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Post by archie on Oct 19, 2024 22:41:31 GMT
Did anyone else here listen to Giggles (known as Harris) talk bad about the 1492 Columbus starting the settlement of the country, and how wrong it was to do that? And she thinks the open border is no problem for us now. Ummm, Columbus never made it to US soil, smarty. This is basic US history, archie, and you present yourself as a complete ignoramus in not knowing what most fourth graders would. Freon Well you better tell Giggles that I guess she is as dumb as me. I always knew that Columbus was not the first to know this continent was here. Ancient Greeks and other civilizations were here first. But none started a great settlement at that time. We were all taught that he discovered America in 1492. That was in grammar school. Much later the history of many discoveries were taught. And we were taught that a long time ago, Iceland got its name because it was truly frozen all over. Many different countries were traveling the ocean. And yes, in time the white race was destroying the American Indian way of life. I have to think that if it were possible. Columbus would have been a democrat. He was not a member of the Mafia. Who settled Mexico? Who settled Porto Rico? Who settled Canada? We are surrounded. Cuba too. Columbus was a 1492 democrat. And who is ruining the great continent called America today. Yep. The democrat party. Extremely a socialist party. |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 19, 2024 22:45:03 GMT
I have no idea where you got that hypothesis from, so I see no point in even commenting on it. What I DO know, and what you know too, is that it IS important to a great many Americans. You clearly do not understand why, and you clearly do not agree, but that does not magically negate its importance to so many. To take the stance that because it has no importance to you, that it SHOULD NOT to others, is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand because reality is too difficult for you. Our view of Columbus was only telling part of the story, and now that we know the other part, suddenly he's not the superhero he was made out to be in the history classes of the previous century. I, for one, am open to considering new information, and like any intelligent person, am obligated to adjust my views if the pre-existing ones are inaccurate. So I appreciate what Columbus did, but he is not someone I admire, not someone I cherish, and certainly not someone who deserves an entire day every year in his honor. To do so, would be honoring the OPPOSITE of what I, and most Americans, value. Why would you honor someone who did what he did? He was extraordinary. And flawed, when measured against today’s soft standards, as all men from then are flawed. Honoring the courage to do as he did, which led directly to the United States of America, is normal and grateful in the classic sense. Focusing on the flaws, the flaws he shared with everybody of his times, is extremely modern and ridiculous. And juvenile. Making a point with only Columbus with no other context and no other Medieval person holding such criticism, is the opposite of understanding history. It’s embracing soft modern thinking. It is foregoing perspective to virtue-preen. Hmmm, 'led directly to the United States of America'? Really? He landed in 1492, and we became a nation in 1776. That's almost 300 years later, lol. You call that 'directly'? I don't. There were MANY contributors to this nation who had FAR greater impact than Columbus. What is so special about this guy that you elevate to this huge pedestal? Risking his life to cross the ocean, where he completely mis predicted the size of the Earth, and by luck, found land before his ships were destroyed and/or they ran out of supplies? I suppose you could call that brave, but I consider it foolhardy. And his goal? Money and power, not exploration to expand the knowledge of humanity. If there was no money and power in it for him, he would have never set sail. That's the truth of it. I don't consider him a superhero, but I do appreciate his belief (that many had at the time) that the Earth is a sphere, and his willingness to risk everything to test it. He knew he would die, or be famous. Lucky for him, he found the Bahamas and became famous, but in the long run, he did not get his wealth and power. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Oct 19, 2024 22:48:52 GMT
Ummm, Columbus never made it to US soil, smarty. This is basic US history, archie, and you present yourself as a complete ignoramus in not knowing what most fourth graders would. Freon Well you better tell Giggles that I guess she is as dumb as me. I always knew that Columbus was not the first to know this continent was here. Ancient Greeks and other civilizations were here first. But none started a great settlement at that time. We were all taught that he discovered America in 1492. That was in grammar school. Much later the history of many discoveries were taught. And we were taught that a long time ago, Iceland got its name because it was truly frozen all over. Many different countries were traveling the ocean. And yes, in time the white race was destroying the American Indian way of life. I have to think that if it were possible. Columbus would have been a democrat. He was not a member of the Mafia. Who settled Mexico? Who settled Porto Rico? Who settled Canada? We are surrounded. Cuba too. Columbus was a 1492 democrat. And who is ruining the great continent called America today. Yep. The democrat party. Extremely a socialist party. Whatever drugs you are smoking, archie, WOW, they are powerful. I think I understand now, what your side means when they say, 'word salad'. I have no clue what you just said. It's like you put a whole bunch of words in a hat, dumped it out, and whatever order they landed in, you wrote it down in this post. Freon |
