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Post by Paleocon on Sept 20, 2024 19:33:59 GMT
So, if we don't play the game so that it results in a victory for you, you just take your ball and go home? Are you this immature IRL?
You made the assertion that context and information were missing, yet retreated from the simple request for you to back up that assertion.
That cast doubt on your honesty on this forum, especially with your reputation for running away every time we challenge you.
An honest man will back up what he posts and answer the challenges to his ideas, regardless whether or not an opponent is convinced.
You do not get to define what honesty looks like, Paleo, and as I have not lied ever in here, my own opinion on that subject is self-evident. I'm a pragmatic person by nature, so I do not waste time or play games, when cutting straight to the point is available to me. You, and your far right buddies, refuse to be convinced by the evidence you are asking me to produce, so what is the point in trying? That you even suggest that you are amenable to being convinced, and therefore trying on my part is worthwhile, is DISHONEST. So dishonest. No, your strategy, and the strategy of your far right peers, is to keep those who DO have the truth, TRYING to convince you. Your news agencies, your pastors, and your leaders, all have nicely conditioned you to do this. As long as you can keep the other side trying and trying, you've 'won', because you are wasting their time, and they are not wise to it. But I am. So you will NEVER succeed in that tactic with me. And I'm telling you this because I am totally confident that even though you know, there is nothing you can do about it. You operate by MY rules when we communicate, and YOU are not the wiser to it. That's what I mean when I say I've trained you. I'm actually using the same exact techniques your own authoritative sources do. Freon I never suggested that I was "amenable to being convinced". How can you claim to be honest when that statement from you was dishonest?
And it's dishonest to claim that you've "cut straight to the point" when you've done nothing of the kind. YOU made some empty mention of more context and information about the Teamsters polling. When I challenged you to GET TO THE POINT, you fled.
You couldn't find the truth if you had both hands free and the facts were glued to your backside. We need convincing because you're wrong and we can prove that to you. That's why you don't engage; it has nothing to do with the fiction that you posted above.
Your "rules" make you look stupid, weak and frightened; if that's the look you were after, you have succeeded. You're a know it all that's afraid of any challenge that might demonstrate otherwise. And I'm standing by to give you a demonstration.
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 20, 2024 19:34:43 GMT
....let's see what you've got.
Facts .. Same thing I've always used to kick your slaver ass ..
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Post by freonbale on Sept 20, 2024 19:48:14 GMT
You do not get to define what honesty looks like, Paleo, and as I have not lied ever in here, my own opinion on that subject is self-evident. I'm a pragmatic person by nature, so I do not waste time or play games, when cutting straight to the point is available to me. You, and your far right buddies, refuse to be convinced by the evidence you are asking me to produce, so what is the point in trying? That you even suggest that you are amenable to being convinced, and therefore trying on my part is worthwhile, is DISHONEST. So dishonest. No, your strategy, and the strategy of your far right peers, is to keep those who DO have the truth, TRYING to convince you. Your news agencies, your pastors, and your leaders, all have nicely conditioned you to do this. As long as you can keep the other side trying and trying, you've 'won', because you are wasting their time, and they are not wise to it. But I am. So you will NEVER succeed in that tactic with me. And I'm telling you this because I am totally confident that even though you know, there is nothing you can do about it. You operate by MY rules when we communicate, and YOU are not the wiser to it. That's what I mean when I say I've trained you. I'm actually using the same exact techniques your own authoritative sources do. Freon I never suggested that I was "amenable to being convinced". How can you claim to be honest when that statement from you was dishonest?
And it's dishonest to claim that you've "cut straight to the point" when you've done nothing of the kind. YOU made some empty mention of more context and information about the Teamsters polling. When I challenged you to GET TO THE POINT, you fled.
You couldn't find the truth if you had both hands free and the facts were glued to your backside. We need convincing because you're wrong and we can prove that to you. That's why you don't engage; it has nothing to do with the fiction that you posted above.
