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Post by rabbitreborn on Apr 22, 2024 0:58:41 GMT
I actually think it’s immoral and against the hypocratic oath for any doctor to do so to anybody. I think they’re monsters as well. But I wouldn’t make it against the law for adults. I think the bigger issue is that it is lumped in with "health care". Stuff like boob jobs, butt or penis enhancements, botox, chopping off their junk, or any sort of physical changes for the most part. None of it has anything to do with health. The people seeking such "treatments" aren't patients, they are customers paying for an unnecessary service. As adults if they wish to do that to themselves then whatever, but it should definitely not be something for children You’re right. It’s the designation of it as “health care”. Which means taxpayers will inevitably pay for it. We’ll pay for “doctors” to mutilate and castrate children. That’s the kind of shit that can spark a dangerous and awful counter-revolution.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 22, 2024 5:12:20 GMT
I think the bigger issue is that it is lumped in with "health care". Stuff like boob jobs, butt or penis enhancements, botox, chopping off their junk, or any sort of physical changes for the most part. None of it has anything to do with health. The people seeking such "treatments" aren't patients, they are customers paying for an unnecessary service. As adults if they wish to do that to themselves then whatever, but it should definitely not be something for children You’re right. It’s the designation of it as “health care”. Which means taxpayers will inevitably pay for it. We’ll pay for “doctors” to mutilate and castrate children. That’s the kind of shit that can spark a dangerous and awful counter-revolution. Yep. I don't want to be associated with any of that crap but our "health" insurance and by extension the taxpayer is going to be covering it even though we all know it has absolutely nothing to do with health.
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 22, 2024 5:27:31 GMT
I wonder how "transitioning" is handled in nations like England and France, which both probably have gender identity solutions.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 22, 2024 6:03:14 GMT
I wonder how "transitioning" is handled in nations like England and France, which both probably have gender identity solutions.
You also drink stale expired beer. You should probably wonder more about your own health.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 22, 2024 6:32:48 GMT
I wonder how "transitioning" is handled in nations like England and France, which both probably have gender identity solutions.
You also drink stale expired beer. You should probably wonder more about your own health. Someone should pull the plug on you, you're nothing but a drain on resources.
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Post by MojoJojo on Apr 22, 2024 11:02:42 GMT
Whataboutery. Transitioning is wrong, period.Yes, I'm sure there are a few anecdotal cases that can be cited where medical intervention was "necessary", but we both know this is all culturally based and not biological. This is an ugly fad that will pass, but not without harm. OK, that's an opinion. So are you asserting that you get to make the determination for all Trans folk who want to transition. You disappoint me, Mojo. You're correct, it is my opinion. ***I*** think kids should be kids and allowed to grow up, as a kid, into an adult. If they want to identify as something else, when they're an adult, that's fine. They want to mangle their private parts, as an adult, that's fine. The key here is adulthood. It's hard enough growing up in the world without yet another social/cultural movement suggesting all your ills and mental anguish is due to your gender. JFC. This ties in to the drag show nonsense. Drag shows are fine for adults who enjoy them. As these events are explicitly sexual, wtf would anyone take a child to one? I get it, the right has wrapped themselves in a robe of indignation over this, and a bunch of other issues that exist but are over shared (CRT in schools, banning of stoves, on and on the it goes) and therefore perceived as a bigger issue than they really are. I've not seen a drag show advertised around here and not a peep about CRT in schools, and this is deep red MAGA country. I get it, the voices are louder than the problem. That said, why is it so hard to admit that exposing kids to these additional issues, will only make matters worse for them? Would YOU take your young kids to a drag show? If little Thor Jr. told you he was a girl in a man's body, in grade 5, would you immediately go doctor shopping? Be honest.
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Post by petep on Apr 23, 2024 0:39:28 GMT
OK, that's an opinion. So are you asserting that you get to make the determination for all Trans folk who want to transition. You disappoint me, Mojo. You're correct, it is my opinion. ***I*** think kids should be kids and allowed to grow up, as a kid, into an adult. If they want to identify as something else, when they're an adult, that's fine. They want to mangle their private parts, as an adult, that's fine. The key here is adulthood. It's hard enough growing up in the world without yet another social/cultural movement suggesting all your ills and mental anguish is due to your gender. JFC. This ties in to the drag show nonsense. Drag shows are fine for adults who enjoy them. As these events are explicitly sexual, wtf would anyone take a child to one? I get it, the right has wrapped themselves in a robe of indignation over this, and a bunch of other issues that exist but are over shared (CRT in schools, banning of stoves, on and on the it goes) and therefore perceived as a bigger issue than they really are. I've not seen a drag show advertised around here and not a peep about CRT in schools, and this is deep red MAGA country. I get it, the voices are louder than the problem. That said, why is it so hard to admit that exposing kids to these additional issues, will only make matters worse for them? Would YOU take your young kids to a drag show? If little Thor Jr. told you he was a girl in a man's body, in grade 5, would you immediately go doctor shopping? Be honest. Most all people don’t give a crap who you like and what you do in ur bedroom But for some reason democrats running shithole cities want to export failed policies to all else And they want to spend public dollars normalizing every behavior under the sun to grade school kids. Stop forcing your beliefs on everyone to make you feel better.
