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Post by Fiddler on Aug 27, 2020 20:17:26 GMT
OK, Qrank's ranting leads me to put it back on ignore.
It's just a phase .. Once Trump's Reality Distortion Field dissipates he'll return to normal ..
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Post by phillip on Aug 27, 2020 20:18:50 GMT
Who cares? Success or failure doesn’t make it any less vile. While Trump just fluffs the guy at the top of the food chain every chance he gets. I'm not critiquing the "vileness" of Russia. (Should I just assume this "vile" commentary carries over as your own criticism of Obama's targeted assassination of US citizens who worked against his administration?) I'm critiquing the validity of the manufactured and somewhat preposterous narrative that sets their status as a "world power." Queshank Yeah, people totally think Russia is a world power because of its ability to distribute poison. Has nothing to do with the size of its economy, international influence, and military. |
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Post by limey² on Aug 27, 2020 23:16:27 GMT
Suggestion is, this was not Russian state but someone irritated by the victim shining light on corruption. No. The suggestion is ... Russia isn't very good at it. Wow! 10 deaths of mixed variety and suspicion in 20 years of a 3rd world country going through turmoil and trying to redefine itself after its parent nation went through a complete collapse. /sarcasm Two observations: 1- not terribly noteworthy. In fact its to be expected when a country goes through this kind of turmoil. Hell, far more than 10 people have been shot in political struggles in the past few months in our own "turmoil" as our country collapses, hastened by the self inflicted headshots of the shutdowns. You should do a list of all the survivors. There's a lot of those too. A surprising amount for a country with a badass reputation like Russia's. 2- not terribly many political assassinations for a 3rd world country like Russia. Perhaps they're 2nd world, not 3rd? All I know is ... they're not a 1st world country despite attempts by Western governments to prop them up as a perennial international foil. Queshank If this chap was attacked by a disgruntled corrupt official, it's not Russia that's inept at murder, it's the inept murderer. The cloud of suspicion over mysterious deaths and incapacitations is broader than the few in that link. I think the dodgy geezers are well moody. I'd agree that as a military and economic threat, Russia is insignificant. Couple of points: 1. The Big Struggle is 'twixt democracy and authoritarianism. Russia is on the naughty side. 2. If Russian state hands are on any murders, that's bad. If Russian state hands are helping/being helped by corrupt or criminnal elements, it needs noting. |
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Post by bama beau on Aug 27, 2020 23:25:14 GMT
I'm not critiquing the "vileness" of Russia. (Should I just assume this "vile" commentary carries over as your own criticism of Obama's targeted assassination of US citizens who worked against his administration?) I'm critiquing the validity of the manufactured and somewhat preposterous narrative that sets their status as a "world power." Queshank Yeah, people totally think Russia is a world power because of its ability to distribute poison. Has nothing to do with the size of its economy, international influence, and military. Please feel free to use Que's argument about Russia's impotence in the next G8 thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 14:11:47 GMT
A friend of mine's wife tried to have an affair with the football team but didn't consummate the affairs so everything was OK ..
Quecrank
It's amazing watching someone who "believes" things with all the conviction of a Baptist preacher spout their inanities.
Let me help you with basic reading comprehension. Something you'll need as you continue to trumpet your scientific credentials.\
The wife is a second rate whore who is so ugly even a group of people who would fuck a glazed doughnut after only a couple of beers wouldn't have sex with her.
Get it yet Ms Newman? Probably not. But hope springs ever eternal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 14:12:15 GMT
Yeah, people totally think Russia is a world power because of its ability to distribute poison. Has nothing to do with the size of its economy, international influence, and military. Please feel free to use Que's argument about Russia's impotence in the next G8 thread.
Absolutely.
But you'll have to get there before me.
And Limey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 14:17:17 GMT
No. The suggestion is ... Russia isn't very good at it. Wow! 10 deaths of mixed variety and suspicion in 20 years of a 3rd world country going through turmoil and trying to redefine itself after its parent nation went through a complete collapse. /sarcasm Two observations: 1- not terribly noteworthy. In fact its to be expected when a country goes through this kind of turmoil. Hell, far more than 10 people have been shot in political struggles in the past few months in our own "turmoil" as our country collapses, hastened by the self inflicted headshots of the shutdowns. You should do a list of all the survivors. There's a lot of those too. A surprising amount for a country with a badass reputation like Russia's. 2- not terribly many political assassinations for a 3rd world country like Russia. Perhaps they're 2nd world, not 3rd? All I know is ... they're not a 1st world country despite attempts by Western governments to prop them up as a perennial international foil. Queshank If this chap was attacked by a disgruntled corrupt official, it's not Russia that's inept at murder, it's the inept murderer. The cloud of suspicion over mysterious deaths and incapacitations is broader than the few in that link. I think the dodgy geezers are well moody. I'd agree that as a military and economic threat, Russia is insignificant. Couple of points: 1. The Big Struggle is 'twixt democracy and authoritarianism. Russia is on the naughty side. And here's the fulcrum that has forced even guys like us into opposing camps. The American Democrat Party is on the naughty side too. Yes. It is bad. Whatchu gonna do? Start a war to free Russia's citizens from their rulers? Get some good old fashioned regime change arguments going again? Why not? The liberal world order has been doing a gangbusters job with that one haven't they? They *know* what to do. Just let them handle it, eh? No I know! Start fearmongering about how this tough, bad, scary and dangerously powerful hooker that can't get a group of testosterone laden footballers to fuck her for free is converting the entire world through 3d social media chess!1!1!!one Queshank |
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Post by phillip on Aug 28, 2020 14:32:56 GMT
What is the American Democrat Party?
