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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 13, 2023 21:37:32 GMT
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Post by william on Sept 14, 2023 4:00:04 GMT
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 14, 2023 6:37:15 GMT
Subscription required. No Subscriptions needed at the Dudeism site. Weird, I didn’t need one. |
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Post by jasmine on Sept 14, 2023 9:22:08 GMT
Subscription required. No Subscriptions needed at the Dudeism site. It worked for me. A box pops up that asks you to subscribe, but you can just click on the “X” to close it. Then the full article appears. It says you get three free articles, then I guess you have to pay to see future stories. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 14, 2023 9:59:50 GMT
"The rich must be doing something right and the poor are poor because of some failing of theirs" is how you right wing assholes reason, cretin. What did hit you over the head to make you forget that? To boot We have that piece shit jasmine who never says anything else. What kind of hypocritical bastard are you? |
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Post by william on Sept 14, 2023 20:16:40 GMT
As with almost all, maybe all, articles like this on religion, especially the 2 abrahamic ones I am most familiar with, there is so much pick and choose with a hearty slice of We're special because We did it first. Long before there were Christians, back when abortion was okay for most, including the Jews, other religions opposed abortion. Zoroastrianism advanced many of the so-called abrahamic tenets first. |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 14, 2023 20:45:28 GMT
"The rich must be doing something right and the poor are poor because of some failing of theirs" is how you right wing assholes reason, cretin. What did hit you over the head to make you forget that? To boot We have that piece shit jasmine who never says anything else. What kind of hypocritical bastard are you? Man... what happened to you to make you such an insufferable ass like this? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 14, 2023 21:41:16 GMT
As with almost all, maybe all, articles like this on religion, especially the 2 abrahamic ones I am most familiar with, there is so much pick and choose with a hearty slice of We're special because We did it first. Long before there were Christians, back when abortion was okay for most, including the Jews, other religions opposed abortion. Zoroastrianism advanced many of the so-called abrahamic tenets first. Are you endorsing Zoroastrianism's opposition to abortion? What other religions opposed it? And are you sure the article is really saying "we're special because we did it first"? Who is the "we"? Because I believe that the author explicitly states that she is not "a believer." |
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Post by HolyMoly on Sept 14, 2023 22:29:04 GMT
I had no problem linking to the full article and didn't have to press anything. Now, what's so bad about having
an interest in entrails and praying to Jupiter? They're not my cup of tea, but they seem rather innocuous.
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Post by william on Sept 14, 2023 23:46:11 GMT
As with almost all, maybe all, articles like this on religion, especially the 2 abrahamic ones I am most familiar with, there is so much pick and choose with a hearty slice of We're special because We did it first. Long before there were Christians, back when abortion was okay for most, including the Jews, other religions opposed abortion. Zoroastrianism advanced many of the so-called abrahamic tenets first. Are you endorsing Zoroastrianism's opposition to abortion? What other religions opposed it? And are you sure the article is really saying "we're special because we did it first"? Who is the "we"? Because I believe that the author explicitly states that she is not "a believer." It's been so long, but aren't many of the ot stories just a rewriting of stories from earlier attempts to explain the unknowable? And I'll read the article again before I answer your part 2. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 15, 2023 11:10:54 GMT
"The rich must be doing something right and the poor are poor because of some failing of theirs" is how you right wing assholes reason, cretin. What did hit you over the head to make you forget that? To boot We have that piece shit jasmine who never says anything else. What kind of hypocritical bastard are you? Man... what happened to you to make you such an insufferable ass like this? Do you think it's funny inhabiting that rat hole of a head of yours, asshole, even if it's rent free, bastard? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 15, 2023 15:37:33 GMT
Are you endorsing Zoroastrianism's opposition to abortion? What other religions opposed it? And are you sure the article is really saying "we're special because we did it first"? Who is the "we"? Because I believe that the author explicitly states that she is not "a believer." It's been so long, but aren't many of the ot stories just a rewriting of stories from earlier attempts to explain the unknowable? And I'll read the article again before I answer your part 2. Not really at all. Always look at dissimilarities, not just similarities. Rather than a "rewriting of stories," most of the ANE cultures shared common background myths and symbols. It's less about "retelling the same story" than it is telling a different story using the same common background myths and symbols. One key example: the ANE god defeats the chaos dragon in battle. Same symbol in the Hebrew text, but in the Hebrew text, the serpent is subdued without effort. In ANE religions, kings were required to embody the deity. In the Hebrew text, YHWH actually establishes a covenant with his people that, to some extent, obligates himself to them. Those are significant differences. Of course there are than that; those are just two examples. |
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Post by Running Deer on Sept 16, 2023 18:25:47 GMT
This article is all over the place. It badly needs an editor and a focused topic with supporting arguments. Two points I want to make about it:
1. She's presenting a long-winded version of the "can't be good without god" argument. If people stop believing in God and going to church, they'll become monsters. It's a tired, boring, oft-refuted argument. Atlantic Slave Trade, genocide of the Indians, horrific European wars, scramble for Africa...come on already.
