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Post by petep on Sept 17, 2024 12:33:33 GMT
What is she even talking about. She just throws a bunch of words together and it never leads anywhere. Imagine interviewing a candidate for a job. What’s your plan to do “x” And you got and answer like this youtu.be/GRJ0NdJgwBw?feature=shared |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 17, 2024 14:33:01 GMT
What is she even talking about. She just throws a bunch of words together and it never leads anywhere. Imagine interviewing a candidate for a job. What’s your plan to do “x” And you got and answer like this youtu.be/GRJ0NdJgwBw?feature=sharedSeems perfectly understandable to me. Can you link me a video of Donald laying out his plans that you find more interview worthy, so I can hear the difference. Freon |
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Post by petep on Sept 17, 2024 14:53:18 GMT
What is she even talking about. She just throws a bunch of words together and it never leads anywhere. Imagine interviewing a candidate for a job. What’s your plan to do “x” And you got and answer like this youtu.be/GRJ0NdJgwBw?feature=sharedSeems perfectly understandable to me. Can you link me a video of Donald laying out his plans that you find more interview worthy, so I can hear the difference. Freon He has been extraordinarily specific about his plan to get the country back on track. And more important than his well thought out and communicated focus is that he has a good track record of achieving results. I’ve posted this for you before and you just keep repeating the same left wing talking points www.donaldjtrump.com/platformNow, compare this to both the Biden - Harris agenda and their horrific track record. Their top three areas of focus are. - Covid - climate change - racial equality www.whitehouse.gov/priorities/ |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 17, 2024 14:56:28 GMT
Seems perfectly understandable to me. Can you link me a video of Donald laying out his plans that you find more interview worthy, so I can hear the difference. Freon He has been extraordinarily specific about his plan to get the country back on track. And more important than his well thought out and communicated focus is that he has a good track record of achieving results. I’ve posted this for you before and you just keep repeating the same left wing talking points www.donaldjtrump.com/platformNow, compare this to both the Biden - Harris agenda and their horrific track record. You linked me to Donald's web site. Here is Harris'. Nearly identical in specificity.But you complained about the 'word salad' in the video, and you did not link a video of Donald, like I asked. Is this more of your BS? Freon |
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Post by petep on Sept 17, 2024 15:55:52 GMT
He has been extraordinarily specific about his plan to get the country back on track. And more important than his well thought out and communicated focus is that he has a good track record of achieving results. I’ve posted this for you before and you just keep repeating the same left wing talking points www.donaldjtrump.com/platformNow, compare this to both the Biden - Harris agenda and their horrific track record. You linked me to Donald's web site. Here is Harris'. Nearly identical in specificity.But you complained about the 'word salad' in the video, and you did not link a video of Donald, like I asked. Is this more of your BS? Freon Ok. So she is going to reduce rent for people, and reduce housing prices for people and lower the costs of groceries and food for everyone and lower the price of energy. Great. Sign me up. But - In the business world we say a goal without a plan is a wish. So she has lots of wishes. Two questions. Who is paying for all the giveaways? She’s been at the helm with Biden - that’s why they called it the Biden Harris priorities - we have gotten worse in each of the areas she mentions since taking over. why do you believe she will magically do well if elected? Why hasn’t she done this over the past three plus years? |
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Post by atreyu on Sept 17, 2024 16:27:59 GMT
You linked me to Donald's web site. Here is Harris'. Nearly identical in specificity.But you complained about the 'word salad' in the video, and you did not link a video of Donald, like I asked. Is this more of your BS? Freon Ok. So she is going to reduce rent for people, and reduce housing prices for people and lower the costs of groceries and food for everyone and lower the price of energy. Great. Sign me up. But - In the business world we say a goal without a plan is a wish. So she has lots of wishes. Two questions. Who is paying for all the giveaways? She’s been at the helm with Biden - that’s why they called it the Biden Harris priorities - we have gotten worse in each of the areas she mentions since taking over. why do you believe she will magically do well if elected? Why hasn’t she done this over the past three plus years?
Trump's plan to be a dictator on day 1..... nope, doesn't even matter the rest of the shit he spouts. The rest of the shit he spouts is more authoritarian stuff anyway.
