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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 28, 2023 8:38:42 GMT
This is not about being smart alone, stupid. It has to do with civilization. Christians invented collective massacres of infidels or heretics. They invented intensive systematic proselytism. Um...no, "collective massacres of infidels or heretics" existed long before Christianity did. In addition to some counselling, I would recommend you take a history course or two. If those kinds of things are available to you in your condition. Proselytism? Yes, absolutely! Because Christians were not xenophobic and believed that all people were worthwhile, loved by God, and would-be recipients of inclusion into God's family. That's the whole point. How ironic that you would say that after you've insulted my whole country. Don't you have any self-awareness at all? Also this from someone who talks about counselling. It seems that your specialty, aside form being some kind of parasitic form of life that lives off of other people's fear of death, is irony. |
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 28, 2023 17:04:28 GMT
Um...no, "collective massacres of infidels or heretics" existed long before Christianity did. In addition to some counselling, I would recommend you take a history course or two. If those kinds of things are available to you in your condition. Proselytism? Yes, absolutely! Because Christians were not xenophobic and believed that all people were worthwhile, loved by God, and would-be recipients of inclusion into God's family. That's the whole point. How ironic that you would say that after you've insulted my whole country. Don't you have any self-awareness at all? Also this from someone who talks about counselling. It seems that your specialty, aside form being some kind of parasitic form of life that lives off of other people's fear of death, is irony. I would have thought by now, French people would be used to having their country insulted. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 28, 2023 17:30:31 GMT
Um...no, "collective massacres of infidels or heretics" existed long before Christianity did. In addition to some counselling, I would recommend you take a history course or two. If those kinds of things are available to you in your condition. Proselytism? Yes, absolutely! Because Christians were not xenophobic and believed that all people were worthwhile, loved by God, and would-be recipients of inclusion into God's family. That's the whole point. How ironic that you would say that after you've insulted my whole country. ...is irony. You complaining about being insulted is certainly ironic. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 29, 2023 9:33:52 GMT
How ironic that you would say that after you've insulted my whole country. ...is irony. You complaining about being insulted is certainly ironic. You insulted my country right before saying that Christians are not xenophobic. Am I the only one to think that there is something sick about it? For all we know you're posting this from a hospital and this is part of your therapy. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 29, 2023 11:31:22 GMT
You complaining about being insulted is certainly ironic. You insulted my country right before saying that Christians are not xenophobic. Am I the only one to think that there is something sick about it? For all we know you're posting this from a hospital and this is part of your therapy. I did, eh? Interesting. I can’t find any aspersions I made towards France or French people in general. I did read you calling me “bastard” and “asshole.” Maybe it was your own posts you were reading. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 29, 2023 11:49:14 GMT
You insulted my country right before saying that Christians are not xenophobic. Am I the only one to think that there is something sick about it? For all we know you're posting this from a hospital and this is part of your therapy. I did, eh? Interesting. I can’t find any aspersions I made towards France or French people in general. I did read you calling me “bastard” and “asshole.” Maybe it was your own posts you were reading. Wow! Some Christian! So not only did you delete my posts for no other reason that they were answering your insults, you've now deleted the insulting posts themselves. Well, people may not see them but you and I both know you made them and now you're lying about it. You deserve everything I said about you and more. Well, isn't that ironic? I have now acquired the conviction that you're a fraud but since some idiot gave you mod powers I can't prove it. Thank you for vindicating everything I said about you and about the aforementioned idiot. "Mercy for all", what a laugh!!!  |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 29, 2023 15:53:27 GMT