Your "rules" make you look stupid, weak and frightened; if that's the look you were after, you have succeeded. You're a know it all that's afraid of any challenge that might demonstrate otherwise. And I'm standing by to give you a demonstration.
What I truly love about having you, and your far right peers, as the other side of the conversation, is that I can tell you exactly what I'm doing, literally give you all the information you need to see my strategy and tactics, and yet you STILL are incapable of realizing what is happening, or doing anything about it. So continue to call me names, to describe me in, I guess, ways that would offend someone like you, they have no impact on me. That's not how to insult me, and you and your comrades have yet to figure out how to do so. I welcome your demonstrations, Paleo. If you feel you are accomplishing what you wish with me, then I guess we both win, right? I KNOW I am accomplishing what I want with you. Freon |
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 20, 2024 19:51:40 GMT
Facts .. Same thing I've always used to kick your slaver ass ..
Let's see 'em then, boy, or just go ahead and admit you're a liar. You've been given the facts .. But facts are of no use to far-right fools ..
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 20, 2024 20:13:49 GMT
I never suggested that I was "amenable to being convinced". How can you claim to be honest when that statement from you was dishonest?
And it's dishonest to claim that you've "cut straight to the point" when you've done nothing of the kind. YOU made some empty mention of more context and information about the Teamsters polling. When I challenged you to GET TO THE POINT, you fled.
You couldn't find the truth if you had both hands free and the facts were glued to your backside. We need convincing because you're wrong and we can prove that to you. That's why you don't engage; it has nothing to do with the fiction that you posted above.
Your "rules" make you look stupid, weak and frightened; if that's the look you were after, you have succeeded. You're a know it all that's afraid of any challenge that might demonstrate otherwise. And I'm standing by to give you a demonstration.
What I truly love about having you, and your far right peers, as the other side of the conversation, is that I can tell you exactly what I'm doing, literally give you all the information you need to see my strategy and tactics, and yet you STILL are incapable of realizing what is happening, or doing anything about it. So continue to call me names, to describe me in, I guess, ways that would offend someone like you, they have no impact on me. That's not how to insult me, and you and your comrades have yet to figure out how to do so. I welcome your demonstrations, Paleo. If you feel you are accomplishing what you wish with me, then I guess we both win, right? I KNOW I am accomplishing what I want with you. Freon I'm not trying to insult you, I'm correcting you and you don't even realize it.
Are you telling us that you actually have a strategy and tactics? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!! You hide them so well as you run away from every debate.
The only "tactic" you've shown us is how easily you're scared off and how arrogantly and hilariously you proclaim your alleged superiority and prowess from the sidelines.
What are you afraid of, Freon? Are you afraid that your "demonstrations" will reveal how fragile and unsupported your ideas really are?
Original challenge still stands. Where's your offsetting context and information on this subject?
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 20, 2024 20:16:02 GMT
Let's see 'em then, boy, or just go ahead and admit you're a liar. You've been given the facts .. But facts are of no use to far-right fools ..
Point them out on this thread, boy. None have been presented by you or Freon. Do you have the balls to give it a try? |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 20, 2024 20:16:40 GMT
What I truly love about having you, and your far right peers, as the other side of the conversation, is that I can tell you exactly what I'm doing, literally give you all the information you need to see my strategy and tactics, and yet you STILL are incapable of realizing what is happening, or doing anything about it. So continue to call me names, to describe me in, I guess, ways that would offend someone like you, they have no impact on me. That's not how to insult me, and you and your comrades have yet to figure out how to do so. I welcome your demonstrations, Paleo. If you feel you are accomplishing what you wish with me, then I guess we both win, right? I KNOW I am accomplishing what I want with you. Freon I'm not trying to insult you, I'm correcting you and you don't even realize it.
Are you telling us that you actually have a strategy and tactics? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!! You hide them so well as you run away from every debate.
The only "tactic" you've shown us is how easily you're scared off and how arrogantly and hilariously you proclaim your alleged superiority and prowess from the sidelines.
