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Post by rabbitreborn on Apr 30, 2024 22:10:02 GMT
Let’s make this easy wads. Assume the mother and baby are perfectly healthy. No abnormalities. Is there a month out of 9 after which you’d say no more abortions. Or is a late term abortion - baby is about to crown - all still ok. Or do you want to keep arguing theories but never take a stand. That just does not happen. As I said many, many times on this forum. less than 1% of abortions are after 24 weeks. Why do you people dwell on that. Why? Because you know that your argument on the 98% of abortions in the 1st trimester is a fail. Ok. So if there are 600,000 abortions, let’s say there are 1,000-5,000 late term abortions. Should those be allowed?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Apr 30, 2024 22:11:59 GMT
I don’t believe that. When you ask a question, wait for the person to respond. But I linked to an article that clearly stated that not every late term abortion is due to the baby not being viable. Are you going to pretend it’s not in there again? Pretend that you see every other paragraph except for those? Like you did before? “… The analysis shows that abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. Ninety-six percent occurred at or before 15 weeks gestation, while 3% occurred from 16 to 20 weeks gestation. Notably, discussions about abortions occurring later in pregnancy are often fraught with misinformation; in fact, abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth” are illegal in the U.S. and do not occur. KFF also looks at the other issues with abortions later in pregnancy, including the expense of the procedures, which often require travel and lost wages, and the lack of availability given that they are only performed by a fraction of abortion providers. Additionally, KFF explores why people seek abortions later in pregnancy, including medical concerns such as fetal anomalies, maternal health, or life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion. …” www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/So up to 6,000 late term abortions per year? Yikes. That’s so many.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 30, 2024 23:08:02 GMT
That just does not happen. As I said many, many times on this forum. less than 1% of abortions are after 24 weeks. Why do you people dwell on that. Why? Because you know that your argument on the 98% of abortions in the 1st trimester is a fail. Ok. So if there are 600,000 abortions, let’s say there are 1,000-5,000 late term abortions. Should those be allowed? That is between the doctor and his/her patients.
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Post by sokpupet on Apr 30, 2024 23:16:43 GMT
“… The analysis shows that abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. Ninety-six percent occurred at or before 15 weeks gestation, while 3% occurred from 16 to 20 weeks gestation. Notably, discussions about abortions occurring later in pregnancy are often fraught with misinformation; in fact, abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth” are illegal in the U.S. and do not occur. KFF also looks at the other issues with abortions later in pregnancy, including the expense of the procedures, which often require travel and lost wages, and the lack of availability given that they are only performed by a fraction of abortion providers. Additionally, KFF explores why people seek abortions later in pregnancy, including medical concerns such as fetal anomalies, maternal health, or life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion. …” www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/So up to 6,000 late term abortions per year? Yikes. That’s so many. 320-600
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Post by rabbitreborn on May 1, 2024 1:16:51 GMT
Ok. So if there are 600,000 abortions, let’s say there are 1,000-5,000 late term abortions. Should those be allowed? That is between the doctor and his/her patients. So stop saying they don’t happen. You support late term abortions and those abortions are occurring. Why are you saying they don’t happen when they do happen and you don’t oppose them?
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Post by rabbitreborn on May 1, 2024 1:22:03 GMT
So up to 6,000 late term abortions per year? Yikes. That’s so many. 320-600 Data I’m seeing is showing 600,000 abortions per year. You’re saying 1% are late term. What’s 1% of 600,000?
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Post by thecitizen on May 1, 2024 2:37:22 GMT
That is between the doctor and his/her patients. So stop saying they don’t happen. You support late term abortions and those abortions are occurring. Why are you saying they don’t happen when they do happen and you don’t oppose them? Are you really that dense. I said no one aborts viable babies. All fetuses in gestation over 24 weeks are not viable.