I did, eh? Interesting. I can’t find any aspersions I made towards France or French people in general. I did read you calling me “bastard” and “asshole.” Maybe it was your own posts you were reading. Wow! Some Christian! So not only did you delete my posts for no other reason that they were answering your insults, you've now deleted the insulting posts themselves. Well, people may not see them but you and I both know you made them and now you're lying about it. You deserve everything I said about you and more. Well, isn't that ironic? I have now acquired the conviction that you're a fraud but since some idiot gave you mod powers I can't prove it. Thank you for vindicating everything I said about you and about the aforementioned idiot. "Mercy for all", what a laugh!!! Did I delete my own posts? Do you remember what it was that hurt your feelings so much? Was it worse than “asshole” and “bastard”? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Sept 29, 2023 20:47:12 GMT
Wow! Some Christian! So not only did you delete my posts for no other reason that they were answering your insults, you've now deleted the insulting posts themselves. Well, people may not see them but you and I both know you made them and now you're lying about it. You deserve everything I said about you and more. Well, isn't that ironic? I have now acquired the conviction that you're a fraud but since some idiot gave you mod powers I can't prove it. Thank you for vindicating everything I said about you and about the aforementioned idiot. "Mercy for all", what a laugh!!! Did I delete my own posts? Do you remember what it was that hurt your feelings so much? Was it worse than “asshole” and “bastard”? Yeah, cheat, you did delete your own posts. You know it, I know it. Besides, it's obvious that you are reluctant to lie directly about it and that's why you resort to indirections. Anything with half a brain can see it in your passive-aggressive answers, as if there still was an ounce of decency in you preventing you from outrightly lying about it. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 30, 2023 13:13:41 GMT
Did I delete my own posts? Do you remember what it was that hurt your feelings so much? Was it worse than “asshole” and “bastard”? Yeah, cheat, you did delete your own posts. You know it, I know it. Besides, it's obvious that you are reluctant to lie directly about it and that's why you resort to indirections. Anything with half a brain can see it in your passive-aggressive answers, as if there still was an ounce of decency in you preventing you from outrightly lying about it. Well, I don’t lie, despite your many, many accusations over the years. Passive-aggressive? Sure! Despicably rude? Outright obnoxious? Recalcitrantly abusive? Nah, that’s you. If you want to point out passive aggression on my part, that’s legitimate. Deleting some of your posts? Absolutely. But the other stuff? No. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 2, 2023 9:27:36 GMT
Yeah, cheat, you did delete your own posts. You know it, I know it. Besides, it's obvious that you are reluctant to lie directly about it and that's why you resort to indirections. Anything with half a brain can see it in your passive-aggressive answers, as if there still was an ounce of decency in you preventing you from outrightly lying about it. Well, I don’t lie, despite your many, many accusations over the years. Passive-aggressive? Sure! Despicably rude? Outright obnoxious? Recalcitrantly abusive? Nah, that’s you. If you want to point out passive aggression on my part, that’s legitimate. Deleting some of your posts? Absolutely. But the other stuff? No. You insulted my country, erased it and pretended it never happened. You're a liar! |
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Post by Mercy for All on Oct 2, 2023 12:30:36 GMT
Well, I don’t lie, despite your many, many accusations over the years. Passive-aggressive? Sure! Despicably rude? Outright obnoxious? Recalcitrantly abusive? Nah, that’s you. If you want to point out passive aggression on my part, that’s legitimate. Deleting some of your posts? Absolutely. But the other stuff? No. You insulted my country, erased it and pretended it never happened. You're a liar! Not quite. I deleted posts of mine that quoted your garbage so that your garbage would be erased. Why are you so nationalistic? Is that your primary identity? How egregious was this insult of mine? How would it compare to your typical, "die, vermin" that you consistently level at others? And all the profanity? What I'm not doing is "pretending it never happened." Do you remember what the insult was? I'm sure you do, since it obviously hit you pretty hard... |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2023 15:29:10 GMT
Well, I don’t lie, despite your many, many accusations over the years. Passive-aggressive? Sure! Despicably rude? Outright obnoxious? Recalcitrantly abusive? Nah, that’s you. If you want to point out passive aggression on my part, that’s legitimate. Deleting some of your posts? Absolutely. But the other stuff? No. You insulted my country, erased it and pretended it never happened. You're a liar! France is insulted as a matter of routine over here in America. I mean, its just casual conversation to mock France. Not sure about Canada. Don't worry, you are likely to see it plenty more. So, you can calm down now. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 2, 2023 15:52:48 GMT