What are you afraid of, Freon? Are you afraid that your "demonstrations" will reveal how fragile and unsupported your ideas really are?
Original challenge still stands. Where's your offsetting context and information on this subject?
Where have I proclaimed superiority, Paleo? Where have I proclaimed prowess? It's funny how you call me dishonest, how you tell me that I do not support my statements, when you and many (but not all) of your peers have made this accusation with ZERO support behind it. So I'll give you this chance right here and now. Quote me saying I am superior or I have prowess. Show me what honesty looks like. Freon |
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Post by RWB on Sept 20, 2024 20:28:22 GMT
Let's see 'em then, boy, or just go ahead and admit you're a liar. You've been given the facts .. But facts are of no use to far-right fools ..
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 20, 2024 20:37:57 GMT
You've been given the facts .. But facts are of no use to far-right fools ..
Point them out on this thread, boy. None have been presented by you or Freon. Do you have the balls to give it a try? I can and always do post facts but what good would it do to prove you're a fool AGAIN .. You'll be back tomorrow with the same discredited bullshit ..
Here... Knock yourself out .. assuming you can read above a grade school level ..
Thanks again .. It's always fun to slap you math and science illiterates silly with simple facts..
Wonder will you have the dignity to apologize after you read that link? .. What am I saying.. Of course you don't.
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 20, 2024 21:13:14 GMT
I'm not trying to insult you, I'm correcting you and you don't even realize it.
Are you telling us that you actually have a strategy and tactics? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!! You hide them so well as you run away from every debate.
The only "tactic" you've shown us is how easily you're scared off and how arrogantly and hilariously you proclaim your alleged superiority and prowess from the sidelines.
What are you afraid of, Freon? Are you afraid that your "demonstrations" will reveal how fragile and unsupported your ideas really are?
Original challenge still stands. Where's your offsetting context and information on this subject?
Where have I proclaimed superiority, Paleo? Where have I proclaimed prowess? It's funny how you call me dishonest, how you tell me that I do not support my statements, when you and many (but not all) of your peers have made this accusation with ZERO support behind it. So I'll give you this chance right here and now. Quote me saying I am superior or I have prowess. Show me what honesty looks like. Freon "I'm telling you this because I am totally confident that even though you know, there is nothing you can do about it. You operate by MY rules when we communicate, and YOU are not the wiser to it. That's what I mean when I say I've trained you. I'm actually using the same exact techniques your own authoritative sources do." - Freon
"I can tell you exactly what I'm doing, literally give you all the information you need to see my strategy and tactics, and yet you STILL are incapable of realizing what is happening, or doing anything about it." - Freon
“I don't claim to be massively educated, I simply am.“ - Freon
"I DO see myself as more educated, however, with skills that you do not have, especially in understanding how data can be converted into accurate (or inaccurate) information. - Freon
The beauty of this arrangement is that since I'm the one with the education, and you don't believe I actually have one, I get to see you as a naive ignoramus. I'm the only one here with proof that the other is too dull to know when they are talking with an educated person. All you have is your own unproven conclusion that I am not all I think I am. And from this proof, I can further conclude that if you don't know that I am educated, then you likely cannot tell if ANYONE is. Which means you walk around never knowing if you are being informed purely for the benefit of the other party.
My logic has no holes. You ARE a naive ignoramus. - Freon
Superiority (n.) : an unpleasant way of behaving that a person has when they think they are better than other people.
Prowess (n.) : skill or expertise in a particular activity or field.
As far as supporting your statements with facts, data and information, the easiest way to put that to rest is demonstrate on this thread where you have definitively failed so far to provide the context that you claimed.
