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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 10, 2024 22:39:51 GMT
Gender is determined by biology. Homosexuality IS a choice and evolution IS real but it (ONLY) happens within rather than between species (as micro-evolution). That position on evolution is the exact thing I was referring to in my post. That's wild!
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Post by sokpupet on Apr 10, 2024 22:43:29 GMT
Actually, the right is far more scientifically honest than the left by a country mile. On abortion, homosexuality and transgenderism, macro evolution, global warming and COVID, we consistently get the science right while the left ignores it in favor of their "settled" narrative. Id give the left credit for science, and right credit for history. The right uses to much God in science. The left use to much propaganda with missing parts in history. History has been written by the “winners”. History has been rewritten as the “winners” changed. The time I pulled away from Christianity was when the right/GOP, my party, started with the horrendous lie that the Democrats were godless, etc. You know, like Trump saying if Jewish people voted Democrat they didn’t love Israel and needed a talking to. That is about the dirtiest thing between political parties ever.
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Post by archie on Apr 10, 2024 22:50:42 GMT
I don’t know or have heard of anyone thinking it was an inside job. Interesting. Well, it is a thing in the world. Just like the people that think the 2020 election was an inside job. Yes, the 2020 election turned out very strange. The majority of the country was working and enjoying life. Most people were working full time jobs and even overtime. The whole country was doing well. And no countries were getting away with ripping off our tax money or tariffs or daring to threaten us. We were energy independent and our illegal border crossing was being controlled much better than now. And if Trump was president now, that wall would be finished. And any new migrants coming now would have to pass our immigration laws like my ancestors did, and become good citizens. It is very unpleasant to think the majority of the voters had a reason to vote democrat. I have to believe that the socialist party somehow rigged the ballots. Also some of the modern voting machines that counted the ballots, would someone have rigged them? No, I do not believe that Biden that spent a little time out speaking to the people like Trump did attracted that many voters. Even today, look at the Trump rallies. Compare them to Joe Biden’s. It was the same then as now. Only Biden is not hiding in his cellar.
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Post by archie on Apr 10, 2024 22:53:31 GMT
Bye for now, Jeopardy coming on TV, then wheel of fortune. Fox and Newsmax after.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 10, 2024 23:12:50 GMT
Interesting. Well, it is a thing in the world. Just like the people that think the 2020 election was an inside job. Yes, the 2020 election turned out very strange. The majority of the country was working and enjoying life. Most people were working full time jobs and even overtime. The whole country was doing well. And no countries were getting away with ripping off our tax money or tariffs or daring to threaten us. We were energy independent and our illegal border crossing was being controlled much better than now. And if Trump was president now, that wall would be finished. And any new migrants coming now would have to pass our immigration laws like my ancestors did, and become good citizens. It is very unpleasant to think the majority of the voters had a reason to vote democrat. I have to believe that the socialist party somehow rigged the ballots. Also some of the modern voting machines that counted the ballots, would someone have rigged them? No, I do not believe that Biden that spent a little time out speaking to the people like Trump did attracted that many voters. Even today, look at the Trump rallies. Compare them to Joe Biden’s. It was the same then as now. Only Biden is not hiding in his cellar. I wouldn't go so far as to say that no other countries were ripping us off with tariffs because China did exactly that. You recall the tariffs the Trump admin imposed on China and China responded, as you do, with tariffs of their own. Agriculture took the brunt of it and the 28 billion dollar farm bailout was widely reported on. But I will cede that the Trump economy was pretty good. That's common whenever it is government policy is to spend money into the economy while also cutting taxes, making up the difference with more debt and bank credit inflation. Take a look at the US debt, & let me know how you feel this voodoo economic policy has been working out for us! I'm not sure you can say that Trump would be better on immigration than Biden. We saw a grand bargain on the table which would have moved us a lot closer to your vision on immigration and Trump killed it. You can bet that's going to be exploited in the coming campaign. On the notion that you're surprised people felt compelled to vote Democratic, I can only say that's a failure of imagination. For we know there are many people who feel that way about Trump. I don't buy the argument that you can say Biden couldn't have won more votes than Trump because of how big Trump's rallies are. Here's the problem with that line of thinking: the Democrats aren't as excited by Biden as they are scared of Trump and the GOP. With MAGA, flip that and turn it around. MAGA is more excited by Trump himself than they are opposed to the Democrats getting elected. And that difference in enthusiasm translates into differences in how the campaigns reach out to voters. Biden can't fill a rally every other month and without Trump he probably wouldn't be a contender in US politics. Not anymore. But with Trump in the race, Biden is all you have. So you vote. And people did. Many did. And you're probably going to see that happen again specifically because of Roe.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 10, 2024 23:18:30 GMT
Gender is determined by biology. I thought it was sex that was determined biology and gender the conventional thing. I don't know. Maybe I have that backwards. Same thing for both.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 10, 2024 23:31:33 GMT
