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Post by queshank on Sept 9, 2024 17:52:29 GMT
With that I would disagree. Food products, essential for existence, are good and plentiful. Even most mfg products are great. Are you looking in the wrong spots?
Not really talking about food products. We export far more than we import, so doesn't even apply to this convo. I'm talking about durable goods. Freon
Ah but it does apply.
Did you know our local packers prefer importing meat from countries with lower regulations and standards (because its cheaper) and then exporting the higher quality meat overseas where it can be sold for a higher price? I wonder how much this plays into the foodborne illness problems with meat we've been seeing lately.
I immediately thought of this thread.
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Post by thor on Sept 9, 2024 18:21:44 GMT
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 9, 2024 18:55:17 GMT
You are misinterpreting the numbers, and assuming that all tax owed, is paid. What I care about is the tax rate for each bracket, and how much of that tax rate is mitigated by loopholes. That information is not represented on the page you linked. Freon NO NO NO NO NO THOSE NUMBERS ARE WRONG DATA PULLED FROM THE IRS BY THE TAX FOUNDATION IS INCORRECT I KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS AND I'M THE EXPERT WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG NO NO NO NO NO I AM RIGHT [/freon] |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 9, 2024 18:55:49 GMT
THAT MONEY BELONGS TO OUR SWEET MASTERS IN THE GOVERNMENT YOU BOOTLICKER!!! |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 9, 2024 22:19:58 GMT
Not really talking about food products. We export far more than we import, so doesn't even apply to this convo. I'm talking about durable goods. Freon
Ah but it does apply.
Did you know our local packers prefer importing meat from countries with lower regulations and standards (because its cheaper) and then exporting the higher quality meat overseas where it can be sold for a higher price? I wonder how much this plays into the foodborne illness problems with meat we've been seeing lately.
I immediately thought of this thread.
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That is interesting information and it is relevant to this thread. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 9, 2024 22:27:19 GMT
You are misinterpreting the numbers, and assuming that all tax owed, is paid. What I care about is the tax rate for each bracket, and how much of that tax rate is mitigated by loopholes. That information is not represented on the page you linked. Freon NO NO NO NO NO THOSE NUMBERS ARE WRONG DATA PULLED FROM THE IRS BY THE TAX FOUNDATION IS INCORRECT I KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS AND I'M THE EXPERT WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG NO NO NO NO NO I AM RIGHT [/freon] The data is wrong? I never said that, so I find your sarcasm a bit weird. I said your INTERPRETATION of the data is wrong. Don't you know the difference between the two? I assumed this is common sense, yet you righties constantly misinterpret data, as information. So let me be clear. Data are measurable, verifiable facts. Information provides context to data, so it can be understood. Data alone, very rarely provides useful information. A good example is the far right view of Blacks, based on FBI criminal statistics. The data is accurate, and it does show that Blacks have higher rates for certain crime. But with no context tied to that data, the viewer is left to conclude anything they want, and the far right chooses to conclude that Black nature is more criminally-minded. That might be true, but it also might be true that they are condensed in environments where crime is more likely to happen, and merely by circumstance, they become involved in it. Without more information to determine all the context, the data is nearly meaningless. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 9, 2024 23:21:22 GMT
NO NO NO NO NO THOSE NUMBERS ARE WRONG DATA PULLED FROM THE IRS BY THE TAX FOUNDATION IS INCORRECT I KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS AND I'M THE EXPERT WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG NO NO NO NO NO I AM RIGHT [/freon] The data is wrong? I never said that, so I find your sarcasm a bit weird. I said your INTERPRETATION of the data is wrong. Don't you know the difference between the two? I assumed this is common sense, yet you righties constantly misinterpret data, as information. So let me be clear. Data are measurable, verifiable facts. Information provides context to data, so it can be understood. Data alone, very rarely provides useful information. A good example is the far right view of Blacks, based on FBI criminal statistics. The data is accurate, and it does show that Blacks have higher rates for certain crime. But with no context tied to that data, the viewer is left to conclude anything they want, and the far right chooses to conclude that Black nature is more criminally-minded. That might be true, but it also might be true that they are condensed in environments where crime is more likely to happen, and merely by circumstance, they become involved in it. Without more information to determine all the context, the data is nearly meaningless. Freon Same dimwit games. Freon: The rich aren’t paying as much as the poor in taxes!!! Rabbit: yes they are. Freon: you are misinformed!!! Rabbit: here’s how much different economic classes pay toward total income tax received by the federal government. The top 25% pay almost all of it. The top 5% pay over 60%. Freon: you don’t know how to understand data!!! Rabbit: ok. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 10, 2024 0:15:50 GMT