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Post by freonbale on Sept 20, 2024 21:46:30 GMT
Where have I proclaimed superiority, Paleo? Where have I proclaimed prowess? It's funny how you call me dishonest, how you tell me that I do not support my statements, when you and many (but not all) of your peers have made this accusation with ZERO support behind it. So I'll give you this chance right here and now. Quote me saying I am superior or I have prowess. Show me what honesty looks like. Freon "I'm telling you this because I am totally confident that even though you know, there is nothing you can do about it. You operate by MY rules when we communicate, and YOU are not the wiser to it. That's what I mean when I say I've trained you. I'm actually using the same exact techniques your own authoritative sources do." - Freon
"I can tell you exactly what I'm doing, literally give you all the information you need to see my strategy and tactics, and yet you STILL are incapable of realizing what is happening, or doing anything about it." - Freon
“I don't claim to be massively educated, I simply am.“ - Freon
"I DO see myself as more educated, however, with skills that you do not have, especially in understanding how data can be converted into accurate (or inaccurate) information. - Freon
The beauty of this arrangement is that since I'm the one with the education, and you don't believe I actually have one, I get to see you as a naive ignoramus. I'm the only one here with proof that the other is too dull to know when they are talking with an educated person. All you have is your own unproven conclusion that I am not all I think I am. And from this proof, I can further conclude that if you don't know that I am educated, then you likely cannot tell if ANYONE is. Which means you walk around never knowing if you are being informed purely for the benefit of the other party.
My logic has no holes. You ARE a naive ignoramus. - Freon
Superiority (n.) : an unpleasant way of behaving that a person has when they think they are better than other people.
Prowess (n.) : skill or expertise in a particular activity or field.
As far as supporting your statements with facts, data and information, the easiest way to put that to rest is demonstrate on this thread where you have definitively failed so far to provide the context that you claimed.
Those quotes are statements of fact. In none do I claim to be better than you. The logic in them is sound, based on evidence, and as I said, there are no holes. Nowhere in them do I claim prowess, skill, or expertise. I AM, however, more educated than you. That's just fact. Like saying I am taller than you. That greater education confers abilities and knowledge you do not possess. Also fact. But am I an EXPERT in that which I studied? No, I have never made that claim. In fact, I would not consider myself an expert at anything, though compared to some, maybe I would be considered as such. To me, you are feeling inferior, and projecting that on my statements, making it seem to you like I am expressing superiority and prowess. I cannot control how you perceive the world, Paleo, but in this case, you are simply mistaken. Freon |
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 20, 2024 23:36:30 GMT
Point them out on this thread, boy. None have been presented by you or Freon. Do you have the balls to give it a try? I can and always do post facts but what good would it do to prove you're a fool AGAIN .. You'll be back tomorrow with the same discredited bullshit ..
Here... Knock yourself out .. assuming you can read above a grade school level ..
Thanks again .. It's always fun to slap you math and science illiterates silly with simple facts..
Wonder will you have the dignity to apologize after you read that link? .. What am I saying.. Of course you don't.
"....data is information like facts and numbers used to analyze things and make decisions..."
"Data refers to any information, facts, or statistics that can be collected, stored, and analyzed."
Now that I've kicked your raw flabby ass all over this forum, stop running away and see if you can do what Freon's intellectual impotence keeps him from doing.
Freon claimed to have fresh context related to the Teamsters rejection of Harris, but like a child, he refuses to share.
Are you impotent too or do you have some "hard" facts to go with your bluster?
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 20, 2024 23:47:34 GMT
"I'm telling you this because I am totally confident that even though you know, there is nothing you can do about it. You operate by MY rules when we communicate, and YOU are not the wiser to it. That's what I mean when I say I've trained you. I'm actually using the same exact techniques your own authoritative sources do." - Freon
"I can tell you exactly what I'm doing, literally give you all the information you need to see my strategy and tactics, and yet you STILL are incapable of realizing what is happening, or doing anything about it." - Freon
“I don't claim to be massively educated, I simply am.“ - Freon
"I DO see myself as more educated, however, with skills that you do not have, especially in understanding how data can be converted into accurate (or inaccurate) information. - Freon
The beauty of this arrangement is that since I'm the one with the education, and you don't believe I actually have one, I get to see you as a naive ignoramus. I'm the only one here with proof that the other is too dull to know when they are talking with an educated person. All you have is your own unproven conclusion that I am not all I think I am. And from this proof, I can further conclude that if you don't know that I am educated, then you likely cannot tell if ANYONE is. Which means you walk around never knowing if you are being informed purely for the benefit of the other party.