2. The author's view of pagan theology is catastrophically ignorant. Pagans were obsessed with the afterlife: Hades for the Greeks, Valhalla for the Vikings, Rebirth/Reincarnation for Asian religions. Jews barely care about the afterlife at all; Christianity took its afterlife obsession from the Greeks and Romans!
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 17, 2023 11:15:53 GMT
This article is all over the place. It badly needs an editor and a focused topic with supporting arguments. Two points I want to make about it: 1. She's presenting a long-winded version of the "can't be good without god" argument. If people stop believing in God and going to church, they'll become monsters. It's a tired, boring, oft-refuted argument. Atlantic Slave Trade, genocide of the Indians, horrific European wars, scramble for Africa...come on already. 2. The author's view of pagan theology is catastrophically ignorant. Pagans were obsessed with the afterlife: Hades for the Greeks, Valhalla for the Vikings, Rebirth/Reincarnation for Asian religions. Jews barely care about the afterlife at all; Christianity took its afterlife obsession from the Greeks and Romans! I’m not sure that’s the case the article is trying to make. Again, the author is not a “believer.” The author is saying that our value for human life comes from the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, and as we are veering away from that, we are reverting to a king of paganism that does not value human life in the way that we had taken for granted. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 20, 2023 11:28:51 GMT
This article is all over the place. It badly needs an editor and a focused topic with supporting arguments. Two points I want to make about it: 1. She's presenting a long-winded version of the "can't be good without god" argument. If people stop believing in God and going to church, they'll become monsters. It's a tired, boring, oft-refuted argument. Atlantic Slave Trade, genocide of the Indians, horrific European wars, scramble for Africa...come on already. 2. The author's view of pagan theology is catastrophically ignorant. Pagans were obsessed with the afterlife: Hades for the Greeks, Valhalla for the Vikings, Rebirth/Reincarnation for Asian religions. Jews barely care about the afterlife at all; Christianity took its afterlife obsession from the Greeks and Romans! I’m not sure that’s the case the article is trying to make. Again, the author is not a “believer.” The author is saying that our value for human life comes from the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, and as we are veering away from that, we are reverting to a king of paganism that does not value human life in the way that we had taken for granted. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle were all Christians, weren't they, genius? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 20, 2023 15:08:32 GMT
I’m not sure that’s the case the article is trying to make. Again, the author is not a “believer.” The author is saying that our value for human life comes from the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, and as we are veering away from that, we are reverting to a king of paganism that does not value human life in the way that we had taken for granted. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle were all Christians, weren't they, genius? Are you suggesting that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle had a high view for individual human life akin to that of Christian values? Because this is not about "who is smart." There was nothing in the article or in the post to which you responded that implied that "people that aren't Christians aren't as smart as Christians." |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 20, 2023 16:42:31 GMT
Socrates, Plato and Aristotle were all Christians, weren't they, genius? Are you suggesting that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle had a high view for individual human life akin to that of Christian values? Because this is not about "who is smart." There was nothing in the article or in the post to which you responded that implied that "people that aren't Christians aren't as smart as Christians." This is not about being smart alone, stupid. It has to do with civilization. Christians invented collective massacres of infidels or heretics. They invented intensive systematic proselytism. How typical of an asshole like you to think these are great contributions to society. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 20, 2023 17:55:38 GMT