The data is wrong? I never said that, so I find your sarcasm a bit weird. I said your INTERPRETATION of the data is wrong. Don't you know the difference between the two? I assumed this is common sense, yet you righties constantly misinterpret data, as information. So let me be clear. Data are measurable, verifiable facts. Information provides context to data, so it can be understood. Data alone, very rarely provides useful information. A good example is the far right view of Blacks, based on FBI criminal statistics. The data is accurate, and it does show that Blacks have higher rates for certain crime. But with no context tied to that data, the viewer is left to conclude anything they want, and the far right chooses to conclude that Black nature is more criminally-minded. That might be true, but it also might be true that they are condensed in environments where crime is more likely to happen, and merely by circumstance, they become involved in it. Without more information to determine all the context, the data is nearly meaningless. Freon Same dimwit games. Freon: The rich aren’t paying as much as the poor in taxes!!! Rabbit: yes they are. Freon: you are misinformed!!! Rabbit: here’s how much different economic classes pay toward total income tax received by the federal government. The top 25% pay almost all of it. The top 5% pay over 60%. Freon: you don’t know how to understand data!!! Rabbit: ok. I think you got it. You don't know how to distinguish data from information. And apparently, you are ok with that. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 10, 2024 0:21:20 GMT
Same dimwit games. Freon: The rich aren’t paying as much as the poor in taxes!!! Rabbit: yes they are. Freon: you are misinformed!!! Rabbit: here’s how much different economic classes pay toward total income tax received by the federal government. The top 25% pay almost all of it. The top 5% pay over 60%. Freon: you don’t know how to understand data!!! Rabbit: ok. I think you got it. You don't know how to distinguish data from information. And apparently, you are ok with that. Freon Not an argument. Just dimwit games. Hope you have a great evening. You’ve impressed everybody once again by never making an actual argument lol. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 10, 2024 0:53:14 GMT
I think you got it. You don't know how to distinguish data from information. And apparently, you are ok with that. Freon Not an argument. Just dimwit games. Hope you have a great evening. You’ve impressed everybody once again by never making an actual argument lol. It is not logical or accurate to assume that because you do not understand something, that everyone else doesn't either. I find you arrogant to assume that your ability to understand defines the baseline for others, but that you do, explains why you lack the understanding I've previously alluded to. Now, an intelligent person would recognize the gap between data and information, especially now that you've been made aware of the distinction, and seek to pursue context when interpreting data. But not you. You have basically said that you know best, that you are always right, and that there is nothing new for you to learn. And by far, THAT is the biggest difference between someone like you and someone like me. I'm having a great evening, and I appreciate the insincere well wishes. Freon |
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Post by thor on Sept 10, 2024 1:26:43 GMT
Not an argument. Just dimwit games. Hope you have a great evening. You’ve impressed everybody once again by never making an actual argument lol. It is not logical or accurate to assume that because you do not understand something, that everyone else doesn't either. I find you arrogant to assume that your ability to understand defines the baseline for others, but that you do, explains why you lack the understanding I've previously alluded to. Now, an intelligent person would recognize the gap between data and information, especially now that you've been made aware of the distinction, and seek to pursue context when interpreting data. But not you. You have basically said that you know best, that you are always right, and that there is nothing new for you to learn. And by far, THAT is the biggest difference between someone like you and someone like me. I'm having a great evening, and I appreciate the insincere well wishes. Freon His 'well wishes' are the equivalent of 'Bless your heart' in my neck of the woods. That said, these people not knowing the difference between data and information explains soooo much about them. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 10, 2024 1:36:55 GMT
