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Post by freonbale on Jul 9, 2024 0:56:25 GMT
I called out hypocrisy on your part. I had no interest in the topic. If you think otherwise, that misunderstanding is on you. I would, and will, respond exactly the same next time. Freon What’s the hypocrisy. I pointed out that the op was wrong. Why is calling out someone being wrong hypocrisy?? "What is it about the left - whether this, covid vaccines, or shotguns - that they simply cannot say you know, I was not aware of that fact. Thanks for sharing." You didn't know either. You web searched, found what you wanted, and then acted like it was knowledge you had prior to searching, all while accusing 'the left' of doing the same. Hypocrite. Freon
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Post by thor on Jul 9, 2024 2:19:20 GMT
I called out hypocrisy on your part. I had no interest in the topic. If you think otherwise, that misunderstanding is on you. I would, and will, respond exactly the same next time. Freon What’s the hypocrisy. I pointed out that the op was wrong. Why is calling out someone being wrong hypocrisy?? The OP wasn't wrong, dummy.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2024 18:07:50 GMT
And how have you changed? Standard far right response; When accused, attack. We were not discussing me, though if you wish, we can. But only AFTER this topic is finalized. Freon Oops, you think you are setting up some kind of rules or parameters. And perceiving the question as an "attack" reeks of paranoia.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 10, 2024 18:50:53 GMT
Standard far right response; When accused, attack. We were not discussing me, though if you wish, we can. But only AFTER this topic is finalized. Freon Oops, you think you are setting up some kind of rules or parameters. And perceiving the question as an "attack" reeks of paranoia. Another distraction to avoid the topic, Mercy? (another strategy the far right use, btw) That's fine. You choose not to answer the question, therefore you acknowledge my points. Freon
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Post by petep on Jul 10, 2024 18:58:44 GMT
Oops, you think you are setting up some kind of rules or parameters. And perceiving the question as an "attack" reeks of paranoia. Another distraction to avoid the topic, Mercy? (another strategy the far right use, btw) That's fine. You choose not to answer the question, therefore you acknowledge my points. Freon Now mercy is far right? Mercy is about as moderate as they come - consistently. Me - half the time I’m being serious about what I post and half the time I’m posting with some degree of seriousness but also taking a more extreme position to see a response from you and others on the left. But mercy is very consistently in the middle and logical.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 10, 2024 19:04:46 GMT
Another distraction to avoid the topic, Mercy? (another strategy the far right use, btw) That's fine. You choose not to answer the question, therefore you acknowledge my points. Freon Now mercy is far right? Mercy is about as moderate as they come - consistently. Me - half the time I’m being serious about what I post and half the time I’m posting with some degree of seriousness but also taking a more extreme position to see a response from you and others on the left. But mercy is very consistently in the middle and logical. Mercy and you far righties have a lot in common is what I mean when I say he's far right. I do not mean he is a fundamentalist, but he is a Christian nationalist, at least the lite version. He argues the way you do. And he supports many of your goals and values, while at the same time claiming he doesn't like Donald, who espouses them. Not everything is purely one way or another, petep. It is possible to lean one way, yet still be mostly another. Since you are the type that DOES lean only one way, this may be difficult to accept. Freon
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Post by petep on Jul 10, 2024 19:10:19 GMT
Now mercy is far right? Mercy is about as moderate as they come - consistently. Me - half the time I’m being serious about what I post and half the time I’m posting with some degree of seriousness but also taking a more extreme position to see a response from you and others on the left. But mercy is very consistently in the middle and logical. Mercy and you far righties have a lot in common is what I mean when I say he's far right. I do not mean he is a fundamentalist, but he is a Christian nationalist, at least the lite version. He argues the way you do. And he supports many of your goals and values, while at the same time claiming he doesn't like Donald, who espouses them. Not everything is purely one way or another, petep. It is possible to lean one way, yet still be mostly another. Since you are the type that DOES lean only one way, this may be difficult to accept. Freon I’m a fiscal conservative and socially liberal. The bar my wife and I go to each week for music is owned by a lesbian with a big gay crowd. My wife and I were married by a gay minister and his partner was our photographer. I’m a small govt don’t tread on me conservative. It’s you who wants to lump me in a box with often hypocritical Christian evangelists who want as much regulation on their issues as the left autocrats want on theirs.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 10, 2024 19:13:49 GMT