Trump has "concepts of plans". In the business world he'd be laughed out of the room.
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 17, 2024 17:32:11 GMT
You linked me to Donald's web site. Here is Harris'. Nearly identical in specificity.But you complained about the 'word salad' in the video, and you did not link a video of Donald, like I asked. Is this more of your BS? Freon Ok. So she is going to reduce rent for people, and reduce housing prices for people and lower the costs of groceries and food for everyone and lower the price of energy. Great. Sign me up. But - In the business world we say a goal without a plan is a wish. So she has lots of wishes. Two questions. Who is paying for all the giveaways? She’s been at the helm with Biden - that’s why they called it the Biden Harris priorities - we have gotten worse in each of the areas she mentions since taking over. why do you believe she will magically do well if elected? Why hasn’t she done this over the past three plus years? When asked, Trump said he had a "concept" of a plan.. Can you, as one with TDS on Steroids, explain Trump's "concept" of his plan? |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 17, 2024 17:35:28 GMT
You linked me to Donald's web site. Here is Harris'. Nearly identical in specificity.But you complained about the 'word salad' in the video, and you did not link a video of Donald, like I asked. Is this more of your BS? Freon Ok. So she is going to reduce rent for people, and reduce housing prices for people and lower the costs of groceries and food for everyone and lower the price of energy. Great. Sign me up. But - In the business world we say a goal without a plan is a wish. So she has lots of wishes. Two questions. Who is paying for all the giveaways? She’s been at the helm with Biden - that’s why they called it the Biden Harris priorities - we have gotten worse in each of the areas she mentions since taking over. why do you believe she will magically do well if elected? Why hasn’t she done this over the past three plus years? Why are you changing the subject? You said she spoke a word salad. That was your OP, and now you are diving into her policies (clearly laid out, btw), and having a totally different conversation. Do you agree there was no word salad. Once we have this initial BS resolved, we can move on to other things. And for the record, you STILL did not link any video of Donald, where he lays out any policies at all, let alone a broader scope like Harris did. Freon |
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 17, 2024 17:40:02 GMT
Ok. So she is going to reduce rent for people, and reduce housing prices for people and lower the costs of groceries and food for everyone and lower the price of energy. Great. Sign me up. But - In the business world we say a goal without a plan is a wish. So she has lots of wishes. Two questions. Who is paying for all the giveaways? She’s been at the helm with Biden - that’s why they called it the Biden Harris priorities - we have gotten worse in each of the areas she mentions since taking over. why do you believe she will magically do well if elected? Why hasn’t she done this over the past three plus years? Why are you changing the subject? You said she spoke a word salad. That was your OP, and now you are diving into her policies (clearly laid out, btw), and having a totally different conversation. Do you agree there was no word salad. Once we have this initial BS resolved, we can move on to other things. And for the record, you STILL did not link any video of Donald, where he lays out any policies at all, let alone a broader scope like Harris did. Freon
Trump has a "concept" of a plan.. It's not developed enough to be a 'word salad'.. It's more of a cup of alphabet soup ..
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Post by freonbale on Sept 17, 2024 17:42:42 GMT
Why are you changing the subject? You said she spoke a word salad. That was your OP, and now you are diving into her policies (clearly laid out, btw), and having a totally different conversation. Do you agree there was no word salad. Once we have this initial BS resolved, we can move on to other things. And for the record, you STILL did not link any video of Donald, where he lays out any policies at all, let alone a broader scope like Harris did. Freon
Trump has a "concept" of a plan.. It's not developed enough to be a 'word salad'.. It's more of a cup of alphabet soup ..