Are you suggesting that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle had a high view for individual human life akin to that of Christian values? Because this is not about "who is smart." There was nothing in the article or in the post to which you responded that implied that "people that aren't Christians aren't as smart as Christians." This is not about being smart alone, stupid. It has to do with civilization. Christians invented collective massacres of infidels or heretics. They invented intensive systematic proselytism. Um...no, "collective massacres of infidels or heretics" existed long before Christianity did. In addition to some counselling, I would recommend you take a history course or two. If those kinds of things are available to you in your condition. Proselytism? Yes, absolutely! Because Christians were not xenophobic and believed that all people were worthwhile, loved by God, and would-be recipients of inclusion into God's family. That's the whole point. |
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Post by Running Deer on Sept 24, 2023 2:40:38 GMT
This article is all over the place. It badly needs an editor and a focused topic with supporting arguments. Two points I want to make about it: 1. She's presenting a long-winded version of the "can't be good without god" argument. If people stop believing in God and going to church, they'll become monsters. It's a tired, boring, oft-refuted argument. Atlantic Slave Trade, genocide of the Indians, horrific European wars, scramble for Africa...come on already. 2. The author's view of pagan theology is catastrophically ignorant. Pagans were obsessed with the afterlife: Hades for the Greeks, Valhalla for the Vikings, Rebirth/Reincarnation for Asian religions. Jews barely care about the afterlife at all; Christianity took its afterlife obsession from the Greeks and Romans! I’m not sure that’s the case the article is trying to make. Again, the author is not a “believer.” The author is saying that our value for human life comes from the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, and as we are veering away from that, we are reverting to a king of paganism that does not value human life in the way that we had taken for granted. To be honest, the case she's trying to make is obscured by bad, unfocused writing.
But, to the extent that she actually makes that argument, it's not terribly convincing. Christian history is crammed with atrocities. Other cultures that never became Christian or Jewish often have similar norms. Rapidly de-Christianizing Europe is not bursting with disrespect for human rights.
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 27, 2023 13:39:13 GMT
I’m not sure that’s the case the article is trying to make. Again, the author is not a “believer.” The author is saying that our value for human life comes from the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, and as we are veering away from that, we are reverting to a king of paganism that does not value human life in the way that we had taken for granted. To be honest, the case she's trying to make is obscured by bad, unfocused writing.
But, to the extent that she actually makes that argument, it's not terribly convincing. Christian history is crammed with atrocities. Other cultures that never became Christian or Jewish often have similar norms. Rapidly de-Christianizing Europe is not bursting with disrespect for human rights.
I'm not sure it would be reasonable to expect an immediate collapse of human rights as the western world de-Christianizes. Even Richard Dawkins suggests (illogically) that although we should reject the accidental byproduct of evolution that is religion, we should maintain the accidental byproduct of religion which are religious values (like human rights). The author of the article shines the light on infants and the unborn...and to some extent, there has absolutely been a degradation of value of that life. With more to come, possibly: "We might think that we are just more 'civilised' [sic] than these 'primitive peoples. But it is not easy to feel confident that we are more civilised than the best Greek and Roman moralists. It was not just the Spartans who exposed their infants on hillsides; both Plato and Aristotle recommended the killing of deformed infants. Romans like Seneca, whose compassionate moral sense strikes the modern reader (or me, anyway) as superior to that of the early and mediaeval Christian writers, also thought infanticide the natural and humane solution to the problem posed by sick and deformed babies. The change in Western attitudes to infanticide since Roman times is, like the doctrine of the sanctity of human life of which it is a part, a product of Christianity. Perhaps it is now possible to think about these issues without assuming the Christian moral framework that has, for so long, prevented any fundamental reassessment." (Peter Singer, Practical Ethics (1993), 173, italics added) Peter Singer, of course, has already gone down that path of "fundamental reassessment." |
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