and had no problems. If mine has a problem, they will inform me, and I can then either resubmit my mail-in, or go to an in-person to re-vote. Anyone who is saying that in-person is higher security, does not understand how mail-in works. Freon It's more secure for you from your perspective. You're not going into it trying to game it. There are a dozen ways I can think of where it can be easily gamed. Not "widespread" or "rampant", as you've built your strawman to have me say, but all that's needed to change the last couple elections are tens of thousands in a few targeted states. You're thinking from the perspective of your assurance that you voted for your preferred candidates and you receive feedback on where that vote is at in the process. I'm thinking from the perspective of targeting individuals who may not even want to vote, may have no intentions on voting, and are manipulated to provide information to a third party who carries out the process for them. Harder to do that with in-person voting which requires identification. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 18:51:55 GMT
How can my response not cover that, in your eyes? If I lie and provide false documentation, I can vote at any of these live voting stations. Your side claims voter fraud is not just occurring, it is rampant, and most of that is in-person. For mail-in, however, all the steps in the process are tied back to my identity, which I have thoroughly proven, including how they inform me (I chose email, but SMS and a few other options were available, in addition to being able to directly login to the Registrar's site and verify on my own). It would require MUCH more effort to trick mail-in, than in-person. And once you vote in-person, how do you even know your vote is counted? You get no assurance of that at all. You just hope that after it went into the box, it made it to the counting facility, and had no problems. If mine has a problem, they will inform me, and I can then either resubmit my mail-in, or go to an in-person to re-vote. Anyone who is saying that in-person is higher security, does not understand how mail-in works. Freon It's more secure for you from your perspective. You're not going into it trying to game it. There are a dozen ways I can think of where it can be easily gamed. Not "widespread" or "rampant", as you've built your strawman to have me say, but all that's needed to change the last couple elections are tens of thousands in a few targeted states. You're thinking from the perspective of your assurance that you voted for your preferred candidates and you receive feedback on where that vote is at in the process. I'm thinking from the perspective of targeting individuals who may not even want to vote, may have no intentions on voting, and are manipulated to provide information to a third party who carries out the process for them. Harder to do that with in-person voting which requires identification. You have no idea what I'm thinking, so I'll just leave it at that. You've told me what you are thinking, and if you had asked, I would tell you that I'm ALWAYS thinking how to game the system. I work in IT, lol. We are constantly dealing with threat actors (mainly from China and Iran) trying to attack our systems. That's just a day at work, to me. You're just some lay person who thinks you even have a clue how to game these systems, lol. If I even remotely thought that gaming these systems was easy, I would not use them. You have been told that there is a problem that isn't actually there, and you believe it. I do not think for a second, you personally possess the expertise to know how to hack these systems (whether in person or mail-in) to achieve the goals you believe are so easy. Of the two ways of voting, I believe it is MUCH easier to trick the in-person process, than the mail-in one. At the in-person sites, you have a bunch of old people given a week of training, and that's about it. They are the initial gatekeepers, and they have no clue how threat actors could game the system. In that booth, it's just you and the machine, and if you know what you are doing, the possibility of hacking it is much more likely, than if you mailed that same ballot in. Get over yourself, noob. Freon |
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Post by limey² on Oct 23, 2024 19:02:02 GMT
You gotta read the whole sentence. I’m not young, yet I’m far too young to be responsible for it. I was simply highlighting, because I'm kind, that you're middle-aged. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 23, 2024 19:03:13 GMT
