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Post by limey² on Jun 30, 2020 18:35:26 GMT
Check it out: BBC News - Hong Kong security law: What is it and is it worrying? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52765838Already boycotting Chinese goods myself. These creepa were already beneath contempt, they must have taken a shovel with them. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2020 18:55:11 GMT
Check it out: BBC News - Hong Kong security law: What is it and is it worrying? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52765838Already boycotting Chinese goods myself. These creepa were already beneath contempt, they must have taken a shovel with them. I feel for the people in Hong Kong. They're in a really rough spot.  |
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Post by RWB on Jun 30, 2020 18:57:50 GMT
Check it out: BBC News - Hong Kong security law: What is it and is it worrying? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52765838Already boycotting Chinese goods myself. These creepa were already beneath contempt, they must have taken a shovel with them. this is what America's future will look like also if Senile Joe Biden wins the rigged election he is a puppet of China |
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Post by limey² on Jun 30, 2020 19:26:30 GMT
Check it out: BBC News - Hong Kong security law: What is it and is it worrying? www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52765838Already boycotting Chinese goods myself. These creepa were already beneath contempt, they must have taken a shovel with them. this is what America's future will look like also if Senile Joe Biden wins the rigged election he is a puppet of China What should the American government response be to this? What should Americans do as individuals? |
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Post by demos on Jun 30, 2020 19:44:16 GMT
What should the American government response be to this? The reflexive action will be sanctions. What should we do depends on your perspective I suppose. Honestly, not much we can do to change Chinese internal politics/policies. We can accept refugees (we won't), we can work with our regional allies/partners to bolster their security, and/or we can lead international efforts to criticize/punish China through the UN, etc. (we won't). As for what US citizens will do, you can bet you won't see any NBA jerseys saying Free Hong Kong. |
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Post by RWB on Jun 30, 2020 20:03:33 GMT
this is what America's future will look like also if Senile Joe Biden wins the rigged election he is a puppet of China What should the American government response be to this? What should Americans do as individuals? vote out all Democrats |
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Post by RWB on Jun 30, 2020 20:07:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 20:11:25 GMT
What should the American government response be to this? The reflexive action will be sanctions. What should we do depends on your perspective I suppose. Honestly, not much we can do to change Chinese internal politics/policies. We can accept refugees (we won't), we can work with our regional allies/partners to bolster their security, and/or we can lead international efforts to criticize/punish China through the UN, etc. (we won't). As for what US citizens will do, you can bet you won't see any NBA jerseys saying Free Hong Kong. The United States should be offering refugee status to every single citizen of Hong Kong. Or at least the UK should. They're the ones who cut the deal with China that China just said "fuck you" to. Queshank |
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Post by limey² on Jun 30, 2020 20:11:34 GMT
What should the American government response be to this? What should Americans do as individuals? vote out all Democrats How would that advance the ideology of Western liberal capitalist democracy? |
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Post by limey² on Jun 30, 2020 20:12:39 GMT
The reflexive action will be sanctions. What should we do depends on your perspective I suppose. Honestly, not much we can do to change Chinese internal politics/policies. We can accept refugees (we won't), we can work with our regional allies/partners to bolster their security, and/or we can lead international efforts to criticize/punish China through the UN, etc. (we won't). As for what US citizens will do, you can bet you won't see any NBA jerseys saying Free Hong Kong. The United States should be offering refugee status to every single citizen of Hong Kong. Or at least the UK should. They're the ones who cut the deal with China that China just said "fuck you" to. Queshank We kinda are. And the deal was an international treaty. Chinese despots just said "fuck you" to the international community at large. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 20:18:13 GMT
The United States should be offering refugee status to every single citizen of Hong Kong. Or at least the UK should. They're the ones who cut the deal with China that China just said "fuck you" to. Queshank We kinda are. And the deal was an international treaty. Chinese despots just said "fuck you" to the international community at large. I agree completely. I wasn't trying to guilt anybody in the UK. The entire West should be rallying around the citizens of Hong Kong. But they won't. Because the people in government are *part* of the donor class they've been working for the past 30 years. They've been working with them for so long they've forgotten who they're really supposed to be working for. I already had been boycotting China where I could. Harshly worded letters and cancellations of accounts with businesses that sided with China over Hong Kong like Blizzardactivision and such. I'm going to be more closely watching all of my online orders now to make sure I'm purchasing from companies that care about human liberties. Queshank |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 20:25:12 GMT
How would that advance the ideology of Western liberal capitalist democracy? That's a hell of a good question. How indeed? I would argue said ideology hasn't been being advanced for a very long time. There's nobody honestly pursuing it. And that's been part of the problem. Queshank |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 20:27:30 GMT
I've honestly been wondering how the people of Hong Kong have felt over the outpouring of support in Western countries for George Floyd. "What are we over here? Chopped liver?" Queshank |
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Post by limey² on Jun 30, 2020 20:47:10 GMT
How would that advance the ideology of Western liberal capitalist democracy? That's a hell of a good question. How indeed? I would argue said ideology hasn't been being advanced for a very long time. There's nobody honestly pursuing it. And that's been part of the problem. Queshank It's not that nobody's trying to advance or pursue it. More that it's just taken for granted by most, and seen with indifference by certain elements of the powerful. China is an excellent light on this. We do immense amounts of business with them without putting any conditions on that. Now they're genui ely beginning to pose a direct, existential challenge to the very concept of democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 20:52:44 GMT
That's a hell of a good question. How indeed? I would argue said ideology hasn't been being advanced for a very long time. There's nobody honestly pursuing it. And that's been part of the problem. Queshank It's not that nobody's trying to advance or pursue it. More that it's just taken for granted by most, and seen with indifference by certain elements of the powerful. China is an excellent light on this. We do immense amounts of business with them without putting any conditions on that. Now they're genui ely beginning to pose a direct, existential challenge to the very concept of democracy. I dunno if "taken for granted" is accurate. I want to agree with this but I don't think "taken for granted" is the proper framing. "Constant exceptions made in pursuit of profits" seems more accurate to the way Western governments have addressed the Chinese problem. It's not unlike the way our Founding Fathers viewed the issue of slavery as they were waxing poetic about the dignity and rights of man. An inconvenience best not discussed. Queshank |
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Post by RWB on Jun 30, 2020 21:42:44 GMT
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Post by limey² on Jun 30, 2020 21:48:40 GMT
I suspect there's some truth in saying "donors to political parties include businesses that have extensive Chinese interests". Not going down the partisan route. There's a bigger fish to fry than your dull Republican/Democrat slapfests. China is a threat, medium to long term, to the concept of a democratic State. |
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Post by jasmine on Jun 30, 2020 23:07:04 GMT
I don’t think there is anything we should do. It’s not our business.
As for China, we should simply be treating those chinks like the enemy they are and always will be. Just like Russia. Anything we can do to hurt them, we should.
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 30, 2020 23:08:53 GMT
Don't expect Trump to raise even a whimper about this.
He likes dictators, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 23:54:29 GMT
This is the kind of bipartisanship we should all be embracing.
Five senators introduced a bill Tuesday that would grant priority for refugee status to Hongkongers fleeing government persecution or arrest.
The Hong Kong Safe Harbor Act was sponsored by Sens. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.), Todd Young (R–Ind.), Robert Menendez (D–N.J.), Benjamin Cardin (D–Md.), and Jeff Merkley (D–Ore.).
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