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Post by freonbale on Apr 21, 2024 3:39:43 GMT
Wow, this one's hard, but a good question, Mercy. I think the easiest approach is about weighing positives and negatives. Positives. Freedom to do as we want. Are there any others? Negatives. Crime associated with obtaining drugs. Abuse of drugs, resulting in harm or death to others (from drunk driving to spousal abuse). Long-term health problems that increase overall healthcare costs. Drug addiction creating homeless and/or non-contributing citizens. Drugs that are impure, causing harm or death. So anyone is welcome to add to my lists, but it seems the negatives FAR outweigh the positives, and yet Freedom is HUGELY important. Is it more important than the negatives? My personal view is no, and therefore, recreational drugs SHOULD be regulated. The next question, is to what degree should they be regulated, and in what ways. And that's even more complicated. My feeling is that in the US, there is an adequate balance between the regulation and Freedom, especially now that marijuana is legal in most modern states. Another question might be, should more drugs be considered recreational. I would say, in general, no, but it's really a case-by-case question. Freon I can't believe anyone can read something like this and then claim to disbelieve you when you proclaim yourself a recovering Republican. Easier to see anyone who disagrees with them as the polar opposite. It's group-think of the lowest denominator of American. Freon
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Post by petep on Apr 21, 2024 3:46:43 GMT
Pot should be legal.
Fentanyl no. Heroine no
Coke no
I can argue make it all legal. Or not illegal
But then the left would whine it’s someone else’s fault when they abuse a right.
Look at they do with guns. It’s the guns fault. Sure.
You could place a tableful or powerful drugs on a table in front of me and guess what. I would not take them and od.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Apr 21, 2024 8:36:37 GMT
They are still over-regulated. But like every progressive victory where I have common cause, they keep going and push too far. Walking through city streets, I smell weed everywhere. I hate that. I think it’s bad for kids to have that exposure in public places. I don’t think abusing any drug (even caffeine) is good for anybody. I just think incarcerating and punishing people legally for using drugs at home or with friends is significantly worse for society than the effects of drugs consumed in a home / on private property. The drug war is worse than people using drugs. Still, the glorification and celebration of drug use is not good for society either. What does it say to you about our humanity that despite all that, so many humans will still choose to chemically alter their mood? Or better yet, the human condition? Would every species choose to chemically alter their mood? Or are they likely doing it already? Oh that’s good stuff. That’s stuff we can’t talk about here. Too difficult, and likely to disrupt the binary. I’ll have to do the research to find links and studies, but remember when they would push the experiments about how mice would keep choosing cocaine over food and regular water when cocaine-laced water was provided as an option? All the way till they dropped dead from overdose? As a way to scare people off of drugs? Turns out, some scientists and researchers were skeptical and developed an hypothesis that the mice were only going down that lane of drug dependency and overdose because they were trapped in a fucking cage by themselves with nothing to do, no purpose, no friends. When cocaine-laced water was provided as an option in a large terrarium with plenty to do, with other mice, with areas to run around and be mice, none of the mice overdosed or even used much cocaine. In my own experience, the year or two where I had the very worst habits (alcohol dependence, drug experimentation) were the loneliest and most depressive years. Once my purpose was re-established I never had any trouble with those things. And in those arenas where today I am hyper conservative are those where I recognize the fact that the traditional and historic arenas of family, faith, and struggle/work are where one finds purpose. And how I know that deviancy, single-motherhood, fiscal dependency are poisons to society.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Apr 21, 2024 8:39:07 GMT
Wow, this one's hard, but a good question, Mercy. I think the easiest approach is about weighing positives and negatives. Positives. Freedom to do as we want. Are there any others? Negatives. Crime associated with obtaining drugs. Abuse of drugs, resulting in harm or death to others (from drunk driving to spousal abuse). Long-term health problems that increase overall healthcare costs. Drug addiction creating homeless and/or non-contributing citizens. Drugs that are impure, causing harm or death. So anyone is welcome to add to my lists, but it seems the negatives FAR outweigh the positives, and yet Freedom is HUGELY important. Is it more important than the negatives? My personal view is no, and therefore, recreational drugs SHOULD be regulated. The next question, is to what degree should they be regulated, and in what ways. And that's even more complicated. My feeling is that in the US, there is an adequate balance between the regulation and Freedom, especially now that marijuana is legal in most modern states. Another question might be, should more drugs be considered recreational. I would say, in general, no, but it's really a case-by-case question. Freon I can't believe anyone can read something like this and then claim to disbelieve you when you proclaim yourself a recovering Republican. Here’s one issue where freon has historically right-of-center beliefs and therefore it’s very difficult to believe that anybody would doubt his self-identification as a “right-leaning moderate” as he supports social and pharmaceutical transitioning of children, effectively sterilizing and chemically castrating children.
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Post by limey² on Apr 21, 2024 10:34:03 GMT
"Stale beer"?
I don't understand.
Is that a joke, like "left over wine"?
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Post by greebnurt on Apr 21, 2024 16:47:51 GMT
Pot should be legal. Fentanyl no. Heroine no Coke no I can argue make it all legal. Or not illegal But then the left would whine it’s someone else’s fault when they abuse a right. Look at they do with guns. It’s the guns fault. Sure. You could place a tableful or powerful drugs on a table in front of me and guess what. I would not take them and od. Always a victim.
