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Post by demos on Apr 26, 2024 19:19:43 GMT
Please show us where Zelensky said US aid to Afghanistan was a problem...
Read the quote. The implication is we didn't do enough to help Afghanistan.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 26, 2024 20:05:50 GMT
Funny you should mention that. This quote cracked me up.
"This aid will strengthen Ukraine and send the Kremlin a powerful signal that it will not be the second Afghanistan. The US will stay with Ukraine, they will protect Ukrainians and democracy." - Zelensky
Because aid to Afghanistan was the problem.
Please show us where Zelensky said US aid to Afghanistan was a problem...
I heard that. I was under the impression that he was speaking on the USSR’s occupation of Afghanistan
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Post by demos on Apr 26, 2024 20:14:38 GMT
I heard that. I was under the impression that he was speaking on the USSR’s occupation of Afghanistan That wouldn't really make sense, because the USSR didn't keep Afghanistan and that was because of US aid. So, in that case, it would be a 2nd Afghanistan, and Zelensky said Ukraine "will not be the second Afghanistan."
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 26, 2024 20:20:49 GMT
I heard that. I was under the impression that he was speaking on the USSR’s occupation of Afghanistan That wouldn't really make sense, because the USSR didn't keep Afghanistan and that was because of US aid. So, in that case, it would be a 2nd Afghanistan, and Zelensky said Ukraine "will not be the second Afghanistan." My interpretation is that he was speaking on the USSR’s invasion. And when he said second he meant that Afghanistan was first and we are second. He said nothing about an occupation which Russia is not occupying Ukraine now, but invading it
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Post by demos on Apr 26, 2024 20:36:17 GMT
My interpretation is that he was speaking on the USSR’s invasion. And when he said second he meant that Afghanistan was first and we are second. Again, that wouldn't make any sense when referring to US aid and saying Ukraine would not be a 2nd Afghanistan, because US aid was crucial to ending the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
Russia's been occupying Ukraine since 2014 (that's when the initial invasion took place).
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 26, 2024 21:09:04 GMT
My interpretation is that he was speaking on the USSR’s invasion. And when he said second he meant that Afghanistan was first and we are second. Again, that wouldn't make any sense when referring to US aid and saying Ukraine would not be a 2nd Afghanistan, because US aid was crucial to ending the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
Russia's been occupying Ukraine since 2014 (that's when the initial invasion took place). The issue now is not what Russia did in 2014, but the invasion in 2022. Saying we would not be a second Afghanistan is like saying Afghanistan was a second Vietnam
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Post by demos on Apr 26, 2024 21:11:58 GMT
The issue now is not what Russia did in 2014, but the invasion in 2022. The two are connected.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 26, 2024 21:20:23 GMT
The issue now is not what Russia did in 2014, but the invasion in 2022. The two are connected.
Error in post correction“Saying we would not be a second Vietnam is like saying Afghanistan was a second Vietnam” Russia did not invade until 2022.
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Post by demos on Apr 26, 2024 21:28:19 GMT
Error in post correction“Saying we would not be a second Vietnam is like saying Afghanistan was a second Vietnam” Not sure how that's a correction. Do you remember Crimea, or particularly Donbas, where a war had been going on for 8 years (involving Russian troops)?
What's happening now is a continuation of all that, especially when you recall that Russia massed troops at the Ukrainian border multiple times over those 8 years before 2022.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 26, 2024 21:31:25 GMT
Error in post correction“Saying we would not be a second Vietnam is like saying Afghanistan was a second Vietnam” Not sure how that's a correction. Do you remember Crimea, or particularly Donbas, where a war had been going on for 8 years (involving Russian troops)?
What's happening now is a continuation of all that, especially when you recall that Russia massed troops at the Ukrainian border multiple times over those 8 years before 2022.
The funding to Ukraine is not to address what happened in 2014. But I think you know that. Can’t help you if you don’t understand a metaphor
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Post by demos on Apr 26, 2024 21:36:43 GMT
The funding to Ukraine is not to address what happened in 2014. But I think you know that. Can’t help you if you don’t understand a metaphor Lol. Ok.
First, we've been providing aid to Ukraine since Russia's invasion in 2014. We've provided lethal aid since the Trump presidency. And after Russia launched its assault in 2022, that aid increased exponentially.
Second, pretty sure I'm not the one who's have an issue understanding here. You can read the full exchange here.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 26, 2024 21:46:37 GMT
The funding to Ukraine is not to address what happened in 2014. But I think you know that. Can’t help you if you don’t understand a metaphor Lol. Ok.
First, we've been providing aid to Ukraine since Russia's invasion in 2014. We've provided lethal aid since the Trump presidency. And after Russia launched its assault in 2022, that aid increased exponentially.
Second, pretty sure I'm not the one who's have an issue understanding here. You can read the full exchange here. And Zelensky was addressing the increased aid. And e have to agree to disagree
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Post by archie on Apr 27, 2024 17:08:31 GMT
Yes Craig. I would like to see Ukraine and Russia stop the BS. BECAUSE you and I are paying for all that equipment sent to help. Deficit? We are spending less money now on foreign wars than we did when we occupied Afghanistan. You did not complain then What happened when we left Afghanistan?