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Post by petep on May 1, 2024 12:58:54 GMT
So stop saying they don’t happen. You support late term abortions and those abortions are occurring. Why are you saying they don’t happen when they do happen and you don’t oppose them? Are you really that dense. I said no one aborts viable babies. All fetuses in gestation over 24 weeks are not viable. “No one aborts viable babies” Sure wads.
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Post by rabbitreborn on May 1, 2024 13:02:30 GMT
So stop saying they don’t happen. You support late term abortions and those abortions are occurring. Why are you saying they don’t happen when they do happen and you don’t oppose them? Are you really that dense. I said no one aborts viable babies. All fetuses in gestation over 24 weeks are not viable. You're always wrong. No matter how many times you change your story and pretend you didn't write something, your new narrative is wrong as well. From sokpuppet's link: www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/The bolded sections are not describing non-viable babies. They are describing healthy babies that are not wanted. From the same link, here are the different reasons people give for having an abortion after 21 weeks. Raising money for procedure and related costs
Not knowing about the pregnancy
Difficulty securing insurance coverage
Trouble deciding about the abortion
Not knowing where to go for an abortion
Difficulty getting to an abortion facility
Disagreeing about the abortion with the man involved
What's that you say about abortions not occurring?
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Post by thecitizen on May 1, 2024 15:24:06 GMT
Are you really that dense. I said no one aborts viable babies. All fetuses in gestation over 24 weeks are not viable. “No one aborts viable babies” Sure wads. No one aborts viable babies. That has always been illegal, dumbass
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Post by thecitizen on May 1, 2024 15:26:30 GMT
Are you really that dense. I said no one aborts viable babies. All fetuses in gestation over 24 weeks are not viable. You're always wrong. No matter how many times you change your story and pretend you didn't write something, your new narrative is wrong as well. From sokpuppet's link: www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/The bolded sections are not describing non-viable babies. They are describing healthy babies that are not wanted. From the same link, here are the different reasons people give for having an abortion after 21 weeks. Raising money for procedure and related costs
Not knowing about the pregnancy
Difficulty securing insurance coverage
Trouble deciding about the abortion
Not knowing where to go for an abortion
Difficulty getting to an abortion facility
Disagreeing about the abortion with the man involved
What's that you say about abortions not occurring? So now you moved the goal post from 24 weeks to 20 weeks. You are a fucking idiot
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Post by rabbitreborn on May 1, 2024 16:45:45 GMT
You're always wrong. No matter how many times you change your story and pretend you didn't write something, your new narrative is wrong as well. From sokpuppet's link: www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/The bolded sections are not describing non-viable babies. They are describing healthy babies that are not wanted. From the same link, here are the different reasons people give for having an abortion after 21 weeks. Raising money for procedure and related costs
Not knowing about the pregnancy
Difficulty securing insurance coverage
Trouble deciding about the abortion
Not knowing where to go for an abortion
Difficulty getting to an abortion facility
Disagreeing about the abortion with the man involved
What's that you say about abortions not occurring? So now you moved the goal post from 24 weeks to 20 weeks. You are a fucking idiot Well, in fairness, the article did. KFF. Formerly known as the Kaiser Family Foundation. I didn't do anything except use sokpuppet's link. And it was 21 weeks. Did you know that babies have survived being born at 21 and 22 weeks? Interesting that. Perhaps relevant as well.
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Post by DaveJavu on May 1, 2024 16:52:44 GMT
So now you moved the goal post from 24 weeks to 20 weeks. You are a fucking idiot Well, in fairness, the article did. KFF. Formerly known as the Kaiser Family Foundation. I didn't do anything except use sokpuppet's link. And it was 21 weeks. Did you know that babies have survived being born at 21 and 22 weeks? Interesting that. Perhaps relevant as well. Of course you don't really care if the "baby" survived, dumbass, because once it is born you no longer care. For all we know, assuming that's even true, it died quickly because if an undeveloped immune system but what do you care. Right bastard? As long as it gives your kind an excuse to ruin the lives of countless women. It's all good!