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 17, 2024 18:00:45 GMT
I like that she's going to end America's housing shortage lol.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 17, 2024 18:05:48 GMT
Ok. So she is going to reduce rent for people, and reduce housing prices for people and lower the costs of groceries and food for everyone and lower the price of energy. Great. Sign me up. But - In the business world we say a goal without a plan is a wish. So she has lots of wishes. Two questions. Who is paying for all the giveaways? She’s been at the helm with Biden - that’s why they called it the Biden Harris priorities - we have gotten worse in each of the areas she mentions since taking over. why do you believe she will magically do well if elected? Why hasn’t she done this over the past three plus years? Why are you changing the subject? You said she spoke a word salad. That was your OP, and now you are diving into her policies (clearly laid out, btw), and having a totally different conversation. Clearly laid out? Saying one will reduce the cost of things like housing / rent while also reducing the "housing shortage" is not a policy. And that's a complicated mix of things to do. Particularly when she's talking about giving first time homebuyers $25,000 to help with a down payment which will (Spoiler Alert) increase housing prices. And if she tries to artificially bring down rent, what you'll see is shittier homes as landlords reduce maintenance budgets for those homes, and fewer entrepreneurs getting into the landlord game, bringing down competition. These are often contradictory goals that individually sound nice, but without laying out the actual policies she will enact (I AM GOING TO END THE HOUSING SHORTAGE is not a policy), it's all bullshit. |
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Post by petep on Sept 17, 2024 18:38:03 GMT
Why are you changing the subject? You said she spoke a word salad. That was your OP, and now you are diving into her policies (clearly laid out, btw), and having a totally different conversation. Clearly laid out? Saying one will reduce the cost of things like housing / rent while also reducing the "housing shortage" is not a policy. And that's a complicated mix of things to do. Particularly when she's talking about giving first time homebuyers $25,000 to help with a down payment which will (Spoiler Alert) increase housing prices. And if she tries to artificially bring down rent, what you'll see is shittier homes as landlords reduce maintenance budgets for those homes, and fewer entrepreneurs getting into the landlord game, bringing down competition. These are often contradictory goals that individually sound nice, but without laying out the actual policies she will enact (I AM GOING TO END THE HOUSING SHORTAGE is not a policy), it's all bullshit. You hit the nail on the head. As a landlord I can assure you that more rules and regulations etc raise rents. As soon as I hear a politician say they will reduce rents I hear a socialist. There is only one at to reduce rents. It’s thru supply and demand. And democrats only have done things that result in less supply. They add regulations which drive up costs and believe me if they start giving away 25k and taxes go up. That gets passed on in increased rents. She’s an idiot. She has never managed an organization. Why would anything thinks she would understand how to manage these issues |
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Post by greebnurt on Sept 17, 2024 19:22:01 GMT
Clearly laid out? Saying one will reduce the cost of things like housing / rent while also reducing the "housing shortage" is not a policy. And that's a complicated mix of things to do. Particularly when she's talking about giving first time homebuyers $25,000 to help with a down payment which will (Spoiler Alert) increase housing prices. And if she tries to artificially bring down rent, what you'll see is shittier homes as landlords reduce maintenance budgets for those homes, and fewer entrepreneurs getting into the landlord game, bringing down competition. These are often contradictory goals that individually sound nice, but without laying out the actual policies she will enact (I AM GOING TO END THE HOUSING SHORTAGE is not a policy), it's all bullshit. You hit the nail on the head. As a landlord I can assure you that more rules and regulations etc raise rents. As soon as I hear a politician say they will reduce rents I hear a socialist. There is only one at to reduce rents. It’s thru supply and demand. And democrats only have done things that result in less supply. They add regulations which drive up costs and believe me if they start giving away 25k and taxes go up. That gets passed on in increased rents. She’s an idiot. She has never managed an organization. Why would anything thinks she would understand how to manage these issues Continuing to deflect from YOUR op sounds like a winning plan. But hey, you do you, Pete. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 17, 2024 19:47:13 GMT