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Post by thor on Apr 23, 2024 0:50:02 GMT
You're correct, it is my opinion. ***I*** think kids should be kids and allowed to grow up, as a kid, into an adult. If they want to identify as something else, when they're an adult, that's fine. They want to mangle their private parts, as an adult, that's fine. The key here is adulthood. It's hard enough growing up in the world without yet another social/cultural movement suggesting all your ills and mental anguish is due to your gender. JFC. This ties in to the drag show nonsense. Drag shows are fine for adults who enjoy them. As these events are explicitly sexual, wtf would anyone take a child to one? I get it, the right has wrapped themselves in a robe of indignation over this, and a bunch of other issues that exist but are over shared (CRT in schools, banning of stoves, on and on the it goes) and therefore perceived as a bigger issue than they really are. I've not seen a drag show advertised around here and not a peep about CRT in schools, and this is deep red MAGA country. I get it, the voices are louder than the problem. That said, why is it so hard to admit that exposing kids to these additional issues, will only make matters worse for them? Would YOU take your young kids to a drag show? If little Thor Jr. told you he was a girl in a man's body, in grade 5, would you immediately go doctor shopping? Be honest. Most all people don’t give a crap who you like and what you do in ur bedroom But for some reason democrats running shithole cities want to export failed policies to all elseAnd they want to spend public dollars normalizing every behavior under the sun to grade school kids. Stop forcing your beliefs on everyone to make you feel better.
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 23, 2024 1:12:19 GMT
I wonder how "transitioning" is handled in nations like England and France, which both probably have gender identity solutions.
England and France are much different. In France we've never been able to tell who the men are. England will agree.
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 23, 2024 1:13:36 GMT
Most all people don’t give a crap who you like and what you do in ur bedroom But for some reason democrats running shithole cities want to export failed policies to all elseAnd they want to spend public dollars normalizing every behavior under the sun to grade school kids. Stop forcing your beliefs on everyone to make you feel better. You said it.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 23, 2024 11:54:22 GMT
The conservative outrage and push-back of all the gender bending, and sexualization of children is justified, IMO. Dunno why, but the left has allowed and even protected this deviancy. I can't be the only liberal leaning monkey who sees it. Trans people have harmed you how, exactly? By that argument pedophiles should be allowed to do whatever they want to whomever they want as long as it’s not you.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 23, 2024 11:56:33 GMT
I wonder how "transitioning" is handled in nations like England and France, which both probably have gender identity solutions.
European countries are pulling back on that and starting to illegalize transitioning of children.
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Post by MojoJojo on Apr 23, 2024 12:09:24 GMT
I wonder how "transitioning" is handled in nations like England and France, which both probably have gender identity solutions.
European countries are pulling back on that and starting to illegalize transitioning of children. ***Applauds*** The pendulum has begun to swing back.
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Post by thor on Apr 23, 2024 12:57:06 GMT
Trans people have harmed you how, exactly? By that argument pedophiles should be allowed to do whatever they want to whomever they want as long as it’s not you. All Trans people are pedophiles? I see.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 23, 2024 13:03:36 GMT
www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/One would have thought, given all the heat and attention this subject generates, that these numbers would be in the 10's of thousands. But no, it is > 100. This strikes me as some sort of psyop. How did this topic become such a big issue? Are teachers, nurses, and counselors so ineffective that they can only convince 56 kids to transition? Are we getting the best and brightest in these positions? If a concerted influence campaign is under way, it's terribly ineffective.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 23, 2024 13:40:52 GMT
By that argument pedophiles should be allowed to do whatever they want to whomever they want as long as it’s not you. All Trans people are pedophiles? I see. Uh no... by that argument...If someone should be restricted in what they do only if they harm you then you have no foundation on which to restrict pedophiles. That's what I was saying. There is no reasonable way anyone would read what I wrote to mean "all Trans people are pedophiles." But you knew that right? Can you offer something meaningful to the conversation instead of provoking meaningless non-conversations?
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 23, 2024 13:41:36 GMT
www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/One would have thought, given all the heat and attention this subject generates, that these numbers would be in the 10's of thousands. But no, it is > 100. This strikes me as some sort of psyop. How did this topic become such a big issue? Are teachers, nurses, a counselors so ineffective that they can only convince 56 kids to transition? Are we getting the best and brightest in these positions? If a concerted influence campaign is under way, it's terribly ineffective. It's not just genital surgeries. The effects of puberty blockers appears to be long-lasting, if not permanent. Got stats on that?
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 23, 2024 13:49:13 GMT
www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/One would have thought, given all the heat and attention this subject generates, that these numbers would be in the 10's of thousands. But no, it is > 100. This strikes me as some sort of psyop. How did this topic become such a big issue? Are teachers, nurses, a counselors so ineffective that they can only convince 56 kids to transition? Are we getting the best and brightest in these positions? If a concerted influence campaign is under way, it's terribly ineffective. It's not just genital surgeries. The effects of puberty blockers appears to be long-lasting, if not permanent. Got stats on that? The number is 1390 in 2021.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 23, 2024 17:03:09 GMT
It's not just genital surgeries. The effects of puberty blockers appears to be long-lasting, if not permanent. Got stats on that? The number is 1390 in 2021. You sure? Almost 23,000 between 2016 and 2019 according to this site: jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2808707But 1390...not as much as many would think. That's okay, then?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Apr 23, 2024 17:06:03 GMT
www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/One would have thought, given all the heat and attention this subject generates, that these numbers would be in the 10's of thousands. But no, it is > 100. This strikes me as some sort of psyop. How did this topic become such a big issue? Are teachers, nurses, and counselors so ineffective that they can only convince 56 kids to transition? Are we getting the best and brightest in these positions? If a concerted influence campaign is under way, it's terribly ineffective. Should people wait until the numbers are in the tens of thousands before trying to stop the sterilization, castration, or genital mutilation of children? Perhaps now is the time to put a stop to it. Maybe before tens of thousands are victims of the practice. It gets a lot of attention because it’s that atrocious. And with plenty of people defending the practice, this adds urgency. It’s not unlike Epstein’s misadventures garnering a lot of attention. It wasn’t that many victims, right? Why is it a big story? Well, because it’s so fucked up. But this is actually more contentious because large segments of the population publicly approve of the practice. So it actually, somehow, has two sides.
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