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Post by jasmine on Jan 12, 2024 7:24:33 GMT
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Post by Biggles on Jan 12, 2024 9:13:35 GMT
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Post by Biggles on Jan 12, 2024 9:19:39 GMT
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Post by thor on Jan 12, 2024 12:01:00 GMT
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Post by MojoJojo on Jan 12, 2024 12:33:30 GMT
Approve.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jan 12, 2024 14:00:22 GMT
Damn why are the Houthis doing unprovoked attacks what a bunch of dicks. What did we ever do to them besides help Saudi Arabia perform military operations and bombing campaigns against them which was none of our business and the blockades against them were causing 10s of 1000s of people to die from cholera?
Geez. Take that, Houthis. DON'T MESS WITH AMERICA, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S ENTIRELY UNPROVOKED.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jan 12, 2024 14:04:20 GMT
WE BETTER NOT KILL ANY MORE OF THE HOUTHIS THAN THE HOUTHIS KILLED AMERICANS, RIGHT? OTHERWISE WE'RE PERFORMING A GENOCIDE!!
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jan 12, 2024 14:09:02 GMT
THE HOUTHIS HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM THERE IS NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATION
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jan 12, 2024 14:09:55 GMT
There's no need to chip in here. Everybody knows that you'll support whatever they do.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jan 12, 2024 14:19:00 GMT
Obama, Trump, and Biden should be in prison.
Obama joined in the attacks on Yemen to "placate the Saudis". Lmao.
Trump didn't stop it. Just kept on helping. But I'm sure he'll totally rein in the intelligence community and military industrial complex if he wins this time!!
Biden faked like the US was going to withdrawal support, but then his puppet-string-pullers reversed course and we're right back in the "fight".
Why are the Houthis conducting such terrible attacks now? Jerks. They hate our freedom, that's why.
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Post by queshank on Jan 12, 2024 16:06:39 GMT
It's god damned anti American to disapprove. Every bullet and bomb we spend on spreading sacred democracy represents a good paying middle class American job.
Love it or leave it! Queshank
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Post by thor on Jan 12, 2024 16:49:59 GMT
There's no need to chip in here. Everybody knows that you'll support whatever they do. So worthless. Fobbit: "There's no need to chip in here. Everybody knows that you'll support whatever they do." Also Fobbit (coming soon): "OMG why are prices for commodities so high!!!! I blame Biden!!!!1111"
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Post by MojoJojo on Jan 12, 2024 17:07:55 GMT
It's god damned anti American to disapprove. Every bullet and bomb we spend on spreading sacred democracy represents a good paying middle class American job.
Love it or leave it! Queshank
What's the solution outside of policing the world's trading routes?
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Post by queshank on Jan 12, 2024 17:18:04 GMT
It's god damned anti American to disapprove. Every bullet and bomb we spend on spreading sacred democracy represents a good paying middle class American job.
Love it or leave it! Queshank
What's the solution outside of policing the world's trading routes? You're mistaking me having an opinion on the matter. I don't. I really don't. "Disapproving" requires one divorce themselves from reality. "Approving" means one approves of the reality our elites have created and are fostering.
I'm still just the guy in the back of the chariot whispering in leftists' ears "Remember, thou art mortal." All I'm here for is to get leftists to admit that they are okay with and in fact think it's a grand idea for the United States to be the world's policeman.
I'm just a historian chronicling the present Mojo. And in my eyes, the most noteworthy development of my lifetime is the global collapse of liberalism ... led by the United States establishment in the name of "democracy," and the transformation of the American left into establishment conservatives and supporters of America being the world's policeman ....
Queshank
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Post by queshank on Jan 12, 2024 17:22:47 GMT
Eep. Almost forgot. This is what it's like to live at the end of a golden age.
Queshank
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Post by DaveJavu on Jan 12, 2024 17:26:19 GMT
Damn why are the Houthis doing unprovoked attacks what a bunch of dicks. What did we ever do to them besides help Saudi Arabia perform military operations and bombing campaigns against them which was none of our business and the blockades against them were causing 10s of 1000s of people to die from cholera? Geez. Take that, Houthis. DON'T MESS WITH AMERICA, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S ENTIRELY UNPROVOKED. Is that sarcasm or sarcasm of sarcasm or....?
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Post by MojoJojo on Jan 12, 2024 17:27:03 GMT
What's the solution outside of policing the world's trading routes? You're mistaking me having an opinion on the matter. I don't. I really don't. "Disapproving" requires one divorce themselves from reality. "Approving" means one approves of the reality our elites have created and are fostering. I'm still just the guy in the back of the chariot whispering in leftists' ears "Remember, thou art mortal." All I'm here for is to get leftists to admit that they are okay with and in fact think it's a grand idea for the United States to be the world's policeman. I'm just a historian chronicling the present Mojo. And in my eyes, the most noteworthy development of my lifetime is the global collapse of liberalism ... led by the United States establishment in the name of "democracy," and the transformation of the American left into establishment conservatives and supporters of America being the world's policeman ....