My logic has no holes. You ARE a naive ignoramus. - Freon
Superiority (n.) : an unpleasant way of behaving that a person has when they think they are better than other people.
Prowess (n.) : skill or expertise in a particular activity or field.
As far as supporting your statements with facts, data and information, the easiest way to put that to rest is demonstrate on this thread where you have definitively failed so far to provide the context that you claimed.
Those quotes are statements of fact. In none do I claim to be better than you. The logic in them is sound, based on evidence, and as I said, there are no holes. Nowhere in them do I claim prowess, skill, or expertise. I AM, however, more educated than you. That's just fact. Like saying I am taller than you. That greater education confers abilities and knowledge you do not possess. Also fact. But am I an EXPERT in that which I studied? No, I have never made that claim. In fact, I would not consider myself an expert at anything, though compared to some, maybe I would be considered as such. To me, you are feeling inferior, and projecting that on my statements, making it seem to you like I am expressing superiority and prowess. I cannot control how you perceive the world, Paleo, but in this case, you are simply mistaken. Freon Wow, you even lack the self awareness to recognize your superiority complex and claims of skill that you don't ever seem to demonstrate.
The very fact that you feel the need to convey these kind of arrogant sentiments at all is a pretty good sign that you have self doubt on all of them.
I've been around braggarts like you before; most are all mouth, trying to telegraph a toughness and intelligence that they can't produce by their actions.
Like you, such blowhards are sideliners, hanging with the cheerleaders pretending to be players.
I'm sorry, Freon, to have to break it to you, but with bad news it best to be quick and direct.....
You're an airhead like Kamala Harris, babbling about a subject without any substance behind the rhetoric, followed by running away and hiding.
Now, you can prove me wrong simply by providing what I asked for on this thread....substance. Any time you're ready.
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 21, 2024 0:26:31 GMT
The biggest blowhard on this forum is... Paleo con ....
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Post by freonbale on Sept 21, 2024 0:47:05 GMT
Those quotes are statements of fact. In none do I claim to be better than you. The logic in them is sound, based on evidence, and as I said, there are no holes. Nowhere in them do I claim prowess, skill, or expertise. I AM, however, more educated than you. That's just fact. Like saying I am taller than you. That greater education confers abilities and knowledge you do not possess. Also fact. But am I an EXPERT in that which I studied? No, I have never made that claim. In fact, I would not consider myself an expert at anything, though compared to some, maybe I would be considered as such. To me, you are feeling inferior, and projecting that on my statements, making it seem to you like I am expressing superiority and prowess. I cannot control how you perceive the world, Paleo, but in this case, you are simply mistaken. Freon Wow, you even lack the self awareness to recognize your superiority complex and claims of skill that you don't ever seem to demonstrate.
The very fact that you feel the need to convey these kind of arrogant sentiments at all is a pretty good sign that you have self doubt on all of them.
I've been around braggarts like you before; most are all mouth, trying to telegraph a toughness and intelligence that they can't produce by their actions.
Like you, such blowhards are sideliners, hanging with the cheerleaders pretending to be players.
I'm sorry, Freon, to have to break it to you, but with bad news it best to be quick and direct.....
You're an airhead like Kamala Harris, babbling about a subject without any substance behind the rhetoric, followed by running away and hiding.
Now, you can prove me wrong simply by providing what I asked for on this thread....substance. Any time you're ready.
