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Post by Greg55_99 on Sept 27, 2024 16:15:43 GMT
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 27, 2024 16:23:29 GMT
Putin thought his bot army would insure a 2020 Trump win and then having no US support, Ukraine would fall easily .. ..
Should, Gwad forbid, the Orange Turd win.. he'll give his buddy Putin the OK to take it all ..
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Post by petep on Sept 27, 2024 19:02:09 GMT
I guess we’d have to look back at Putin’s actions against Ukraine when Obama-Biden were running the show, then trump-pence, and the Biden-Harris
Map out the level of conflict/attacks against Ukraine during each us leadership time.
It sure would be nice to return to the relative worldwide calm we had under trump-pence.
Look around the planet now under Biden-Harris. Every authoritarian under the sun is having a field day.
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Post by demos on Sept 27, 2024 19:07:47 GMT
Does anybody believe him? No one can make a quick deal, primarily because the two states involved are not ready to do so. And even once they are ready to make a deal, that won't be quick either; there's too much to hash out. |
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Post by jimmy6 on Sept 27, 2024 20:05:02 GMT
...trump's Latest Sickening Stunt: Zelensky Press Conference Goes Off the Rails... ...WE are not concerned at this point. Trump will not win in Roevember. "This is now Clear". Harris and NATO will Continue Unwavering Support for Ukraine. For those Naysayer's here on LNF I will be here November 6th to Rub Your Nose In My Shit...  |
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Post by CadesCove on Sept 27, 2024 20:10:37 GMT
I guess we’d have to look back at Putin’s actions against Ukraine when Obama-Biden were running the show, then trump-pence, and the Biden-Harris Map out the level of conflict/attacks against Ukraine during each us leadership time. It sure would be nice to return to the relative worldwide calm we had under trump-pence. Look around the planet now under Biden-Harris. Every authoritarian under the sun is having a field day. You mean when Putin was making his war plans, amassing his troops and material and staging them under trump's nose? |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 28, 2024 1:04:01 GMT
I guess we’d have to look back at Putin’s actions against Ukraine when Obama-Biden were running the show, then trump-pence, and the Biden-Harris Map out the level of conflict/attacks against Ukraine during each us leadership time. It sure would be nice to return to the relative worldwide calm we had under trump-pence. Look around the planet now under Biden-Harris. Every authoritarian under the sun is having a field day. You mean when Putin was making his war plans, amassing his troops and material and staging them under trump's nose? That happened while Biden was President. Instead of giving Ukraine the support they needed BEFORE the invasion... Biden waited until after to start giving them more. Nothing was under anyone's nose. The whole world watched as Putin massed his troops while Biden was President. |
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Post by greebnurt on Sept 28, 2024 1:11:45 GMT
I guess we’d have to look back at Putin’s actions against Ukraine when Obama-Biden were running the show, then trump-pence, and the Biden-Harris Map out the level of conflict/attacks against Ukraine during each us leadership time. It sure would be nice to return to the relative worldwide calm we had under trump-pence. Look around the planet now under Biden-Harris. Every authoritarian under the sun is having a field day. This is a child like view of what's actually going on. Or hyper partisan. Take your pick. |
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Post by petep on Sept 28, 2024 2:58:18 GMT
You mean when Putin was making his war plans, amassing his troops and material and staging them under trump's nose? That happened while Biden was President. Instead of giving Ukraine the support they needed BEFORE the invasion... Biden waited until after to start giving them more. Nothing was under anyone's nose. The whole world watched as Putin massed his troops while Biden was President. Cades is an ignorant fool if he actually believes that’s what happened |
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Post by bama beau on Sept 28, 2024 4:55:27 GMT
I guess we’d have to look back at Putin’s actions against Ukraine when Obama-Biden were running the show, then trump-pence, and the Biden-Harris Map out the level of conflict/attacks against Ukraine during each us leadership time. It sure would be nice to return to the relative worldwide calm we had under trump-pence. Look around the planet now under Biden-Harris. Every authoritarian under the sun is having a field day. You mean when Putin was making his war plans, amassing his troops and material and staging them under trump's nose? To be fair, trumP wasn't just sitting around while all of that was happening. No, he was playing golf and defanging NATO while Putin was amassing troops and materiel and money. As well as withholding aid while extorting Ukraine. |
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Post by CadesCove on Sept 28, 2024 5:15:37 GMT
You mean when Putin was making his war plans, amassing his troops and material and staging them under trump's nose? To be fair, trumP wasn't just sitting around while all of that was happening. No, he was playing golf and defanging NATO while Putin was amassing troops and material and money. As well as withholding aid while extorting Ukraine. And the wingnuts believe Putin woke up one morning in the spring of 2021 and thought it'd be a good time to invade Ukraine. "Hey, let's do that!" |
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Post by RWB on Sept 28, 2024 5:28:42 GMT
That happened while Biden was President. Instead of giving Ukraine the support they needed BEFORE the invasion... Biden waited until after to start giving them more. Nothing was under anyone's nose. The whole world watched as Putin massed his troops while Biden was President. Cades is an ignorant fool if he actually believes that’s what happened he's an ignorant fool always has been always will be. |
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Post by CadesCove on Sept 28, 2024 5:43:57 GMT
Cades is an ignorant fool if he actually believes that’s what happened he's an ignorant fool always has been always will be. You're a sad specimen, what are you always trying to compensate for, mommy issues? Did you get my gift?  |
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Post by bama beau on Sept 28, 2024 6:10:13 GMT
