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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 21, 2024 14:35:44 GMT
I think it’s both. The government has trained the people to think GDP is the be-all and end-all of how the country is doing. GDP goes up! Things are great! Even as huge sections of the country are hollowed out. But yes. I think importing people who vote predominantly Democrat eventually is the other side of it. And there is the Republican side as well, who favor cheap labor for their corporate donors. Even as they pretend to be outraged by the immigration. Yes! It is crazy when other areas of our country are hollowed out. Those areas being in red states. Hey, what ever happened to the monies stolen and given to Brett Farve Mississippi? apnews.com/article/brett-favre-mississippi-welfare-money-nfl-59d5047f9e8b1cd6055f13697eea7027Oh my a Brett Favre article. I don't know how I'm going to be able to recover from that.
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Post by sokpupet on Oct 21, 2024 14:43:40 GMT
Oh my a Brett Favre article. I don't know how I'm going to be able to recover from that. You will get over it. It’s called cognitive dissonance.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 21, 2024 14:51:01 GMT
Oh my a Brett Favre article. I don't know how I'm going to be able to recover from that. You will get over it. It’s called cognitive dissonance. What are the two conflicting thoughts that I'm holding simultaneously, and what does Brett Favre have to do with any of this? Lol.
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 21, 2024 15:42:52 GMT
Yeah, they get jobs, work hard and mind their own business Our mediocrities on this thread are terrified of being minorities in a few decades. Why? Are minorities treated badly here in the US? Good point. They are afraid of losing their white supremacy They don’t even realize that it is too late. 23% of Americans are mixed race
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Post by petep on Oct 21, 2024 18:24:08 GMT
I disagree on point one. Of course that's unsustainable in the long run. Eventually our population starts to shrink as well, and the dreaded reduction of GDP occurs anyway. Probably good to start investigating why birth rates are dropping so precipitously everywhere. Your last point is the obvious one. And anyone who has been paying attention where this has happened knows the answers. The left is the one pushing not solving this. Cost of living too high - taxes too high Family not encouraged or thought of as positive (see Black Lives Matter initiatives - end the tradition of nuclear family) Fake reason to open borders - we need people (as long as they tend to vote democrat). Recall Cuban asylum seekers were shut down. Testosterone levels are a fraction of what they were 50 years ago as are semen levels due to pesticides and herbicides in food, processed food and lifestyle.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 21, 2024 20:32:49 GMT
I disagree on point one. Of course that's unsustainable in the long run. Eventually our population starts to shrink as well, and the dreaded reduction of GDP occurs anyway. Probably good to start investigating why birth rates are dropping so precipitously everywhere. Your last point is the obvious one. And anyone who has been paying attention where this has happened knows the answers. The left is the one pushing not solving this. Cost of living too high - taxes too high Family not encouraged or thought of as positive (see Black Lives Matter initiatives - end the tradition of nuclear family) Fake reason to open borders - we need people (as long as they tend to vote democrat). Recall Cuban asylum seekers were shut down. Testosterone levels are a fraction of what they were 50 years ago as are semen levels due to pesticides and herbicides in food, processed food and lifestyle. I just can't understand how a real solution to prevent a declining population is opening doors to foreigners from countries where the population is also declining. Why are populations declining? Seems to be a question only those right-of-center ask. And we have Fiddler on this board openly stating that it is only outside of the home and not raising children that women can "participate in the world". Mothers who raise their children aren't participating! They're just "life support systems for a vagina"! You could have some other lady at a daycare spend her time raising your children along with a dozen others, so you can go and work at a cubicle. And then you can "participate in the world!" It's disgusting where we're at. Men openly belittle mothers raising their children as a waste of time and/or slavery, and pretend they're the open-minded ones. Lol. We're manufacturing cat-ladies by telling women that what men do (usually at a fairly mundane job that the man still earns satisfaction from achieving a noble purpose by providing for a family) is glorious and what women have historically done is meaningless and shallow.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 21, 2024 20:35:17 GMT
Our mediocrities on this thread are terrified of being minorities in a few decades. Why? Are minorities treated badly here in the US? Good point. They are afraid of losing their white supremacy They don’t even realize that it is too late. 23% of Americans are mixed race OH MY GOSH YOU AND THOR JUST WANT COMMUNISM AND TO TRANS ALL THE KIDS. GOT'EM.