Why are you changing the subject? You said she spoke a word salad. That was your OP, and now you are diving into her policies (clearly laid out, btw), and having a totally different conversation. Clearly laid out? Saying one will reduce the cost of things like housing / rent while also reducing the "housing shortage" is not a policy. And that's a complicated mix of things to do. Particularly when she's talking about giving first time homebuyers $25,000 to help with a down payment which will (Spoiler Alert) increase housing prices. And if she tries to artificially bring down rent, what you'll see is shittier homes as landlords reduce maintenance budgets for those homes, and fewer entrepreneurs getting into the landlord game, bringing down competition. These are often contradictory goals that individually sound nice, but without laying out the actual policies she will enact (I AM GOING TO END THE HOUSING SHORTAGE is not a policy), it's all bullshit. Look at the list you sent me from Donald. It looks remarkably similar in tactical strategy as Harris'. As in, very little detail. Why no problem with his? It's that you cannot look at your own guy through the same negative lens you look at Harris, that your words are just hate to us. You don't like Harris. Ok, that's fine. But nothing you have said convinces me that Donald has any kind of plan at all, unless you look at Project2025, which apparently, he knows nothing about, even though his VP wrote the forward to it, lol. As to her strategies, I don't think we quite know what they are, but they will DEFINITELY involve bipartisan endorsement, voting, and support. Donald was totally unsuccessful at doing anything bipartisan, and I see no change in his strategies now. That ALONE makes me want Harris over Donald. At least with Harris, you will have a voice. With Donald, I will have none. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 17, 2024 20:23:11 GMT
What is she even talking about. She just throws a bunch of words together and it never leads anywhere. Imagine interviewing a candidate for a job. What’s your plan to do “x” And you got and answer like this youtu.be/GRJ0NdJgwBw?feature=sharedSo I think I am beginning to understand what 'word salad' means. When you don't understand what someone says, that's 'word salad'. What you are saying is that she doesn't speak like a 3rd grader, so you have no clue what her words mean. It's why you like Donald so much. He's the first elected official you can actually understand, as he also speaks like a 3rd grader. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 17, 2024 20:32:16 GMT
Clearly laid out? Saying one will reduce the cost of things like housing / rent while also reducing the "housing shortage" is not a policy. And that's a complicated mix of things to do. Particularly when she's talking about giving first time homebuyers $25,000 to help with a down payment which will (Spoiler Alert) increase housing prices. And if she tries to artificially bring down rent, what you'll see is shittier homes as landlords reduce maintenance budgets for those homes, and fewer entrepreneurs getting into the landlord game, bringing down competition. These are often contradictory goals that individually sound nice, but without laying out the actual policies she will enact (I AM GOING TO END THE HOUSING SHORTAGE is not a policy), it's all bullshit. Look at the list you sent me from Donald. It looks remarkably similar in tactical strategy as Harris'. As in, very little detail. Why no problem with his? It's that you cannot look at your own guy through the same negative lens you look at Harris, that your words are just hate to us. You don't like Harris. Ok, that's fine. But nothing you have said convinces me that Donald has any kind of plan at all, unless you look at Project2025, which apparently, he knows nothing about, even though his VP wrote the forward to it, lol. As to her strategies, I don't think we quite know what they are, but they will DEFINITELY involve bipartisan endorsement, voting, and support. Donald was totally unsuccessful at doing anything bipartisan, and I see no change in his strategies now. That ALONE makes me want Harris over Donald. At least with Harris, you will have a voice. With Donald, I will have none. Freon Oof. Look at that. Incredible. Anyway, CBS seems to agree with you. Here's what it says about Harris on immigration. www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-platform-policy-positions-2024/Trump has talked about a mass deportation program, ending birthright citizenship, border walls, etc. It's very clear where he stands. How about Harris' positions on Climate? What about Education? Since becoming the nominee, what has she proposed on Guns? Is that "policy"? What about Housing? To her credit, this is a policy she's offered. Too bad it's stupid and contradictory. And 3 million new homes and rentals by the end of her first term? Over a million homes are built every year in the US since 2013. 3 million by the end of her first term? 3 million were built between 2022 and 2023 alone. Maybe the "affordable" makes it make sense, but she's going to have to be more specific for this to be a "policy". And giving $25,000 to new homeowners will increase housing prices. So on its face it's a contradictory policy to her intentions of reducing housing costs. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 17, 2024 20:58:02 GMT