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Post by thecitizen on May 1, 2024 16:53:02 GMT
So now you moved the goal post from 24 weeks to 20 weeks. You are a fucking idiot Well, in fairness, the article did. KFF. Formerly known as the Kaiser Family Foundation. I didn't do anything except use sokpuppet's link. And it was 21 weeks. Did you know that babies have survived being born at 21 and 22 weeks? Interesting that. Perhaps relevant as well. Some do, but it is rare. Also having abortions after 21 weeks is also rare. I still say the reason you guys always talk about late term abortions is because you have no argument for the 98% of abortions performed during the first trimester
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Post by DaveJavu on May 1, 2024 16:55:35 GMT
Well, in fairness, the article did. KFF. Formerly known as the Kaiser Family Foundation. I didn't do anything except use sokpuppet's link. And it was 21 weeks. Did you know that babies have survived being born at 21 and 22 weeks? Interesting that. Perhaps relevant as well. Some do, but it is rare. Also having abortions after 21 weeks is also rare. I still say the reason you guys always talk about late term aborts is because you have no argument for the 98% of abortions performed during the first trimester Rabbit is a sick bastard that dedicated his life to destroying the lives of women.
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Post by thecitizen on May 1, 2024 16:57:35 GMT
Some do, but it is rare. Also having abortions after 21 weeks is also rare. I still say the reason you guys always talk about late term aborts is because you have no argument for the 98% of abortions performed during the first trimester Rabbit is a sick bastard that dedicated his life to destroying the lives of women. Rabbit is a stupid partisan bitch. Whatever the right tells him to do or think. He does or thinks. No mind of his own
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Post by Fiddler on May 1, 2024 18:32:02 GMT
“… The analysis shows that abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. Ninety-six percent occurred at or before 15 weeks gestation, while 3% occurred from 16 to 20 weeks gestation. Notably, discussions about abortions occurring later in pregnancy are often fraught with misinformation; in fact, abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth” are illegal in the U.S. and do not occur. KFF also looks at the other issues with abortions later in pregnancy, including the expense of the procedures, which often require travel and lost wages, and the lack of availability given that they are only performed by a fraction of abortion providers. Additionally, KFF explores why people seek abortions later in pregnancy, including medical concerns such as fetal anomalies, maternal health, or life endangerment, as well as barriers to care that cause delays in obtaining an abortion. …” www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/So up to 6,000 late term abortions per year? Yikes. That’s so many. Are there people stupid enough to think that those are elective .. ?
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Post by Fiddler on May 1, 2024 18:33:08 GMT
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Post by rabbitreborn on May 1, 2024 18:37:21 GMT
Well, in fairness, the article did. KFF. Formerly known as the Kaiser Family Foundation. I didn't do anything except use sokpuppet's link. And it was 21 weeks. Did you know that babies have survived being born at 21 and 22 weeks? Interesting that. Perhaps relevant as well. Of course you don't really care if the "baby" survived, dumbass, because once it is born you no longer care. Nice strawman. Let me guess. Unless I support the government preserving and supporting all life and sparing no expense, then I don’t care about people at all? Fuck off commie. That’s the end of civilization right there.
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Post by rabbitreborn on May 1, 2024 18:38:36 GMT
Well, in fairness, the article did. KFF. Formerly known as the Kaiser Family Foundation. I didn't do anything except use sokpuppet's link. And it was 21 weeks. Did you know that babies have survived being born at 21 and 22 weeks? Interesting that. Perhaps relevant as well. Some do, but it is rare. Also having abortions after 21 weeks is also rare. I still say the reason you guys always talk about late term abortions is because you have no argument for the 98% of abortions performed during the first trimester Ok it’s rare, relatively. But that’s not the point. Murder of kids and adults is rare in most of the country. Why are you worried about how rare it is? You don’t think it should be banned anyway. Just stay focused on that.
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