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Post by archie on Oct 19, 2024 22:55:30 GMT
The settlement of the country? What? Remind me - when was Columbus in North America? I don't remember. But it was after 1492. That should be fixed for history lessons. |
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Post by archie on Oct 19, 2024 23:05:58 GMT
Well you better tell Giggles that I guess she is as dumb as me. I always knew that Columbus was not the first to know this continent was here. Ancient Greeks and other civilizations were here first. But none started a great settlement at that time. We were all taught that he discovered America in 1492. That was in grammar school. Much later the history of many discoveries were taught. And we were taught that a long time ago, Iceland got its name because it was truly frozen all over. Many different countries were traveling the ocean. And yes, in time the white race was destroying the American Indian way of life. I have to think that if it were possible. Columbus would have been a democrat. He was not a member of the Mafia. Who settled Mexico? Who settled Porto Rico? Who settled Canada? We are surrounded. Cuba too. Columbus was a 1492 democrat. And who is ruining the great continent called America today. Yep. The democrat party. Extremely a socialist party. Whatever drugs you are smoking, archie, WOW, they are powerful. I think I understand now, what your side means when they say, 'word salad'. I have no clue what you just said. It's like you put a whole bunch of words in a hat, dumped it out, and whatever order they landed in, you wrote it down in this post. Freon I know that in ancient history, many were here before Columbus. So what? What do you want me to say? I tell you that you are stupid now. Your country is being destroyed right under your nose. And you keep blaming the wrong guy for it. You and many others that can’t see the obvious is beyond what I can believe. I know there are many people with mental problems. But most here are not stupid. I have to think that somehow they are just a democrat addict. And they are hurting themselves and others just like any serious drug addict. I hope you all wake up before the next vote. Our country is going to hell through socialism. Do you all here understand socialism? |
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Post by archie on Oct 19, 2024 23:06:24 GMT
Bye. Going to watch some TV with my dogs.
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 19, 2024 23:11:52 GMT
Pol Pot murdered millions.. .
(That was not just a historical fact.. I simply felt like being morally superior again.. Forgive me .. ) 
When was that? What else did he do? Any earth-changing discoveries that impacted billions in a positive way? Hitler was a painter... Some of his paintings are still traded in some circles. I guess that makes him redeemable to you... |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 19, 2024 23:15:48 GMT
I have no idea where you got that hypothesis from, so I see no point in even commenting on it. What I DO know, and what you know too, is that it IS important to a great many Americans. You clearly do not understand why, and you clearly do not agree, but that does not magically negate its importance to so many. To take the stance that because it has no importance to you, that it SHOULD NOT to others, is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand because reality is too difficult for you. Our view of Columbus was only telling part of the story, and now that we know the other part, suddenly he's not the superhero he was made out to be in the history classes of the previous century. I, for one, am open to considering new information, and like any intelligent person, am obligated to adjust my views if the pre-existing ones are inaccurate. So I appreciate what Columbus did, but he is not someone I admire, not someone I cherish, and certainly not someone who deserves an entire day every year in his honor. To do so, would be honoring the OPPOSITE of what I, and most Americans, value. Why would you honor someone who did what he did? He was extraordinary. And flawed, when measured against today’s soft standards, as all men from then are flawed. Honoring the courage to do as he did, which led directly to the United States of America, is normal and grateful in the classic sense. Focusing on the flaws, the flaws he shared with everybody of his times, is extremely modern and ridiculous. And juvenile. Making a point with only Columbus with no other context and no other Medieval person holding such criticism, is the opposite of understanding history. It’s embracing soft modern thinking. It is foregoing perspective to virtue-preen. He organized massacres, you son of a bitch! That's not something you can just shrug off, you worthless piece of shit! |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 19, 2024 23:18:16 GMT
The settlement of the country? What? Remind me - when was Columbus in North America? I don't remember. But it was after 1492. That should be fixed for history lessons. He was never there alive, and I doubt his remains spent any time there either, you imbecile! |
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Post by HolyMoly on Oct 19, 2024 23:18:30 GMT
There are very few unique things, but I can't think of another first world country
where the government has a national holiday for a mass killer. Maybe there is
one. USA! USA!