Look at the list you sent me from Donald. It looks remarkably similar in tactical strategy as Harris'. As in, very little detail. Why no problem with his? It's that you cannot look at your own guy through the same negative lens you look at Harris, that your words are just hate to us. You don't like Harris. Ok, that's fine. But nothing you have said convinces me that Donald has any kind of plan at all, unless you look at Project2025, which apparently, he knows nothing about, even though his VP wrote the forward to it, lol. As to her strategies, I don't think we quite know what they are, but they will DEFINITELY involve bipartisan endorsement, voting, and support. Donald was totally unsuccessful at doing anything bipartisan, and I see no change in his strategies now. That ALONE makes me want Harris over Donald. At least with Harris, you will have a voice. With Donald, I will have none. Freon Oof. Look at that. Incredible. Anyway, CBS seems to agree with you. Here's what it says about Harris on immigration. www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-platform-policy-positions-2024/Trump has talked about a mass deportation program, ending birthright citizenship, border walls, etc. It's very clear where he stands. How about Harris' positions on Climate? What about Education? Since becoming the nominee, what has she proposed on Guns? Is that "policy"? What about Housing? To her credit, this is a policy she's offered. Too bad it's stupid and contradictory. And 3 million new homes and rentals by the end of her first term? Over a million homes are built every year in the US since 2013. 3 million by the end of her first term? 3 million were built between 2022 and 2023 alone. Maybe the "affordable" makes it make sense, but she's going to have to be more specific for this to be a "policy". And giving $25,000 to new homeowners will increase housing prices. So on its face it's a contradictory policy to her intentions of reducing housing costs. Right, so you name ONE issue Donald has a (revolting) position on, and you follow up with nothing else from him. And considering the ONLY way he will implement that position is by decree, and not bipartisan legislation, whatever he does will be reversed by the next president. Whereas Harris DOES have actual specific plans, and you mentioned ONLY the ones where she does not. And worse, you see her reaching out to the other side to gain consensus before announcing a detailed plan as a bad thing, when it is literally the core requirement of a good leader. This is just hate. I think it's disingenuous for you to advocate that your reason for voting Donald is because of his policies, when EVERYTHING he does, you like. Not sure why you must hide your total loyalty to him, it's not like we all don't see it. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 17, 2024 22:12:40 GMT
Oof. Look at that. Incredible. Anyway, CBS seems to agree with you. Here's what it says about Harris on immigration. www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-platform-policy-positions-2024/Trump has talked about a mass deportation program, ending birthright citizenship, border walls, etc. It's very clear where he stands. How about Harris' positions on Climate? What about Education? Since becoming the nominee, what has she proposed on Guns? Is that "policy"? What about Housing? To her credit, this is a policy she's offered. Too bad it's stupid and contradictory. And 3 million new homes and rentals by the end of her first term? Over a million homes are built every year in the US since 2013. 3 million by the end of her first term? 3 million were built between 2022 and 2023 alone. Maybe the "affordable" makes it make sense, but she's going to have to be more specific for this to be a "policy". And giving $25,000 to new homeowners will increase housing prices. So on its face it's a contradictory policy to her intentions of reducing housing costs. Right, so you name ONE issue Donald has a (revolting) position on, and you follow up with nothing else from him. And considering the ONLY way he will implement that position is by decree, and not bipartisan legislation, whatever he does will be reversed by the next president. Whereas Harris DOES have actual specific plans, and you mentioned ONLY the ones where she does not. And worse, you see her reaching out to the other side to gain consensus before announcing a detailed plan as a bad thing, when it is literally the core requirement of a good leader. This is just hate. I think it's disingenuous for you to advocate that your reason for voting Donald is because of his policies, when EVERYTHING he does, you like. Not sure why you must hide your total loyalty to him, it's not like we all don't see it. Freon No specifics. No refutation of CBS. Trump has been president. He’s bizarre and often wrong, but everybody knows and he makes no secret of his stance on abortion and climate and guns and immigration. Harris is hiding her former positions because she knows most are unpopular nationally, if popular in California. So she resorts to cliches and platitudes. I’m so sorry. |
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 17, 2024 22:17:59 GMT
Right, so you name ONE issue Donald has a (revolting) position on, and you follow up with nothing else from him. And considering the ONLY way he will implement that position is by decree, and not bipartisan legislation, whatever he does will be reversed by the next president. Whereas Harris DOES have actual specific plans, and you mentioned ONLY the ones where she does not. And worse, you see her reaching out to the other side to gain consensus before announcing a detailed plan as a bad thing, when it is literally the core requirement of a good leader. This is just hate. I think it's disingenuous for you to advocate that your reason for voting Donald is because of his policies, when EVERYTHING he does, you like. Not sure why you must hide your total loyalty to him, it's not like we all don't see it. Freon So she resorts to cliches and platitudes. Sounds like you prefer Trump's lies and innuendo ..
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