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Post by thor on Oct 21, 2024 22:25:19 GMT
Good point. They are afraid of losing their white supremacy They don’t even realize that it is too late. 23% of Americans are mixed race OH MY GOSH YOU AND THOR JUST WANT COMMUNISM AND TO TRANS ALL THE KIDS. GOT'EM. Are minorities treated badly here in the US?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 21, 2024 23:12:11 GMT
OH MY GOSH YOU AND THOR JUST WANT COMMUNISM AND TO TRANS ALL THE KIDS. GOT'EM. Are minorities treated badly here in the US? Broadly? No. And compared to what, exactly? Why are so many non-white people risking life and limb to come here? Are there crimes against individuals? Yes.
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 21, 2024 23:53:37 GMT
I disagree on point one. Of course that's unsustainable in the long run. Eventually our population starts to shrink as well, and the dreaded reduction of GDP occurs anyway. Probably good to start investigating why birth rates are dropping so precipitously everywhere. Couldn't we top off with a little immigration? I know we are below replacement but it's not that far. Sure, long-run, 500-1000 years down the line, maybe we run into an issue. I think a great deal of the explanation is tied to the drop in teen pregnancies, and folks in their 20's delaying having kids until their 30s. Another part is economic, it's expensive to have kids, and we have long known that people have fewer kids as nations develop.
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 22, 2024 0:14:10 GMT
Good point. They are afraid of losing their white supremacy They don’t even realize that it is too late. 23% of Americans are mixed race OH MY GOSH YOU AND THOR JUST WANT COMMUNISM AND TO TRANS ALL THE KIDS. GOT'EM. OH MY GOSH. YOU JUST WANT A NASTY MAN THAT TALKS ABOUT DICKS AND PUSSY AND CALLS HIS OPPONENT SHIT AT A RALLY TO BE PRESIDENT. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN. WOULD YOU TAKE YOUR CHILDREN TO A TRUMP RALLY. I would rather take my child to a drag queen story hour
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 22, 2024 0:20:39 GMT
I disagree on point one. Of course that's unsustainable in the long run. Eventually our population starts to shrink as well, and the dreaded reduction of GDP occurs anyway. Probably good to start investigating why birth rates are dropping so precipitously everywhere. Couldn't we top off with a little immigration? I know we are below replacement but it's not that far. Sure, long-run, 500-1000 years down the line, maybe we run into an issue. I think a great deal of the explanation is tied to the drop in teen pregnancies, and folks in their 20's delaying having kids until their 30s. Another part is economic, it's expensive to have kids, and we have long known that people have fewer kids as nations develop. You’re assuming birth rates will stay where they are now and not continue to slide? Korea and Japan are going to have serious issues long before 500-1000 years out. Saying women are having kids later in life is really just reframing the question. Why? Is it all economic? And if so, do we expect that to get better? Is it harder to live in your 20s now than it was 100 years ago? 300 years ago? And saying birth rates drop as nations develop is true, but do we know where that ends? So is that helping at all?