Mercy and you far righties have a lot in common is what I mean when I say he's far right. I do not mean he is a fundamentalist, but he is a Christian nationalist, at least the lite version. He argues the way you do. And he supports many of your goals and values, while at the same time claiming he doesn't like Donald, who espouses them. Not everything is purely one way or another, petep. It is possible to lean one way, yet still be mostly another. Since you are the type that DOES lean only one way, this may be difficult to accept. Freon I’m a fiscal conservative and socially liberal. The bar my wife and I go to each week for music is owned by a lesbian with a big gay crowd. My wife and I were married by a gay minister and his partner was our photographer. I’m a small govt don’t tread on me conservative. It’s you who wants to lump me in a box with often hypocritical Christian evangelists who want as much regulation on their issues as the left autocrats want on theirs. I can only lump you in where your talking points put you. I do find it interesting that our political views, as specified explicitly by each of us, actually coincide to such a large degree. Yet would you consider you and I on the same political spectrum in here? I would not. So what does that mean? Freon
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Post by petep on Jul 10, 2024 20:15:20 GMT
I’m a fiscal conservative and socially liberal. The bar my wife and I go to each week for music is owned by a lesbian with a big gay crowd. My wife and I were married by a gay minister and his partner was our photographer. I’m a small govt don’t tread on me conservative. It’s you who wants to lump me in a box with often hypocritical Christian evangelists who want as much regulation on their issues as the left autocrats want on theirs. I can only lump you in where your talking points put you. I do find it interesting that our political views, as specified explicitly by each of us, actually coincide to such a large degree. Yet would you consider you and I on the same political spectrum in here? I would not. So what does that mean? Freon If I’m being 100 percent serious I have no idea. Limey put it best once when he said person on lnf is not person in real life. Not referring to me just a general comment on personalities online. In fact I did spend time with limey when he was in Boston. My wife and I and him. And we lit up the town. Drinks first at the black rose. Then a great dinner at Tresca in the north end. Then back to black rose till closing. Now I’ve always respected his arguments and just judging by online posts one may conclude we are not aligned politically. Joe could those two hang out. In fact in the 6-7 hours we hung out together I would say he is definitely someone I’d want to stay in touch with and spend time with anytime the opportunity presented itself. Or make the opportunity. So the truth is you never know. My guess is we’d probably have a great time in San Diego. I love that place. Everything from a bit north of the city, to old town and the hotel del Coronado. Amazing brunch. Cool history. Despite my ribbings I do love so cal. I have cousins and an aunt (92 yrs old) in Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, balboa island and Coto de caza, a bit east. The one in coto actually was the inspiration for the housewives show - but she said no way to being on tv. One of her neighbors was on it.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2024 21:01:07 GMT
Oops, you think you are setting up some kind of rules or parameters. And perceiving the question as an "attack" reeks of paranoia. Another distraction to avoid the topic, Mercy? (another strategy the far right use, btw) That's fine. You choose not to answer the question, therefore you acknowledge my points. Freon "YoU cHoOsE nOt To AnSwEr ThE qUeStIoN, tHeReFoRe YoU aCkNoWlEdGe My PoInTs." Yeah, that's how it works. I grew up with two brothers. They did that kind of thing when they were 12. You have not asked a question worth answering. I can't even keep track of all the questions you've asked which were not asked in good faith, but were veiled accusations based on false premises. Kind of like...when did you stop beating your wife? Oh...you don't want to answer that? "I gUeSs YoU'rE sTiLl BeAtInG yOuR wIfE." What exactly is..."the topic," again?
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Post by freonbale on Jul 10, 2024 21:16:36 GMT
I can only lump you in where your talking points put you. I do find it interesting that our political views, as specified explicitly by each of us, actually coincide to such a large degree. Yet would you consider you and I on the same political spectrum in here? I would not. So what does that mean? Freon If I’m being 100 percent serious I have no idea. Limey put it best once when he said person on lnf is not person in real life. Not referring to me just a general comment on personalities online. In fact I did spend time with limey when he was in Boston. My wife and I and him. And we lit up the town. Drinks first at the black rose. Then a great dinner at Tresca in the north end. Then back to black rose till closing. Now I’ve always respected his arguments and just judging by online posts one may conclude we are not aligned politically. Joe could those two hang out. In fact in the 6-7 hours we hung out together I would say he is definitely someone I’d want to stay in touch with and spend time with anytime the opportunity presented itself. Or make the opportunity. So the truth is you never know. My guess is we’d probably have a great time in San Diego. I love that place. Everything from a bit north of the city, to old town and the hotel del Coronado. Amazing brunch. Cool history. Despite my ribbings I do love so cal. I have cousins and an aunt (92 yrs old) in Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, balboa island and Coto de caza, a bit east. The one in coto actually was the inspiration for the housewives show - but she said no way to being on tv. One of her neighbors was on it. I have no issue with most in here on a personal level, which is why I do not take part in personal name-calling attacks that are so common. I purely address political perspectives, and character. Unfortunately, those two are often viewed as personal attacks anyway, but that too, says more about the character of the one