It's more secure for you from your perspective. You're not going into it trying to game it. There are a dozen ways I can think of where it can be easily gamed. Not "widespread" or "rampant", as you've built your strawman to have me say, but all that's needed to change the last couple elections are tens of thousands in a few targeted states. You're thinking from the perspective of your assurance that you voted for your preferred candidates and you receive feedback on where that vote is at in the process. I'm thinking from the perspective of targeting individuals who may not even want to vote, may have no intentions on voting, and are manipulated to provide information to a third party who carries out the process for them. Harder to do that with in-person voting which requires identification. You have no idea what I'm thinking, so I'll just leave it at that. You've told me what you are thinking, and if you had asked, I would tell you that I'm ALWAYS thinking how to game the system. I work in IT, lol. We are constantly dealing with threat actors (mainly from China and Iran) trying to attack our systems. That's just a day at work, to me. You're just some lay person who thinks you even have a clue how to game these systems, lol. If I even remotely thought that gaming these systems was easy, I would not use them. You have been told that there is a problem that isn't actually there, and you believe it. I do not think for a second, you personally possess the expertise to know how to hack these systems (whether in person or mail-in) to achieve the goals you believe are so easy. Of the two ways of voting, I believe it is MUCH easier to trick the in-person process, than the mail-in one. At the in-person sites, you have a bunch of old people given a week of training, and that's about it. They are the initial gatekeepers, and they have no clue how threat actors could game the system. In that booth, it's just you and the machine, and if you know what you are doing, the possibility of hacking it is much more likely, than if you mailed that same ballot in. Get over yourself, noob. Freon You think IT expertise is needed to game this system lol. Let's say I am caring for my hypothetical elderly Aunt, who lives with me. She doesn't care about the election, has no thoughts at all about it, and I have access to all of her information. Could I vote for her? Would I need IT experience to do so? Would I have to hack something? Think beyond IT. You're always in a bubble that is filled with your own delusions of grandeur. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 23, 2024 19:05:02 GMT
You gotta read the whole sentence. I’m not young, yet I’m far too young to be responsible for it. I was simply highlighting, because I'm kind, that you're middle-aged. No doubt! But I feel like I'm 20. Just got a checkup. 174 total cholesterol. 2.0 ratio to HDLs. 114/75 BP. Get this. I eat 10 eggs every day. |
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Post by limey² on Oct 23, 2024 19:06:23 GMT
Very fast, very accurate reading. Cannot be changed. And stored forever. Machines are not for either party. Accurate count. Nothing to do with outer space or electronics that can invade. But people don't trust them, 'cos reasons. Look at the Fox -v- Dominion case. The best & simplest way is paper ballots, marked by hand, & counted by multi-partisan teams under auditable conditions. Peopke dumb enough to think Dominion were complicit in cheating will, of course, believe nonsense about vote cheating in paper ballots, too, but you can't fix stupidity. |
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Post by limey² on Oct 23, 2024 19:08:34 GMT
I was simply highlighting, because I'm kind, that you're middle-aged. No doubt! But I feel like I'm 20. Just got a checkup. 174 total cholesterol. 2.0 ratio to HDLs. 114/75 BP. Get this. I eat 10 eggs every day. My BP is 120/72! We were made for each other!!!! ..what kind of eggs? Those American ones, washed & refrigerated? Or proper ones from a farm, with hen poo on them? |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 23, 2024 19:10:34 GMT
No doubt! But I feel like I'm 20. Just got a checkup. 174 total cholesterol. 2.0 ratio to HDLs. 114/75 BP. Get this. I eat 10 eggs every day. My BP is 120/72! We were made for each other!!!! ..what kind of eggs? Those American ones, washed & refrigerated? Or proper ones from a farm, with hen poo on them? *squeal* Let's get an apartment together! Both. I buy as many as I can from a farmer I know, but he has other obligations. So I have to supplement from the allegedly "cage free, pasture raised" section at the grocery store. Just got 40 lbs of lamb from the farmer as well. Sweeeeeet. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 19:34:46 GMT
You have no idea what I'm thinking, so I'll just leave it at that. You've told me what you are thinking, and if you had asked, I would tell you that I'm ALWAYS thinking how to game the system. I work in IT, lol. We are constantly dealing with threat actors (mainly from China and Iran) trying to attack our systems. That's just a day at work, to me. You're just some lay person who thinks you even have a clue how to game these systems, lol. If I even remotely thought that gaming these systems was easy, I would not use them. You have been told that there is a problem that isn't actually there, and you believe it. I do not think for a second, you personally possess the expertise to know how to hack these systems (whether in person or mail-in) to achieve the goals you believe are so easy. Of the two ways of voting, I believe it is MUCH easier to trick the in-person process, than the mail-in one. At the in-person sites, you have a bunch of old people given a week of training, and that's about it. They are the initial gatekeepers, and they have no clue how threat actors could game the system. In that booth, it's just you and the