he's an ignorant fool always has been always will be. You're a sad specimen, what are you always trying to compensate for, mommy issues? Did you get my gift? That's so unfair. How would he even know? |
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 28, 2024 7:43:38 GMT
To be fair, trumP wasn't just sitting around while all of that was happening. No, he was playing golf and defanging NATO while Putin was amassing troops and material and money. As well as withholding aid while extorting Ukraine. And the wingnuts believe Putin woke up one morning in the spring of 2021 and thought it'd be a good time to invade Ukraine. "Hey, let's do that!" Lol no of course not. They saw weakness and planned their assault. Russians didn't start amassing troops on the Ukrainian border until spring 2021 while Biden was President. In December 2021 they literally told everyone what they were going to do unless an agreement was made about US troops and weapons (NATO) in Ukraine. They were ignored. In Febuary 2022 they did an open invasion. That's all on Biden's watch. Nothing to do with Trump. One would think that if Trump was Putin's lackey that he would have done it maybe a year or two earlier. I mean if I were a former intelligence officer leading a massive country and had my boy as the only opposition but he's my boy and has my back that would be the perfect time to do whatever I wanted but alas I for whatever reason chose to wait for the senile messiah....hmmm |
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Post by petep on Sept 28, 2024 13:05:14 GMT
And the wingnuts believe Putin woke up one morning in the spring of 2021 and thought it'd be a good time to invade Ukraine. "Hey, let's do that!" Lol no of course not. They saw weakness and planned their assault. Russians didn't start amassing troops on the Ukrainian border until spring 2021 while Biden was President. In December 2021 they literally told everyone what they were going to do unless an agreement was made about US troops and weapons (NATO) in Ukraine. They were ignored. In Febuary 2022 they did an open invasion. That's all on Biden's watch. Nothing to do with Trump. One would think that if Trump was Putin's lackey that he would have done it maybe a year or two earlier. I mean if I were a former intelligence officer leading a massive country and had my boy as the only opposition but he's my boy and has my back that would be the perfect time to do whatever I wanted but alas I for whatever reason chose to wait for the senile messiah....hmmm All of what you wrote is well documented and known On this forum I often wonder. Do people come here to genuinely debate and discuss and learn. Or are people just taking on the debate hat or atty hat and no matter what the truth or evidence is, they simply stick to their candidate. I for example have acknowledged trump was an idiot to say take the guns first. I said he gets a d or f on environment. He sucked at the recent debate. He could have done much better. But on the whole I think he is the better candidate. But this thread is a great example. Everyone knows when run has made his moves. Yet the other side is creating some alternate reality, simply making up garbage to support his position. Why? |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Sept 28, 2024 13:55:31 GMT
Lol no of course not. They saw weakness and planned their assault. Russians didn't start amassing troops on the Ukrainian border until spring 2021 while Biden was President. In December 2021 they literally told everyone what they were going to do unless an agreement was made about US troops and weapons (NATO) in Ukraine. They were ignored. In Febuary 2022 they did an open invasion. That's all on Biden's watch. Nothing to do with Trump. One would think that if Trump was Putin's lackey that he would have done it maybe a year or two earlier. I mean if I were a former intelligence officer leading a massive country and had my boy as the only opposition but he's my boy and has my back that would be the perfect time to do whatever I wanted but alas I for whatever reason chose to wait for the senile messiah....hmmm All of what you wrote is well documented and known On this forum I often wonder. Do people come here to genuinely debate and discuss and learn. Or are people just taking on the debate hat or atty hat and no matter what the truth or evidence is, they simply stick to their candidate. I for example have acknowledged trump was an idiot to say take the guns first. I said he gets a d or f on environment. He sucked at the recent debate. He could have done much better. But on the whole I think he is the better candidate. But this thread is a great example. Everyone knows when run has made his moves. Yet the other side is creating some alternate reality, simply making up garbage to support his position. Why? Trump tried to shake down Zelensky to get dirt on Joe Biden and got impeached for it. Greg |
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Post by limey² on Sept 28, 2024 14:07:26 GMT
Only morons, unless they recognise that by "quick deal" he means "fuck Ukraine over". |
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Post by thor on Sept 28, 2024 20:54:54 GMT
I guess we’d have to look back at Putin’s actions against Ukraine when Obama-Biden were running the show, then trump-pence, and the Biden-Harris Map out the level of conflict/attacks against Ukraine during each us leadership time. It sure would be nice to return to the relative worldwide calm we had under trump-pence. Look around the planet now under Biden-Harris. Every authoritarian under the sun is having a field day. What was Trump's response to the Kerch Straits incident....? Oh yeah....  |
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Post by thor on Sept 28, 2024 20:56:32 GMT
And the wingnuts believe Putin woke up one morning in the spring of 2021 and thought it'd be a good time to invade Ukraine. "Hey, let's do that!" Lol no of course not. They saw weakness and planned their assault. Russians didn't start amassing troops on the Ukrainian border until spring 2021 while Biden was President. In December 2021 they literally told everyone what they were going to do unless an agreement was made about US troops and weapons (NATO) in Ukraine. They were ignored. In Febuary 2022 they did an open invasion. That's all on Biden's watch. Nothing to do with Trump. One would think that if Trump was Putin's lackey that he would have done it maybe a year or two earlier. I mean if I were a former intelligence officer leading a massive country and had my boy as the only opposition but he's my boy and has my back that would be the perfect time to do whatever I wanted but alas I for whatever reason chose to wait for the senile messiah....hmmm |
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