You insulted my country, erased it and pretended it never happened. You're a liar! Not quite. I deleted posts of mine that quoted your garbage so that your garbage would be erased. Why are you so nationalistic? Is that your primary identity? How egregious was this insult of mine? How would it compare to your typical, "die, vermin" that you consistently level at others? And all the profanity? What I'm not doing is "pretending it never happened." Do you remember what the insult was? I'm sure you do, since it obviously hit you pretty hard... Yeah, you're a clever liar, I'll give you that. You know that a lie is best when it's as close to the truth as you can make it. So you admit deleting your own posts. What you're lying about is your motives for the deletion. It's obvious from our exchange that all your words and actions are self-serving, so you wouldn't delete YOUR posts if they made me look bad and by the way, why in hell ( see my restraint) would you quote my posts to begin with if you thought they should be deleted? That doesn't make sense, unless you said things embarrassing in them, things that went over the line, things that are against your defined persona like insulting someone's country. Once again, I have to admire how you keep obscuring things here. You keep pretending that it's about my feelings when you know very well that it's about you being a charlatan and a mountebank. You sold people your snake oil of a persona for years and now you're afraid that they could ask for a metaphorical refund. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 2, 2023 15:58:12 GMT
You insulted my country, erased it and pretended it never happened. You're a liar! France is insulted as a matter of routine over here in America. I mean, its just casual conversation to mock France. Not sure about Canada. Don't worry, you are likely to see it plenty more. So, you can calm down now. To how many morons like you do I have to remind that it's not the point until they finally get it? |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2023 16:02:45 GMT
France is insulted as a matter of routine over here in America. I mean, its just casual conversation to mock France. Not sure about Canada. Don't worry, you are likely to see it plenty more. So, you can calm down now. To how many morons like you do I have to remind that it's not the point until they finally get it? And you wonder why we insult your country... |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 2, 2023 16:03:54 GMT
To how many morons like you do I have to remind that it's not the point until they finally get it? And you wonder why we insult your country... Because you're too stupid to get the point? |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2023 16:10:37 GMT
And you wonder why we insult your country... Because you're too stupid to get the point? You had a point? All I see is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 2, 2023 16:15:31 GMT
Because you're too stupid to get the point? You had a point? All I see is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Take a pill and go to sleep. I keep forgetting that you are probably an old guy like most of the people here... |
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Post by Running Deer on Oct 2, 2023 19:37:13 GMT
To be honest, the case she's trying to make is obscured by bad, unfocused writing. But, to the extent that she actually makes that argument, it's not terribly convincing. Christian history is crammed with atrocities. Other cultures that never became Christian or Jewish often have similar norms. Rapidly de-Christianizing Europe is not bursting with disrespect for human rights.
I'm not sure it would be reasonable to expect an immediate collapse of human rights as the western world de-Christianizes. Even Richard Dawkins suggests (illogically) that although we should reject the accidental byproduct of evolution that is religion, we should maintain the accidental byproduct of religion which are religious values (like human rights). I wouldn't consider it illogical. I don't see why we can't value the idea of human rights even if we reject the supernatural. "Because it leads to the kind of society I want to live in" is a perfectly understandable reason. Perhaps you mean something like "prior to logic" or "outside of logic". Valuing other people is not something that we usually think about in a logical way. We love without reasons, and many of our moral commitments function the same way. I don't agree, at least in the U.S. Our abortion rate has plunged over the last few decades, and there are probably fewer American abortions today than in the 1950s, when it was illegal. We also devote immense amounts of care and research to infants with birth defects and to children born prematurely. Singer is famous but not much followed here. Perhaps things are different in Canada. |
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Post by queshank on Jan 16, 2024 15:14:05 GMT
This thread reminds me of two arguments I used to make regularly.
The first being that we have not evolved since the days of the Romans. We are still the same homo sapiens. And in many ways have regressed as opposed to evolving.
The second being that the value of human life decreases exponentially with distance. As it always has and always will.
The distances are just getting smaller as the world get smaller. Which gives a corresponding and misleading impression that human life is more "valued" than it was 2,000 years ago.
But it's not. And never will be.
Queshank
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