Again, I'm not seeing the braggart behavior. I AM more educated than you. It's just reality. That changes my perspective on things. There is a reason why our most educated in this country are against Donald, and it's not because they teach liberalism at our universities. It's because people who seek and complete higher education, are already different from those who do not. And that difference, whatever it is, causes them to also see someone like Donald in the most negative of ways. Now focusing on your other point, I AM arrogant. I've always said that. But I don't care if you have a problem with that or not. If that bothers you, if your feelings are hurt, if that makes communicating with me too painful, you are welcome to go Karen, and talk to someone easier. I will not be offended. You literally cannot offend me. Freon |
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 21, 2024 2:19:54 GMT
Wow, you even lack the self awareness to recognize your superiority complex and claims of skill that you don't ever seem to demonstrate.
The very fact that you feel the need to convey these kind of arrogant sentiments at all is a pretty good sign that you have self doubt on all of them.
I've been around braggarts like you before; most are all mouth, trying to telegraph a toughness and intelligence that they can't produce by their actions.
Like you, such blowhards are sideliners, hanging with the cheerleaders pretending to be players.
I'm sorry, Freon, to have to break it to you, but with bad news it best to be quick and direct.....
You're an airhead like Kamala Harris, babbling about a subject without any substance behind the rhetoric, followed by running away and hiding.
Now, you can prove me wrong simply by providing what I asked for on this thread....substance. Any time you're ready.
Again, I'm not seeing the braggart behavior. I AM more educated than you. It's just reality. That changes my perspective on things. There is a reason why our most educated in this country are against Donald, and it's not because they teach liberalism at our universities. It's because people who seek and complete higher education, are already different from those who do not. And that difference, whatever it is, causes them to also see someone like Donald in the most negative of ways. Now focusing on your other point, I AM arrogant. I've always said that. But I don't care if you have a problem with that or not. If that bothers you, if your feelings are hurt, if that makes communicating with me too painful, you are welcome to go Karen, and talk to someone easier. I will not be offended. You literally cannot offend me. Freon In your field, I have no doubt that you are more educated than me, but the subjects covered here on this forum are not areas where that vaunted massive education of yours means anything.
Running from discussions on a discussion forum gives the impression that you are not a critical thinker, not an objective observer and you lack the basic common sense that most of us normal folks were born with. Championing far left causes as you do makes it worse.
Feel free to be as arrogant as you'd like, but unearned, it elicits only laughter and scorn, not respect.
Honest, open engagement earns respect. I hope you start earning some soon.
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Post by freonbale on Sept 21, 2024 2:23:26 GMT
Again, I'm not seeing the braggart behavior. I AM more educated than you. It's just reality. That changes my perspective on things. There is a reason why our most educated in this country are against Donald, and it's not because they teach liberalism at our universities. It's because people who seek and complete higher education, are already different from those who do not. And that difference, whatever it is, causes them to also see someone like Donald in the most negative of ways. Now focusing on your other point, I AM arrogant. I've always said that. But I don't care if you have a problem with that or not. If that bothers you, if your feelings are hurt, if that makes communicating with me too painful, you are welcome to go Karen, and talk to someone easier. I will not be offended. You literally cannot offend me. Freon In your field, I have no doubt that you are more educated than me, but the subjects covered here on this forum are not areas where that vaunted massive education of yours means anything.
Running from discussions on a discussion forum gives the impression that you are not a critical thinker, not an objective observer and you lack the basic common sense that most of us normal folks were born with. Championing far left causes as you do makes it worse.
Feel free to be as arrogant as you'd like, but unearned, it elicits only laughter and scorn, not respect.
Honest, open engagement earns respect. I hope you start earning some soon.
I agree with you. I have NEVER said my science training makes me politically more savvy than anyone else here. Please, go back and look, you will not find any time that I've said such a thing. But, and this is HUGE but, I AM trained in knowing when data is being turned into BS information, and that skill applies to ANY domain. Not interested if my arrogance elicits whatever, man. Means nothing to me. You be you. This conversation, by its very existence, proves that my communication strategies, and my goals, are being met. Freon |
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