Just goes to show that the extreme right does not own science denial. You'll see left-wing anti-vaxxers, and lefties who believe in HAARP and directed energy weapons. There are also those that believe 9/11 was an inside job (jet fuel can't melt steel!) I did some research to see if maybe you knew something I didn’t know about. But the buildings went down like I believed they did. Fire. In 2005, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) published the results of its investigation into the collapse. It found nothing substandard in the towers' design, noting that the severity of the attacks was beyond anything experienced by buildings in the past. The NIST determined the fires to be the main cause of the collapses, finding that sagging floors pulled inward on the perimeter columns, causing them to bow and then buckle. Once the upper section of the building began to move downward, a total progressive collapse was unavoidable. I know a bit about fire and metal. I learned my trade at Waterbury Farrel Foundry and machine Co. I have bent some red hot metal myself. I have seen liquid metal pouring into molds. I believe the red hot metal bending under the weight of those buildings destroyed them. No evidence of explosives were found. Good man. I'd say this sort of thing will often be the rule, not the exception. The paranoid conspiracy vision is *usually* wrong.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 10, 2024 23:36:56 GMT
I thought it was sex that was determined biology and gender the conventional thing. I don't know. Maybe I have that backwards. Same thing for both. So gender and sex are the same? Isn't "maleness" something that is expressed differently between cultures and in different times? Even in the same person this can find a range of expression. My eye color, on the other hand, doesn't seem to bend to the cultural times. I think there is something going on with gender that's more than just biological determinism.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 10, 2024 23:53:49 GMT
So gender and sex are the same? Isn't "maleness" something that is expressed differently between cultures and in different times? Even in the same person this can find a range of expression. My eye color, on the other hand, doesn't seem to bend to the cultural times. I think there is something going on with gender that's more than just biological determinism. You are conflating how someone may typically act with what they are.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 10, 2024 23:56:50 GMT
So gender and sex are the same? Isn't "maleness" something that is expressed differently between cultures and in different times? Even in the same person this can find a range of expression. My eye color, on the other hand, doesn't seem to bend to the cultural times. I think there is something going on with gender that's more than just biological determinism. You are conflating how someone may typically act with what they are. No, that would be what I would be doing if I reduced gender to biological sex.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 10, 2024 23:59:27 GMT
You are conflating how someone may typically act with what they are. No, that would be what I would be doing if I reduced gender to biological sex. That’s what you just did.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 10, 2024 23:59:54 GMT
No, that would be what I would be doing if I reduced gender to biological sex. That’s what you just did. Damn. Well okay. Egg on my face! Well, I guess we agree after all, then.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 11, 2024 0:09:21 GMT
That’s what you just did. Damn. Well okay. Egg on my face! Well, I guess we agree after all, then. I am not sure we can even have a discussion here at all depending on your ability to answer this question: Can you define what a woman is?
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 11, 2024 0:11:48 GMT
Damn. Well okay. Egg on my face! Well, I guess we agree after all, then. I am not sure we can even have a discussion here at all depending on your ability to answer this question: Can you define what a woman is? It is a biological thing involving ovaries and a penchant for sleazy romance novels. But how it is expressed culturally through gender and gender norms, is another thing.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 11, 2024 1:04:13 GMT
I am not sure we can even have a discussion here at all depending on your ability to answer this question: Can you define what a woman is? It is a biological thing involving ovaries and a penchant for sleazy romance novels. But how it is expressed culturally through gender and gender norms, is another thing. Well, a half hearted effort, but at least you did more than most. An expression is just that... a behavior. So... lets go a bit farther then. What is the definition of female?
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 11, 2024 1:08:35 GMT
It is a biological thing involving ovaries and a penchant for sleazy romance novels. But how it is expressed culturally through gender and gender norms, is another thing. Well, a half hearted effort, but at least you did more than most. An expression is just that... a behavior. So... lets go a bit farther then. What is the definition of female? I think more mileage would be gotten by defining gender and considering its variety and malleability.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 11, 2024 1:17:59 GMT
Well, a half hearted effort, but at least you did more than most. An expression is just that... a behavior. So... lets go a bit farther then. What is the definition of female? I think more mileage would be gotten by defining gender and considering its variety and malleability. I figured you might balk at that after giving me that half hearted response to what a woman is.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 12, 2024 14:59:43 GMT
Actually, the right is far more scientifically honest than the left by a country mile. On abortion, homosexuality and transgenderism, macro evolution, global warming and COVID, we consistently get the science right while the left ignores it in favor of their "settled" narrative. Id give the left credit for science, and right credit for history. The right uses to much God in science. The left use to much propaganda with missing parts in history. Some on the right do mention religion and science together, but if religion is strictly omitted, science favors the conservative position on all of the subjects I listed above.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 12, 2024 17:01:33 GMT
Homosexuality IS a choice and evolution IS real but it (ONLY) happens within rather than between species (as micro-evolution). That position on evolution is the exact thing I was referring to in my post. That's wild! Just when you thought it was safe to be a mindless conformist, I burst your bubble.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 12, 2024 17:32:00 GMT
That position on evolution is the exact thing I was referring to in my post. That's wild! Just when you thought it was safe to be a mindless conformist, I burst your bubble. Anti-conformity can also be conformity. It's just a different tribe. Look at the punk uniform. So edgy and individualistic. Yet all those individuals look the same. And the same is true of pseudo-science. One kind of nuttery leads to the next and before one knows it, they've become a character of sorts.
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