It is not logical or accurate to assume that because you do not understand something, that everyone else doesn't either. I find you arrogant to assume that your ability to understand defines the baseline for others, but that you do, explains why you lack the understanding I've previously alluded to. Now, an intelligent person would recognize the gap between data and information, especially now that you've been made aware of the distinction, and seek to pursue context when interpreting data. But not you. You have basically said that you know best, that you are always right, and that there is nothing new for you to learn. And by far, THAT is the biggest difference between someone like you and someone like me. I'm having a great evening, and I appreciate the insincere well wishes. Freon His 'well wishes' are the equivalent of 'Bless your heart' in my neck of the woods. That said, these people not knowing the difference between data and information explains soooo much about them. I don't see an issue with those untrained in data analysis not understanding the distinction between the two. All they have is common sense, and it really doesn't help in this area. But once they learn that there IS a distinction, to continue relying on common sense, becomes a desire to maintain points of view that they now have the ability to refute, and then choose not to refute it. THAT type of thinking is intentionally bigoted, and deserves zero respect. Freon |
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Post by thor on Sept 10, 2024 1:53:14 GMT
His 'well wishes' are the equivalent of 'Bless your heart' in my neck of the woods. That said, these people not knowing the difference between data and information explains soooo much about them. I don't see an issue with those untrained in data analysis not understanding the distinction between the two. All they have is common sense, and it really doesn't help in this area. But once they learn that there IS a distinction, to continue relying on common sense, becomes a desire to maintain points of view that they now have the ability to refute, and then choose not to refute it. THAT type of thinking is intentionally bigoted, and deserves zero respect. Freon Sounds a lot like Cognitive Dissonance, doesn't it? |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 10, 2024 2:20:30 GMT
Fobbit is a major mistake...
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 10, 2024 2:27:07 GMT
Not an argument. Just dimwit games. Hope you have a great evening. You’ve impressed everybody once again by never making an actual argument lol. It is not logical or accurate to assume that because you do not understand something, that everyone else doesn't either. I find you arrogant to assume that your ability to understand defines the baseline for others, but that you do, explains why you lack the understanding I've previously alluded to. Now, an intelligent person would recognize the gap between data and information, especially now that you've been made aware of the distinction, and seek to pursue context when interpreting data. But not you. You have basically said that you know best, that you are always right, and that there is nothing new for you to learn. And by far, THAT is the biggest difference between someone like you and someone like me. I'm having a great evening, and I appreciate the insincere well wishes. Freon Lmao. Put up or stfu already loser. You said his interpretation is wrong. So provide what you consider to be the correct interpretation of the data from the IRS that he provided. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 10, 2024 2:35:20 GMT
I don't see an issue with those untrained in data analysis not understanding the distinction between the two. All they have is common sense, and it really doesn't help in this area. But once they learn that there IS a distinction, to continue relying on common sense, becomes a desire to maintain points of view that they now have the ability to refute, and then choose not to refute it. THAT type of thinking is intentionally bigoted, and deserves zero respect. Freon Sounds a lot like Cognitive Dissonance, doesn't it? Well, yeah, on some levels, it does. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 10, 2024 2:42:12 GMT
It is not logical or accurate to assume that because you do not understand something, that everyone else doesn't either. I find you arrogant to assume that your ability to understand defines the baseline for others, but that you do, explains why you lack the understanding I've previously alluded to. Now, an intelligent person would recognize the gap between data and information, especially now that you've been made aware of the distinction, and seek to pursue context when interpreting data. But not you. You have basically said that you know best, that you are always right, and that there is nothing new for you to learn. And by far, THAT is the biggest difference between someone like you and someone like me. I'm having a great evening, and I appreciate the insincere well wishes. Freon Lmao. Put up or stfu already loser. You said his interpretation is wrong. So provide what you consider to be the correct interpretation of the data from the IRS that he provided. If you read what I wrote, I said that NO meaning can be interpreted from that data regarding the subject we are discussing. So it's not that his interpretation is inaccurate, it's that we