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Post by Fiddler on Sept 27, 2023 15:39:43 GMT
You're assuming that there is "far more evidence" in the other indictments, when the information released so far is laughably thin. But the perverted leftist venues will play a large part in whether Trump actually gets a fair trial, which is unlikely in those shitholes controlled by liberals.
If you really believe that the evidence against Trump is strong, let's all advocate for a change of venue out of places like New York and D.C. that are filled with left leaning filth that might taint the jury.
And, are you familiar with the fact that there is a significant difference between civil and criminal trials as far as evidence?
And so I ask again, what will you say when he is found guilty of a ton of crime? Will you say that's he's a victim? That the evidence is wrong? That the jury is unfair?
Early in his takeover of the Republican Party, as he was codifying the tenets of his Cult, Trump answered that question ..
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters."
That's all one needs to know about whether or not they will continue to support a criminal.
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Post by freonbale on Sept 27, 2023 15:42:22 GMT
And so I ask again, what will you say when he is found guilty of a ton of crime? Will you say that's he's a victim? That the evidence is wrong? That the jury is unfair?
Early in his takeover of the Republican Party, as he was codifying the tenets of his Cult, Trump answered that question ..
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters."
That's all one needs to know about whether or not they will continue to support a criminal.
You know that and I know that, but I want to hear it from them directly. Freon |
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Post by demos on Sept 27, 2023 16:05:33 GMT
As to Taylor Swift, what you are saying is that the voting block her Swifties are part of, they are no threat to Donald, yes? Freon Demographically, most Taylor Swift fans are among the lowest turnout groups by age. And most of them are already Democrats, so it's not like Trump is losing some group he had a realistic chance of winning over:
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Post by CadesCove on Sept 27, 2023 16:32:28 GMT
As to Taylor Swift, what you are saying is that the voting block her Swifties are part of, they are no threat to Donald, yes? Freon Demographically, most Taylor Swift fans are among the lowest turnout groups by age. And most of them are already Democrats, so it's not like Trump is losing some group he had a realistic chance of winning over:
It's over a year until the election and she's had an effect. Think she won't as we get closer to the general? www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/22/taylor-swift-voter-registration/ |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 27, 2023 16:41:14 GMT
As to Taylor Swift, what you are saying is that the voting block her Swifties are part of, they are no threat to Donald, yes? Freon Demographically, most Taylor Swift fans are among the lowest turnout groups by age. And most of them are already Democrats, so it's not like Trump is losing some group he had a realistic chance of winning over:
So what you are saying is that if they could be inspired to vote, then there could be an impact. Yes? Freon |
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Post by demos on Sept 27, 2023 17:06:36 GMT
Registration does not equal voter turnout or electoral success. Ask Beto about that (and he registered a lot more than 35,000 people).
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Post by demos on Sept 27, 2023 17:09:40 GMT
So what you are saying is that if they could be inspired to vote, then there could be an impact. Yes? Freon Good luck with that. It's not as if it hasn't been tried with a variety of stars.
If Taylor Swift was able to do that, she'd be the first.
GOTV is hard work.
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Post by RWB on Sept 27, 2023 17:12:38 GMT
Just as I expected. The left loves Taylor Swift and the Barbie Movie while the far right listens to Bach and watches The Godfather. I have a brother in law who is far right. He listens to Tupac. I cant stand Tupac. I'm 71 and I listen to too Short |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 27, 2023 17:13:45 GMT
So what you are saying is that if they could be inspired to vote, then there could be an impact. Yes? Freon Good luck with that. It's not as if it hasn't been tried with a variety of stars.
If Taylor Swift was able to do that, she'd be the first.
GOTV is hard work.
Disagree. Kpop has been doing it for years. Freon |
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Post by demos on Sept 27, 2023 17:20:00 GMT
Disagree. Kpop has been doing it for years. Freon Kpop has been doing what?
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Post by freonbale on Sept 27, 2023 17:20:39 GMT
Disagree. Kpop has been doing it for years. Freon Kpop has been doing what?
Mobilizing its fanbase for political action. I thought that was the topic. Freon |
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Post by demos on Sept 27, 2023 17:35:19 GMT
Mobilizing its fanbase for political action. I thought that was the topic. Freon
How exactly are they mobilizing their fan base? Is it anything like MTV's Rock the Vote? (They may have stopped doing it at this point because I don't really hear or see much about it anymore).
GOTV is hard work. As I said to Cades, ask Beto O'Rourke about that. He's been registering people since his failed US Senate campaign in 2018. But turning those newly registered voters into actual voters is not easy; if it was, he'd be Texas' governor right now. Or ask Battleground Texas - their primary focus is registering voters and GOTV, and they've been doing it for years now with arguably minimal return.
So, no, I don't think Taylor Swift is going to tell people to go vote and you're gonna see some wave of people go vote. Now, if there is some coordinated effort (texts, emails, phone calls, driving people to the polls, etc.), then maybe.
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Post by freonbale on Sept 27, 2023 17:40:21 GMT
Mobilizing its fanbase for political action. I thought that was the topic. Freon
How exactly are they mobilizing their fan base? Is it anything like MTV's Rock the Vote? (They may have stopped doing it at this point because I don't really hear or see much about it anymore).
GOTV is hard work. As I said to Cades, ask Beto O'Rourke about that. He's been registering people since his failed US Senate campaign in 2018. But turning those newly registered voters into actual voters is not easy; if it was, he'd be Texas' governor right now. Or ask Battleground Texas - their primary focus is registering voters and GOTV, and they've been doing it for years now with arguably minimal return.
So, no, I don't think Taylor Swift is going to tell people to go vote and you're gonna see some wave of people go vote. Now, if there is some coordinated effort (texts, emails, phone calls, driving people to the polls, etc.), then maybe.