machine, and if you know what you are doing, the possibility of hacking it is much more likely, than if you mailed that same ballot in. Get over yourself, noob. Freon You think IT expertise is needed to game this system lol. Let's say I am caring for my hypothetical elderly Aunt, who lives with me. She doesn't care about the election, has no thoughts at all about it, and I have access to all of her information. Could I vote for her? Would I need IT experience to do so? Would I have to hack something? Think beyond IT. You're always in a bubble that is filled with your own delusions of grandeur. You missed my point. You said that I'm not thinking about gaming the system, that only magical people like you are, and it is to that accusation alone that I responded. Because I am. And I agree, there are more ways to game the system than just IT, but YOU would only know of the non-IT ways. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 23, 2024 19:41:54 GMT
You missed my point. You said that I'm not thinking about gaming the system, that only magical people like you are, and it is to that accusation alone that I responded. Because I am. Your previous post was clear. You assumed I was thinking only in IT terms, because that's how you were thinking. I never said I'm magical. I only said you were obviously confined only to thinking in IT terms. You've created a straw man in a few different ways in this thread. And I agree, there are more ways to game the system than just IT, but YOU would only know of the non-IT ways. So what? When was this discussion solely about IT? Why bring up that you know more about IT in this conversation? It makes no sense. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Oct 23, 2024 20:08:06 GMT
I voted early today. Walked to the town hall, went up to the window, they asked my name and address, I gave it to them, they gave me a ballot, I marked it up, handed it back, farted and left. That's it. Nobody asked me for ID or proof of citizenship. Nothing. But then, I live in a Lilly white town where everybody makes phat cash. I get the discount card.
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Post by limey² on Oct 23, 2024 20:21:42 GMT
My BP is 120/72! We were made for each other!!!! ..what kind of eggs? Those American ones, washed & refrigerated? Or proper ones from a farm, with hen poo on them? *squeal* Let's get an apartment together! Both. I buy as many as I can from a farmer I know, but he has other obligations. So I have to supplement from the allegedly "cage free, pasture raised" section at the grocery store. Just got 40 lbs of lamb from the farmer as well. Sweeeeeet. Aaaah, lamb. Best meat of all? My grandma, like everyone's Welsh grandma, made the best imaginable cawl. Here's a near-enough version, but leave out the onions, add more leek & some celery, or she'll hunt you down from beyond the grave. Plus, she'd pan-fry the meat and dust it with plain flour first, to give some thickening. Not too much. And she'd add all the herbs from the herb patch, including mint. Late on in the cooking, obviously. She said "if people aren't complaining you put too much herbs in, you didn't put enough herbs in". No pepper. www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/cawl_92334Better after 24 hours in the fridge. Bread. Butter. Caerphilly or Cheshire cheese. Fucking hell I'm hungry. She was born during WW1 & didn't speak English until 1926 or so. Oh, don't "trim" the leeks, the coarse upper tough green bits are essential. |
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Post by thor on Oct 23, 2024 20:57:52 GMT
Say the machine says 100. When I put my ballot in the machine, it goes up to '101'. So it is telling you that you are the 101st to use that voting machine? Freon No. You fill out the ballot in a booth, take it to the machine, and put it in. The counter goes up by '1'. Thus, I know my ballot was counted. I live in a somewhat rural area, and my precinct is at a school - I only saw one machine every time I voted. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 23, 2024 21:02:06 GMT
You missed my point. You said that I'm not thinking about gaming the system, that only magical people like you are, and it is to that accusation alone that I responded. Because I am. Your previous post was clear. You assumed I was thinking only in IT terms, because that's how you were thinking. I never said I'm magical. I only said you were obviously confined only to thinking in IT terms. You've created a straw man in a few different ways in this thread. And I agree, there are more ways to game the system than just IT, but YOU would only know of the non-IT ways. So what? When was this discussion solely about IT? Why bring up that you know more about IT in this conversation? It makes no sense. This conversation, which I started, is about mail-in ballots being secure, and those who disagree with that. No argument you have made has shown that in-person is more secure than mail-in. You almost alluded to an example, but you never elaborated, and I have closed off any possible example from you that relates to IT, in anticipation of the inaccurate information being disseminated by Far Right media. Freon |
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