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 27, 2024 17:10:53 GMT
We are spending less money now on foreign wars than we did when we occupied Afghanistan. You did not complain then What happened when we left Afghanistan? Why does it matter. Would you prefer we stayed there and spend more money there than we are spending in Ukraine?
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Post by archie on Apr 28, 2024 12:43:01 GMT
Yes Craig. I would like to see Ukraine and Russia stop the BS. BECAUSE you and I are paying for all that equipment sent to help. Deficit? We are spending less money now on foreign wars than we did when we occupied Afghanistan. You did not complain then Nothing to complain about until Biden took over.
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Post by archie on Apr 28, 2024 12:52:26 GMT
If Trump was president now, he would have told all the fighters, “Knock it off, or else”. And all the BS would stop. Our country is being taken advantage of by a couple of countries, and invaded by a majority of people that hate us and any religion except theirs. Keep you powder dry dum dums. You may need it soon.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 28, 2024 14:13:18 GMT
We are spending less money now on foreign wars than we did when we occupied Afghanistan. You did not complain then Nothing to complain about until Biden took over. Oh, so you are just going to complain about Biden's spending. Not Bush or Trump...I see
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 28, 2024 14:33:55 GMT
In a sane world, I wouldn't be in the minority in saying that we should not be involved militarily in Ukraine at all.
We've provided more aid to Ukraine than the entire annual Russian military budget and are draining our own reserves of ammunition and equipment.
Evidently, avoiding foreign entanglements is a dead and buried concept. This is a proxy war pushed by globalists.
You're in the wrong, as your ideological forebears were in 1914 and 1939. America and the wider West thrives on reliable trade, stable governance, the rule of law and on the respect, qualified though it sometimes must be, for national sovereignty. Emboldening Russia by letting it succeed in its crime will not advance either the global paradigm that sustains the US, nor the wide respect for the US that is a result of 2 or three generations of tacit American leadership on these values. I know you like Putin because he's a homophobe and gives Kyril a big house; think beyond your narrow prejudices a bit. You seem deeply invested in homosexuality; are you trying to tell us something very personal, Limey? Do you stick out your little pinky finger when downing a pint?
Our intervention in 1917 DIRECTLY resulted in the crisis in 1939. Had World War I been resolved by the original participants, Germany wouldn't have been put under crushing economic conditions and Hitler would have likely been ignored and forgotten.
And it gets into the range of thor stupid to pretend that anyone that opposes throwing money and stuff at Ukraine somehow means that we like Putin. Ukraine is a corrupt, authoritarian cesspool that's using U.S. money to pay for bureaucrats and retirement pensions. Ukraine was once part of the Russian world, just like British colonies or the states of the U.S. I seem to recall some rather harsh reactions when those colonies and states tried to break away.
The U.S. has been feared, not respected for their constant presence in every alley fight that they can stick their noses into.
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Post by thor on Apr 28, 2024 20:09:08 GMT
You're in the wrong, as your ideological forebears were in 1914 and 1939. America and the wider West thrives on reliable trade, stable governance, the rule of law and on the respect, qualified though it sometimes must be, for national sovereignty. Emboldening Russia by letting it succeed in its crime will not advance either the global paradigm that sustains the US, nor the wide respect for the US that is a result of 2 or three generations of tacit American leadership on these values. I know you like Putin because he's a homophobe and gives Kyril a big house; think beyond your narrow prejudices a bit. You seem deeply invested in homosexuality; are you trying to tell us something very personal, Limey? Do you stick out your little pinky finger when downing a pint?
Our intervention in 1917 DIRECTLY resulted in the crisis in 1939. Had World War I been resolved by the original participants, Germany wouldn't have been put under crushing economic conditions and Hitler would have likely been ignored and forgotten.
And it gets into the range of thor stupid to pretend that anyone that opposes throwing money and stuff at Ukraine somehow means that we like Putin. Ukraine is a corrupt, authoritarian cesspool that's using U.S. money to pay for bureaucrats and retirement pensions. Ukraine was once part of the Russian world, just like British colonies or the states of the U.S. I seem to recall some rather harsh reactions when those colonies and states tried to break away.
The U.S. has been feared, not respected for their constant presence in every alley fight that they can stick their noses into.
Supporter of the corrupt, authoritarian cesspool formerly known as the CSA fucks up history again. Is this some shit you got from the racists at the Abbeville Institute?
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 28, 2024 20:17:49 GMT
I'm uncomfortably OK with it. Ukraine's on defense (who doesn't support the underdog?) and I am conditioned to view Russia (and Communism) as my boogieman enemy. Fuck Putin.
1) Modern Russia rejected communism about three decades ago.
2) Putin is more of a Trump/Nationalist/Neo-Nazi than a communist.
3) I also support Ukraine.
Neo Nazi? I hate Putin and hope he dies, but how is he close to Neo Nazi? He doesn't have many white friends. Even buttering up to parts of Africa. Seriously, why would he be neo nazi?
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