misinterpreting, than the one being misinterpreted. My point is that I believe I could have a beer with just about anyone in here. Our differences politically are a good thing, and we should be able to befriend others, regardless of them. I regularly communicate with those with differing views IRL, and we do just fine. One of my coworkers is a Texas immigrant to Cali looking for greater opportunities, is a conservative, and for a while, felt he could not express himself, lest he be ostracized. Honestly no idea why he felt that way. Once we realized what was going on, we encouraged him to speak his mind, and while we don't agree on many things, we have no issue being friendly and working together. That's what California is to me. A place where everyone can have their views, but we all still are cool with each other. But my question to you was a little different to that. According to your stated political views, you and I are very similar. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Yet I don't see us as having similar politics at all. So what do you make of that? Freon
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Post by freonbale on Jul 10, 2024 21:22:47 GMT
Another distraction to avoid the topic, Mercy? (another strategy the far right use, btw) That's fine. You choose not to answer the question, therefore you acknowledge my points. Freon "YoU cHoOsE nOt To AnSwEr ThE qUeStIoN, tHeReFoRe YoU aCkNoWlEdGe My PoInTs." Yeah, that's how it works. I grew up with two brothers. They did that kind of thing when they were 12. You have not asked a question worth answering. I can't even keep track of all the questions you've asked which were not asked in good faith, but were veiled accusations based on false premises. Kind of like...when did you stop beating your wife? Oh...you don't want to answer that? "I gUeSs YoU'rE sTiLl BeAtInG yOuR wIfE." What exactly is..."the topic," again? More attacks? And now you've added anecdotes that are childish and unrelated to the topic? Maybe I AM mistaken about you, Mercy. Maybe it's just that you are TERRIBLE at arguing, which happens to be the same for the far righties. I had no idea such a simple question would cause you to expose your true character so clearly, Mercy. If my questions lack so much integrity, as you say, then your choice to converse with me, means you never intended on having a real conversation to begin with. That is the very definition of lack of integrity. How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning? Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2024 22:00:37 GMT
"YoU cHoOsE nOt To AnSwEr ThE qUeStIoN, tHeReFoRe YoU aCkNoWlEdGe My PoInTs." Yeah, that's how it works. I grew up with two brothers. They did that kind of thing when they were 12. You have not asked a question worth answering. I can't even keep track of all the questions you've asked which were not asked in good faith, but were veiled accusations based on false premises. Kind of like...when did you stop beating your wife? Oh...you don't want to answer that? "I gUeSs YoU'rE sTiLl BeAtInG yOuR wIfE." What exactly is..."the topic," again? More attacks? And now you've added anecdotes that are childish and unrelated to the topic? Maybe I AM mistaken about you, Mercy. Maybe it's just that you are TERRIBLE at arguing, which happens to be the same for the far righties. I had no idea such a simple question would cause you to expose your true character so clearly, Mercy. If my questions lack so much integrity, as you say, then your choice to converse with me, means you never intended on having a real conversation to begin with. That is the very definition of lack of integrity. How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning? Freon What is the question? You just added another question: "How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning?" With my eyes. Or...was that "just an attack"? I think the answer is obvious.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 10, 2024 22:09:27 GMT
More attacks? And now you've added anecdotes that are childish and unrelated to the topic? Maybe I AM mistaken about you, Mercy. Maybe it's just that you are TERRIBLE at arguing, which happens to be the same for the far righties. I had no idea such a simple question would cause you to expose your true character so clearly, Mercy. If my questions lack so much integrity, as you say, then your choice to converse with me, means you never intended on having a real conversation to begin with. That is the very definition of lack of integrity. How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning? Freon What is the question? You just added another question: "How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning?" With my eyes. Or...was that "just an attack"? I think the answer is obvious. So now your distraction is not knowing the difference between a rhetorical question and an actual one? How many posts is this with your tangents to avoid answering a simple question. This is why I don't have conversations with you, Mercy. You cannot stay on topic, you do not answer questions, and you will not acknowledge when you are beaten. But that does not mean I've given up on you. Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2024 23:57:37 GMT
What is the question? You just added another question: "How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning?" With my eyes. Or...was that "just an attack"? I think the answer is obvious. So now your distraction is not knowing the difference between a rhetorical question and an actual one? How many posts is this with your tangents to avoid answering a simple question. This is why I don't have conversations with you, Mercy. You cannot stay on topic, you do not answer questions, and you will not acknowledge when you are beaten. But that does not mean I've given up on you. Freon Which is the question for which you are so desperately awaiting an answer?