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 22, 2024 0:25:33 GMT
Couldn't we top off with a little immigration? I know we are below replacement but it's not that far. Sure, long-run, 500-1000 years down the line, maybe we run into an issue. I think a great deal of the explanation is tied to the drop in teen pregnancies, and folks in their 20's delaying having kids until their 30s. Another part is economic, it's expensive to have kids, and we have long known that people have fewer kids as nations develop. You’re assuming birth rates will stay where they are now and not continue to slide? Korea and Japan are going to have serious issues long before 500-1000 years out. Saying women are having kids later in life is really just reframing the question. Why? Is it all economic? And if so, do we expect that to get better? Is it harder to live in your 20s now than it was 100 years ago? 300 years ago? And saying birth rates drop as nations develop is true, but do we know where that ends? So is that helping at all? Immigration is the solution
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 22, 2024 0:32:38 GMT
You’re assuming birth rates will stay where they are now and not continue to slide? Korea and Japan are going to have serious issues long before 500-1000 years out. Saying women are having kids later in life is really just reframing the question. Why? Is it all economic? And if so, do we expect that to get better? Is it harder to live in your 20s now than it was 100 years ago? 300 years ago? And saying birth rates drop as nations develop is true, but do we know where that ends? So is that helping at all? Immigration is the solution That’s just a programmed response. That’s not a long term solution. Birth rates are collapsing pretty much everywhere. Why is there no curiosity as to why? And what can be done to reverse course?
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Post by bama beau on Oct 22, 2024 0:35:13 GMT
Why aren't crashing birth rates a good thing?
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 22, 2024 0:40:10 GMT
Couldn't we top off with a little immigration? I know we are below replacement but it's not that far. Sure, long-run, 500-1000 years down the line, maybe we run into an issue. I think a great deal of the explanation is tied to the drop in teen pregnancies, and folks in their 20's delaying having kids until their 30s. Another part is economic, it's expensive to have kids, and we have long known that people have fewer kids as nations develop. You’re assuming birth rates will stay where they are now and not continue to slide? Korea and Japan are going to have serious issues long before 500-1000 years out. Saying women are having kids later in life is really just reframing the question. Why? Is it all economic? And if so, do we expect that to get better? Is it harder to live in your 20s now than it was 100 years ago? 300 years ago? And saying birth rates drop as nations develop is true, but do we know where that ends? So is that helping at all? I agree about Korea and Japan but the US has much better demographics. It wouldn't take much to get us to replacement levels. Why are women having kids later? Probably because they are busy doing other things like working or going to school. I think there is more emphasis put on women finding fulfillment outside of motherhood. It's not all economic. Some of it is, of course. I have an idea its far easier today than 100 or 200 years ago, economically, which plays into why people are having fewer kids. There's two effects to consider. The fact we are wealthier explains why we have fewer kids today- we don't need them as sources of labor or income for the family. But then the other story is also a factor- the cost of living is high and people are squeezed and can't afford to start a family as easily as say someone in 70s could. Housing is a big part of that story. Where it all ends, I don't pretend to know but I do believe immigration is part of the solution, or mitigation effort.
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 22, 2024 0:40:42 GMT
Why aren't crashing birth rates a good thing? Its economic primarily. It collapses aggregate demand, which collapses investment and real wages.
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 22, 2024 1:13:25 GMT
Immigration is the solution That’s just a programmed response. That’s not a long term solution. Birth rates are collapsing pretty much everywhere. Why is there no curiosity as to why? And what can be done to reverse course? I know the reasons why. So what are you gonna do about them. Do you want teen pregnancy to rise? I doubt that. Do you want to force women in their 20s to have babies give up their careers and live on the government . Do you want shot gun weddings forcing young men to be husbands and fathers when they don’t want to? I doubt that. Our culture is changing and there is nothing you can do about it. Women don’t want to spend their entire lives raising children.
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Post by bama beau on Oct 22, 2024 1:28:17 GMT
Why aren't crashing birth rates a good thing? Its economic primarily. It collapses aggregate demand, which collapses investment and real wages. I'd welcome less stress on the planet.
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Post by MojoJojo on Oct 22, 2024 1:53:09 GMT
Why aren't crashing birth rates a good thing? The scheme we've inherited demands growth. Gotta pump them numbers! Growth 'till we've burned and eaten it all. What's the downside?!
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