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Post by greebnurt on Apr 21, 2024 16:57:17 GMT
You had stake beer less than a year ago. Now, stop and think for a sec - if I'm like stale beer, and YOU HAD stale beer less than a year ago . . . ummmmmm . . . Skeet, skeet, skeet! You nasty, Odisseus! Thanks for finishing me off.
Prove it!
"They were in a box under other boxes. Just about five beers were left, out of a total of about 24. I assumed the box was empty, but turns out it wasn't. And the beers are more like 12 years old. That would help explain why the remaining beer is so flat. I had to go double check the date on the bottles and the case. The four remaining bottles are now in the fridge. Perhaps if you ever come to Cali to visit, you can sample one."
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Post by slefty on Apr 21, 2024 17:01:07 GMT
"They were in a box under other boxes. Just about five beers were left, out of a total of about 24. I assumed the box was empty, but turns out it wasn't. And the beers are more like 12 years old. That would help explain why the remaining beer is so flat. I had to go double check the date on the bottles and the case. The four remaining bottles are now in the fridge. Perhaps if you ever come to Cali to visit, you can sample one." He'll deny he said it. That's what brain damage plus Alzheimer's =Useless.
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 21, 2024 19:07:53 GMT
Greebnurt = Sometimes Lefty
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Post by greebnurt on Apr 21, 2024 20:29:11 GMT
Greebnurt = Sometimes Lefty How fucking stupid do you feel now?
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 21, 2024 21:25:22 GMT
Greebnurt = Sometimes Lefty How fucking stupid do you feel now?
So, why did you change your handle from Sometimes Lefty to Greebly?
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Post by greebnurt on Apr 21, 2024 21:56:57 GMT
How fucking stupid do you feel now?
So, why did you change your handle from Sometimes Lefty to Greebly?
Try harder. Cry harder. Fail more.
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 21, 2024 22:38:14 GMT
So, why did you change your handle from Sometimes Lefty to Greebly?
Try harder. Cry harder. Fail more.
The little bitch Greeblurt/SomeLefty should just answer the question...
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Post by greebnurt on Apr 22, 2024 1:11:45 GMT
Try harder. Cry harder. Fail more.
The little bitch Greeblurt/SomeLefty should just answer the question...
If you think we're the same person, it just further cements how fucking retarded you are. Learn how to recognize writing styles, you dipshit.
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 22, 2024 4:12:27 GMT
The little bitch Greeblurt/SomeLefty should just answer the question...
If you think we're the same person, it just further cements how fucking retarded you are. Learn how to recognize writing styles, you dipshit.
So are you saying you are not "SometimesLefty"?
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Post by slefty on Apr 22, 2024 4:24:34 GMT
If you think we're the same person, it just further cements how fucking retarded you are. Learn how to recognize writing styles, you dipshit.
So are you saying you are not "SometimesLefty"?
He is saying it and I am saying it. Your a dipshit with brain leakage. And no memory. Odysseuse get a life.
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Post by Odysseus on Apr 22, 2024 4:38:13 GMT
So are you saying you are not "SometimesLefty"?
He is saying it and I am saying it. Your a dipshit with brain leakage. And no memory. Odysseuse get a life.
Sometimes Lefty claims he is not Sometimes Lefty.
That's OK. Neither one of you is worth much if at all.
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Post by runswithscissors on Apr 22, 2024 13:38:51 GMT
When I was about eleven years old I used to run around the neighborhood with another guy down the street. His dad was a radio announcer and had been stricken with polio as a child so he wears braces on both legs, had a hand lever to push the brake in his car. Anyway, he would send his son and me up to the Town and Country Market on our bikes to buy him a six pack of Ballantine Ale. The store owner knew the father and knew us. He sold us the beer every time. This was probably 1964 or so. When we were in our teens, we bought Miller Ponies down at Harper's Market on North St. Paul Harper was in my homeroom.I grew up in upper northeast TN. Virginia is only a mile from the current city limits of my hometown. Back in the late sixties we'd go to VA and get beer because back then the legal age in VA was 18 while it was 21 in TN. But the beer was 3.2%, about half the alcohol content of TN beer. In Bristol, which is in the same county as me, one side of the main street in town is in Bristol TN and the other side of State street is in Bristol VA.
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Post by petep on Apr 22, 2024 23:39:54 GMT
It’d be great to take a true libertarian approach.
But look at California. They claimed they’d have a 100b surplus. Absolute mismanagement has led to a 70b deficit. Imagine a 170b swing inside one year on a 300b top line.
And the idiot in charge is considered a possible replacement.
And what are they asking for. A federal bailout. And they’ll get it. M
With drugs. You want to play roulette and do heroine with open border cartel /China fentanyl. Have at it.
But don’t ask taxpayers for a dime.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 23, 2024 1:08:04 GMT
With drugs. You want to play roulette and do heroine with open border cartel /China fentanyl. Have at it. But don’t ask taxpayers for a dime. Well, that's part of the thing...the high addictiveness of some drugs, especially when pushed on minor and other vulnerable people...
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