Do they run against the American Republic Party?
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Post by bama beau on Aug 28, 2020 14:50:28 GMT
What is the American Democrat Party? Do they run against the American Republic Party? In poker it is called a "tell". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 15:05:38 GMT
What is the American Democrat Party? Do they run against the American Republic Party?
No. They run against the American Trumplican Party.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 15:06:02 GMT
What is the American Democrat Party? Do they run against the American Republic Party? In poker it is called a "tell".
In politics it's called "branding." And only the most easily manipulated fall for it.
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Post by phillip on Aug 28, 2020 15:14:40 GMT
The Don-Qaeda Party. I preferred when Al ran it.
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Post by bama beau on Aug 28, 2020 15:17:22 GMT
In poker it is called a "tell".
In politics it's called "branding." And only the most easily manipulated fall for it.
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Post by MojoJojo on Aug 28, 2020 15:20:24 GMT
Big bad scary Russia fails with yet another assassination plot. Continuing their long streak. But be very scared of Russia. They are a world powerhouse. The world trembles when they shrug their shoulders. A world powerhouse that somehow cannot do the one thing governments have always excelled at: Killing people. Queshank Does the victim have to die for the message to be received, loudly and clearly? But yeah, he didn't die! |
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Post by limey² on Aug 28, 2020 15:45:41 GMT
If this chap was attacked by a disgruntled corrupt official, it's not Russia that's inept at murder, it's the inept murderer. The cloud of suspicion over mysterious deaths and incapacitations is broader than the few in that link. I think the dodgy geezers are well moody. I'd agree that as a military and economic threat, Russia is insignificant. Couple of points: 1. The Big Struggle is 'twixt democracy and authoritarianism. Russia is on the naughty side. And here's the fulcrum that has forced even guys like us into opposing camps. The American Democrat Party is on the naughty side too. Yes. It is bad. Whatchu gonna do? Start a war to free Russia's citizens from their rulers? Get some good old fashioned regime change arguments going again? Why not? The liberal world order has been doing a gangbusters job with that one haven't they? They *know* what to do. Just let them handle it, eh? No I know! Start fearmongering about how this tough, bad, scary and dangerously powerful hooker that can't get a group of testosterone laden footballers to fuck her for free is converting the entire world through 3d social media chess!1!1!!one Queshank Russia is not a military or economic threat. I'm not sure we're in opposing camps, unless you like country 'n western. In which case I will hunt you down. Russia, I cautiously believe, is a threat to our (y'know... "our") ways of managing some basics, like accountability in Government, freedom of speech, and economic justice. We don't need aircraft carriers and tanks to counter this* we need clear public discourse. We need firm dealings via legal and diplomatic and trade means with the criminal elements in Russia's economic and political elites. We need their dupes and stooges in "our" body politic, economy, media held accountable. Democracy is absolutely the worst form of Government, except for all the others. It's delicate, it's precious, it needs looking after. *actually, maybe we do need tanks, Russia is very good at tanks and their best are at least as good as Abrams and Challenger 2. |
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Post by bama beau on Aug 28, 2020 15:58:39 GMT
Russia alone is still a nuclear threat.
However, allied with trumP and the GOPP,
they will continue to take down America,
NATO, the EEU and any other institution
which would hamper or hold Putin accountable.
Brexit!
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Post by demos on Aug 28, 2020 17:13:41 GMT
^ NATO is doing a fine enough job stepping on its own d*ck. It doesn't need Russia's help (and its issues go well beyond Trump's rhetoric and demands for money; they're systemic problems).
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Post by bama beau on Aug 28, 2020 17:48:07 GMT
^ NATO is doing a fine enough job stepping on its own d*ck. It doesn't need Russia's help (and its issues go well beyond Trump's rhetoric and demands for money; they're systemic problems). NATO might not need trumPutin's help to weaken itself, but they sho'nuff got it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 0:44:42 GMT
In politics it's called "branding." And only the most easily manipulated fall for it.
Queshank
Is that why you used it? Are you the brander, or the branded?
Yes. That's why I used it.
The Democrats have demonstrated pretty clearly, especially since 2016, they are the least democratic political force in America. So there's something ... unseemly ... about calling them the "Democratic" party. Just in the past 5 decades, they literally created an oligarchy made up of establishment elitists to prevent popular uprisings of the people. An oligarchy that worked very hard against the will of the people in both 2016 and now in 2020.
And that's not even getting into people who claim to be Democrats not just advocating but actively curtailing speech, free thought and even free association.
Believing the Democrats are champions of democracy is as dumb as believing NAFTA was about "free trade" because that's what the F and the T stand for. Seems to be another branding scheme people on the left fell for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 0:48:11 GMT
Big bad scary Russia fails with yet another assassination plot. Continuing their long streak. But be very scared of Russia. They are a world powerhouse. The world trembles when they shrug their shoulders. A world powerhouse that somehow cannot do the one thing governments have always excelled at: Killing people. Queshank Does the victim have to die for the message to be received, loudly and clearly? But yeah, he didn't die! The message that Russia is an incompetent 3rd world country?
No. If the victim died, Russia wouldn't be an incompetent and inferior state. Duh.
I mean come on. Barack Obama never missed a single drone assassination target during his time in office. THATS how assassination is done by a serious contender for "superpower status," son.
Russia's over there randomly setting down poisonous drinks and hoping the right person drinks them. And nearly always getting "the mix" wrong so their target walks away. Laughter is the appropriate response. Not more pearl clutching and Judge Smailish antics.
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