Queshank
Fair enough. As inter-connected and reliant as we are on global trade for all the things we consume, we're left with very few options. The ideal solution would be for each and every nation-state to patrol and protect its trade routes to stop piracy or other interference. This ideal fails right out of the gate due to failed nation states, such as Yemen or Somalia. The real world solution is for the most powerful nation state that benefits from unhindered trade to assume the role, such as the US and the UK before that. This clashes directly with our Constitutional obligation to have a declared war before we deploy military measures, but here we are. :/
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Post by queshank on Jan 12, 2024 17:29:12 GMT
You're mistaking me having an opinion on the matter. I don't. I really don't. "Disapproving" requires one divorce themselves from reality. "Approving" means one approves of the reality our elites have created and are fostering. I'm still just the guy in the back of the chariot whispering in leftists' ears "Remember, thou art mortal." All I'm here for is to get leftists to admit that they are okay with and in fact think it's a grand idea for the United States to be the world's policeman. I'm just a historian chronicling the present Mojo. And in my eyes, the most noteworthy development of my lifetime is the global collapse of liberalism ... led by the United States establishment in the name of "democracy," and the transformation of the American left into establishment conservatives and supporters of America being the world's policeman ....
Queshank
Fair enough. As inter-connected and reliant as we are on global trade for all the things we consume, we're left with very few options. The ideal solution would be for each and every nation-state to patrol and protect its trade routes to stop piracy or other interference. This ideal fails right out of the gate due to failed nation states, such as Yemen or Somalia. The real world solution is for the most powerful nation state that benefits from unhindered trade to assume the role, such as the US and the UK before that. This clashes directly with our Constitutional obligation to have a declared war before we deploy military measures, but here we are. :/
Mojo underneath all of my arguments is one reality that I think all of the arguments of the past 20 years have been masking. Our system of government is wholly inadequate to the role the American establishment wants us to play in the world.
Either our role in the world has to change, or our system of government has to change. Julius or Augustus.
Queshank
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Post by MojoJojo on Jan 12, 2024 17:33:15 GMT
Fair enough. As inter-connected and reliant as we are on global trade for all the things we consume, we're left with very few options. The ideal solution would be for each and every nation-state to patrol and protect its trade routes to stop piracy or other interference. This ideal fails right out of the gate due to failed nation states, such as Yemen or Somalia. The real world solution is for the most powerful nation state that benefits from unhindered trade to assume the role, such as the US and the UK before that. This clashes directly with our Constitutional obligation to have a declared war before we deploy military measures, but here we are. :/ Mojo underneath all of my arguments is one reality that I think all of the arguments of the past 20 years have been masking. Our system of government is wholly inadequate to the role the American establishment wants us to play in the world.
Either our role in the world has to change, or our system of government has to change. Julius or Augustus.
Queshank
Well said. Our system of government is codified so I'm leaning more towards modifying our protection racket.
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Post by queshank on Jan 12, 2024 17:42:00 GMT
Mojo underneath all of my arguments is one reality that I think all of the arguments of the past 20 years have been masking. Our system of government is wholly inadequate to the role the American establishment wants us to play in the world.
Either our role in the world has to change, or our system of government has to change. Julius or Augustus.
Queshank
Well said. Our system of government is codified so I'm leaning more towards modifying our protection racket.
You nicely highlight the puzzle of my comments on disapproving or approving. I have been saying since I started making these comments, that I think the establishment is going to win. After all, “It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”
I commented once early on that if Trump actually accomplished any of the things he set out to do in the face of the tremendous entrenched opposition to him accomplishing any of the things he set out to do .. from big businesses profiting off our immigration system to defense contractors profiting off our role in the world ... he deserved to have his likeness carved onto Mt Rushmore. Not because I thought he was amazing. The 4 already there have flaws of their own we overlook and their reasons for being on the carving aren't exactly all noble. (Jefferson for expansion and growth? Roosevelt for heralding industrialism? Lincoln not for freeing the slaves but for preserving the nation?)
It's worth remembering that my putting things in proper context in opposition to the wildly disproportionate bubble created by media outlets funded by rabid capitalists that Fiddler endorses ... was what got me branded a Trump supporter in the early years. Not support for Trump. My "support" for Trump came much later and was a byproduct of applying the dead arts of context and nuance.
I really don't care if the establishment wins. Pax Americana sounds alright to me. I just want to make sure "liberals" understand what that means.
Queshank
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