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Post by freonbale on Jul 11, 2024 2:08:57 GMT
So now your distraction is not knowing the difference between a rhetorical question and an actual one? How many posts is this with your tangents to avoid answering a simple question. This is why I don't have conversations with you, Mercy. You cannot stay on topic, you do not answer questions, and you will not acknowledge when you are beaten. But that does not mean I've given up on you. Freon Which is the question for which you are so desperately awaiting an answer? I said, "lol, you see, Mercy for All, you are one of them. They totally side with you, because they see you as a peer. So why don't you see yourself that way?" You responded, "Do you not see how illogical such a conclusion is?..." To which I responded asking you to show my illogic, which you still have not done. You went on this long boring hubris tangent, then several other tangents, but you will not answer the question, and demonstrate this illogic you accuse me of. I'm desperate to know my illogic, Mercy! Freon p.s. now you see the work you made me do? If I had given up on you, I would not have done it.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 11, 2024 16:32:01 GMT
Which is the question for which you are so desperately awaiting an answer? I said, "lol, you see, Mercy for All, you are one of them. They totally side with you, because they see you as a peer. So why don't you see yourself that way?" You responded, "Do you not see how illogical such a conclusion is?..." To which I responded asking you to show my illogic, which you still have not done. You went on this long boring hubris tangent, then several other tangents, but you will not answer the question, and demonstrate this illogic you accuse me of. I'm desperate to know my illogic, Mercy! Freon p.s. now you see the work you made me do? If I had given up on you, I would not have done it. Wait, what? That wasn't a rhetorical question? "How do you look at yourself in a mirror" is a rhetorical question that must be taken as such, but "...why don't you see yourself that way" is not a rhetorical question that must be answered. And in the same thread, you could "sit down and have a beer with someone" despite political differences, but "because people 'side with me'" (whatever that even means), it indicates that "I am one of them." Absolutely ridiculous. How can you take yourself seriously?
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Post by freonbale on Jul 11, 2024 17:02:42 GMT
I said, "lol, you see, Mercy for All, you are one of them. They totally side with you, because they see you as a peer. So why don't you see yourself that way?" You responded, "Do you not see how illogical such a conclusion is?..." To which I responded asking you to show my illogic, which you still have not done. You went on this long boring hubris tangent, then several other tangents, but you will not answer the question, and demonstrate this illogic you accuse me of. I'm desperate to know my illogic, Mercy! Freon p.s. now you see the work you made me do? If I had given up on you, I would not have done it. Wait, what? That wasn't a rhetorical question? "How do you look at yourself in a mirror" is a rhetorical question that must be taken as such, but "...why don't you see yourself that way" is not a rhetorical question that must be answered. And in the same thread, you could "sit down and have a beer with someone" despite political differences, but "because people 'side with me'" (whatever that even means), it indicates that "I am one of them." Absolutely ridiculous. How can you take yourself seriously? For now, I'm done with you, Mercy. This response is irrational. Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 11, 2024 17:34:25 GMT
Wait, what? That wasn't a rhetorical question? "How do you look at yourself in a mirror" is a rhetorical question that must be taken as such, but "...why don't you see yourself that way" is not a rhetorical question that must be answered. And in the same thread, you could "sit down and have a beer with someone" despite political differences, but "because people 'side with me'" (whatever that even means), it indicates that "I am one of them." Absolutely ridiculous. How can you take yourself seriously? For now, I'm done with you, Mercy. This response is irrational. Freon Your willful misunderstanding (or claim to misunderstanding) is not a legitimate grounds for dismissing my post as irrational. You demonstrate a deep insecurity that perceives accurate appraisals as “attacks” while conveniently ignoring your own personal and religious insults, a natural outgrowth of your own maniacal (and self-admitted) arrogance. That you see people “siding with me” has more to do with your own foibles than any core affinities or allegiances between those who respond negatively to you.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 11, 2024 19:07:33 GMT
For now, I'm done with you, Mercy. This response is irrational. Freon Your willful misunderstanding (or claim to misunderstanding) is not a legitimate grounds for dismissing my post as irrational. You demonstrate a deep insecurity that perceives accurate appraisals as “attacks” while conveniently ignoring your own personal and religious insults, a natural outgrowth of your own maniacal (and self-admitted) arrogance. That you see people “siding with me” has more to do with your own foibles than any core affinities or allegiances between those who respond negatively to you. All you have to do is show me where I was illogical. You made the accusation, so support it. I don't even CARE that you made the statement, lol. I am simply holding you accountable for words you said, purely to see if you have even the slightest bit of integrity. A dozen posts later, it's clear you do not. Yet ANOTHER similarity with the far right. As to the religious insults, I only use them on you, because only you have such thin skin regarding them. It's clearly a button for you, and you should consider the reasons why. If your position in that area is as strong as you say, then my words could not possibly bother you enough to complain about. Freon
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