cannot know if it is, or is not, based on that data. In other words, he actually might be right. But without context, that data does not allow us to say one way or another, yet he is citing it as proof of his point of view, and that demonstrates a lack of understanding the difference between data and information. Now I KNOW my answer will not satisfy you, and you will respond that I have not proven a thing, and that he 'won' this conversation. But I also know that I cannot prove a thing for you, regardless of what I post or link. Only you can do that for yourselves, and as I just stated, you are unwilling to refute your own prejudices, so unlikely you will do so. But none of that is my goal here. I have a different goal, and I it may take some time to discern whether I succeeded or not. Freon |
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 10, 2024 3:00:13 GMT
Lmao. Put up or stfu already loser. You said his interpretation is wrong. So provide what you consider to be the correct interpretation of the data from the IRS that he provided. If you read what I wrote, I said that NO meaning can be interpreted from that data regarding the subject we are discussing. So it's not that his interpretation is inaccurate, it's that we cannot know if it is, or is not, based on that data. In other words, he actually might be right. But without context, that data does not allow us to say one way or another, yet he is citing it as proof of his point of view, and that demonstrates a lack of understanding the difference between data and information. Now I KNOW my answer will not satisfy you, and you will respond that I have not proven a thing, and that he 'won' this conversation. But I also know that I cannot prove a thing for you, regardless of what I post or link. Only you can do that for yourselves, and as I just stated, you are unwilling to refute your own prejudices, so unlikely you will do so. But none of that is my goal here. I have a different goal, and I it may take some time to discern whether I succeeded or not. Freon No, that's not what you said you retarded liar. You said nothing of the sort. You said," I said your INTERPRETATION of the data is wrong." So what is the correct interpretation? Stop being a cowardly foreigner. Get your google translate working correctly and actually contribute more than bullshit for a change. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 10, 2024 3:27:31 GMT
If you read what I wrote, I said that NO meaning can be interpreted from that data regarding the subject we are discussing. So it's not that his interpretation is inaccurate, it's that we cannot know if it is, or is not, based on that data. In other words, he actually might be right. But without context, that data does not allow us to say one way or another, yet he is citing it as proof of his point of view, and that demonstrates a lack of understanding the difference between data and information. Now I KNOW my answer will not satisfy you, and you will respond that I have not proven a thing, and that he 'won' this conversation. But I also know that I cannot prove a thing for you, regardless of what I post or link. Only you can do that for yourselves, and as I just stated, you are unwilling to refute your own prejudices, so unlikely you will do so. But none of that is my goal here. I have a different goal, and I it may take some time to discern whether I succeeded or not. Freon No, that's not what you said you retarded liar. You said nothing of the sort. You said," I said your INTERPRETATION of the data is wrong." So what is the correct interpretation? Stop being a cowardly foreigner. Get your google translate working correctly and actually contribute more than bullshit for a change. You have a point, actually. I should have said, 'Your interpretation of the data MAY be accurate, but the data alone cannot reveal that'. Freon |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 10, 2024 9:56:14 GMT
Not an argument. Just dimwit games. Hope you have a great evening. You’ve impressed everybody once again by never making an actual argument lol. It is not logical or accurate to assume that because you do not understand something, that everyone else doesn't either. I find you arrogant to assume that your ability to understand defines the baseline for others, but that you do, explains why you lack the understanding I've previously alluded to. Now, an intelligent person would recognize the gap between data and information, especially now that you've been made aware of the distinction, and seek to pursue context when interpreting data. But not you. You have basically said that you know best, that you are always right, and that there is nothing new for you to learn. And by far, THAT is the biggest difference between someone like you and someone like me. I'm having a great evening, and I appreciate the insincere well wishes. Freon The hundredth time you’ve combined saying “you don’t understand data and information” with “I will not demonstrate how I understand it, and make no real rebuttal to the data you presented.” Literal morons might be impressed with it. But saying “you don’t understand data and information so I win” is pathetic by definition. I hope this new day brings you joy and comfort. |
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