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 19, 2024 23:24:31 GMT
The settlement of the country? What? Remind me - when was Columbus in North America? I don't remember. But it was after 1492. That should be fixed for history lessons. He was never here, stupid. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 19, 2024 23:43:22 GMT
He was extraordinary. And flawed, when measured against today’s soft standards, as all men from then are flawed. Honoring the courage to do as he did, which led directly to the United States of America, is normal and grateful in the classic sense. Focusing on the flaws, the flaws he shared with everybody of his times, is extremely modern and ridiculous. And juvenile. Making a point with only Columbus with no other context and no other Medieval person holding such criticism, is the opposite of understanding history. It’s embracing soft modern thinking. It is foregoing perspective to virtue-preen. Hmmm, 'led directly to the United States of America'? Really? He landed in 1492, and we became a nation in 1776. That's almost 300 years later, lol. You call that 'directly'? Yes. It is direct. Obviously. There is no version of historical steps leading to the United States of America that doesn’t include Columbus sailing across the Atlantic. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 19, 2024 23:44:26 GMT
When was that? What else did he do? Any earth-changing discoveries that impacted billions in a positive way? Hitler was a painter... Some of his paintings are still traded in some circles. I guess that makes him redeemable to you... You’re comparing some paintings to giving the old world the knowledge of the new world. That’s truly incredible. I’m so glad you’re a part of this forum. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 19, 2024 23:45:33 GMT
He was extraordinary. And flawed, when measured against today’s soft standards, as all men from then are flawed. Honoring the courage to do as he did, which led directly to the United States of America, is normal and grateful in the classic sense. Focusing on the flaws, the flaws he shared with everybody of his times, is extremely modern and ridiculous. And juvenile. Making a point with only Columbus with no other context and no other Medieval person holding such criticism, is the opposite of understanding history. It’s embracing soft modern thinking. It is foregoing perspective to virtue-preen. He organized massacres, you son of a bitch! That's not something you can just shrug off, you worthless piece of shit! Yes I can. Partly because it was over 500 years ago. Any other medieval figures you look at with such disdain? Was he the very worst monster of his time? Why? Do you spend any time criticizing France for Charlemagne Day, even after the Massacre of Verden? Now calm down. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 20, 2024 0:27:27 GMT
He organized massacres, you son of a bitch! That's not something you can just shrug off, you worthless piece of shit! Yes I can. Partly because it was over 500 years ago. Any other medieval figures you look at with such disdain? Was he the very worst monster of his time? Why? Do you spend any time criticizing France for Charlemagne Day, even after the Massacre of Verden? Now calm down. I don't know of any "charlemagne day", you imbecile. |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 20, 2024 0:38:55 GMT
He organized massacres, you son of a bitch! That's not something you can just shrug off, you worthless piece of shit! Yes I can. Partly because it was over 500 years ago. Any other medieval figures you look at with such disdain? Was he the very worst monster of his time? Why? Do you spend any time criticizing France for Charlemagne Day, even after the Massacre of Verden? Now calm down. It's not a national holiday in France. Here, Columbus Day was, which never made one bit of sense. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 20, 2024 0:42:28 GMT
Yes I can. Partly because it was over 500 years ago. Any other medieval figures you look at with such disdain? Was he the very worst monster of his time? Why? Do you spend any time criticizing France for Charlemagne Day, even after the Massacre of Verden? Now calm down. It's not a national holiday in France. Here, Columbus Day was, which never made one bit of sense. One bit? Lol. Of course it did. Don’t be dramatic like the rest of them, shaking your fist at people from an entirely different time. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 20, 2024 0:44:42 GMT
Yes I can. Partly because it was over 500 years ago. Any other medieval figures you look at with such disdain? Was he the very worst monster of his time? Why? Do you spend any time criticizing France for Charlemagne Day, even after the Massacre of Verden? Now calm down. I don't know of any "charlemagne day", you imbecile. You’re an immigrant to France, aren’t you? |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 20, 2024 0:52:53 GMT
It's not a national holiday in France. Here, Columbus Day was, which never made one bit of sense. One bit? Lol. Of course it did. Don’t be dramatic like the rest of them, shaking your fist at people from an entirely different time. He never stepped foot here. I mean, let's ignore the murdering and ear cutting off and raping and starving and enslaving - the guy never stepped foot in North America Fuck his holiday. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 20, 2024 0:55:53 GMT
One bit? Lol. Of course it did. Don’t be dramatic like the rest of them, shaking your fist at people from an entirely different time. He never stepped foot here. I mean, let's ignore the murdering and ear cutting off and raping and starving and enslaving - the guy never stepped foot in North America Fuck his holiday. The Caribbean Islands are part of the Americas. The new world. What continent do you think they belong to? |
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