Lol. Really? As just an example, Kpop mobilized its fanbase HERE, in the US, to spam one of Donald's events, tricking it into thinking a ton of people would show. I think you need to do some research. Kpop is an international phenomena, and it has been politically active for over a decade. Most don't even know it exists, and your reaction is a good example of that. Freon |
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Post by demos on Sept 27, 2023 17:53:29 GMT
Lol. Really? As just an example, Kpop mobilized its fanbase HERE, in the US, to spam one of Donald's events, tricking it into thinking a ton of people would show. I think you need to do some research. Kpop is an international phenomena, and it has been politically active for over a decade. Most don't even know it exists, and your reaction is a good example of that. Freon
What they did was easy. They went online and registered a bunch of tickets. Registering to vote is easy. That's my point. Unless you're in a state with universal mail ballots, voting is not easy: you have to find out when to go vote (and your state may not have a long early voting period or any early voting period), you have to figure out when to go (you might have to go during lunch, alter your weekend plans, etc.), and you have to deal with ballot fatigue (especially if your state does not allow straight ticket voting).
The discrepancy between US voter registration and turnout is a good example/proof of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2023 18:00:20 GMT
As to Taylor Swift, what you are saying is that the voting block her Swifties are part of, they are no threat to Donald, yes? Freon Demographically, most Taylor Swift fans are among the lowest turnout groups by age. And most of them are already Democrats, so it's not like Trump is losing some group he had a realistic chance of winning over:
The fact that almost 50% of Taylor Swift's fans are from households with under 50k in annual income sure helps explain a lot of those "credit card debt at record highs" and "Americans struggling to get by" stories I'm always seeing in the news.
But thank God Taylor Swift boosted the economy by getting all of those 25 yr old young women to max their credit cards and pay for gas and lodging and such! Everyone's so much better off now!
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Post by thor on Sept 27, 2023 18:38:38 GMT
Demographically, most Taylor Swift fans are among the lowest turnout groups by age. And most of them are already Democrats, so it's not like Trump is losing some group he had a realistic chance of winning over:
The fact that almost 50% of Taylor Swift's fans are from households with under 50k in annual income sure helps explain a lot of those "credit card debt at record highs" and "Americans struggling to get by" stories I'm always seeing in the news.
But thank God Taylor Swift boosted the economy by getting all of those 25 yr old young women to max their credit cards and pay for gas and lodging and such! Everyone's so much better off now!
Swift is more popular and has more money than Que-Anon. Que-Anon is upset about that. 'When fascism comes to America, it will be wearing a pussy hat and wrapped in a rainbow flag.' - Que-Anon, explaining his divorce |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 27, 2023 18:39:47 GMT
Lol. Really? As just an example, Kpop mobilized its fanbase HERE, in the US, to spam one of Donald's events, tricking it into thinking a ton of people would show. I think you need to do some research. Kpop is an international phenomena, and it has been politically active for over a decade. Most don't even know it exists, and your reaction is a good example of that. Freon
What they did was easy. They went online and registered a bunch of tickets. Registering to vote is easy. That's my point. Unless you're in a state with universal mail ballots, voting is not easy: you have to find out when to go vote (and your state may not have a long early voting period or any early voting period), you have to figure out when to go (you might have to go during lunch, alter your weekend plans, etc.), and you have to deal with ballot fatigue (especially if your state does not allow straight ticket voting).
The discrepancy between US voter registration and turnout is a good example/proof of that.
I see a trend that is only going to increase. Social media and popular culture based activism, directed by their pop leaders. This new generation has VERY different triggers than the ones before it. And the greatest evidence for this, is Donald himself. Activating Swift was a dumb move. Ticketmaster tried to screw her, and boy did she get them back. Changed the entire industry. Freon |
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Post by greebnurt on Sept 27, 2023 18:47:41 GMT
You're generalizing based on shitty rappers. True lyricists can get deep, complex. A couple years back, I saw Common perform with the San Diego Symphony at an outdoor venue on the water. Beautiful stuff. It's like if I said I don't like country cause they're all a bunch of shit kicking cowboys. But, even though I'm not a fan, I understand that there are a ton of talented musicians, writers, and singer in this genre. This is why I don't make sweeping generalizations about genres I'm not in to. There are also a bunch of crazy talented producers making the beats. There are reasons so many of them are hired to score major motion pictures or are asked to do side projects with artists from completely different genres. Sure, there are a ton of shitty producers and beat makers too, but it would be ignorant to point at them and say that they are examples of good hip hop. You're basically having a "get off my lawn" mentality.
Fair point. .. People used to tell me that there were "good" Disco tunes .. I simply didn't have the patience to weed through the crap ..
Ive got a ton of them on vinyl. Disco regional sounds. The disco tracks coming out of Chicago sound completely different from something like Italian disco. And contrary to popular belief, it never died. There are constantly new tracks being produced weekly. Sure, there's a lot of crap, but the good ones . . . |
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Post by greebnurt on Sept 27, 2023 18:49:07 GMT
I have a brother in law who is far right. He listens to Tupac. I cant stand Tupac. I'm 71 and I listen to too Short Age has nothing to do with my opinion. My brother in law is only ten years younger thsn you. |
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Post by thor on Sept 27, 2023 18:54:08 GMT
Fair point. .. People used to tell me that there were "good" Disco tunes .. I simply didn't have the patience to weed through the crap ..
Ive got a ton of them on vinyl. Disco regional sounds. The disco tracks coming out of Chicago sound completely different from something like Italian disco. And contrary to popular belief, it never died. There are constantly new tracks being produced weekly. Sure, there's a lot of crap, but the good ones . . .A sample, plz. |
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