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Post by rabbitreborn on Aug 27, 2020 12:30:08 GMT
You’re not looking at it objectively. Is it reasonable to assume he feared for his life? If yes, then murder1 is not going to get a conviction.
Let me repeat. A 17 year old kid carried a loaded weapon across state lines with the intent to use it. He used it to kill two people. If he hadn't come across the state line he wouldn't have been in fear of his life. Whatever his motivations were, he put himself into that position. Because of bad judgement on his part, two people are dead.
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He had people attacking him. There is little doubt he could reasonably fear for his life. Manslaughter of some degree would be a better charge the way you describe it, if conviction is the goal. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 27, 2020 12:34:40 GMT
Let me repeat. A 17 year old kid carried a loaded weapon across state lines with the intent to use it. He used it to kill two people. If he hadn't come across the state line he wouldn't have been in fear of his life. Whatever his motivations were, he put himself into that position. Because of bad judgement on his part, two people are dead.
Greg
He had people attacking him. There is little doubt he could reasonably fear for his life. Manslaughter of some degree would be a better charge the way you describe it, if conviction is the goal.
Let me repeat again. He carried a loaded weapon from Illinois to Wisconsin with the intent to use it. He did use it. He put HIMSELF into the position where he had to fear for his life. HE did that himself. That makes it murder.
Greg
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Post by rabbitreborn on Aug 27, 2020 12:40:15 GMT
He had people attacking him. There is little doubt he could reasonably fear for his life. Manslaughter of some degree would be a better charge the way you describe it, if conviction is the goal.
Let me repeat again. He carried a loaded weapon from Illinois to Wisconsin with the intent to use it. He did use it. He put HIMSELF into the position where he had to fear for his life. HE did that himself. That makes it murder.
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hE cRoSseD tHe 15 mILeS to ANOTHER STATE!!!! aNoTHeR sTaTE!!!!!!!!!! iT’s tHeReFoRE mUrdEr1!!!!!! |
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Post by MojoJojo on Aug 27, 2020 12:46:07 GMT
When people go looking for trouble, they usually find it, as did this dumbass.
WTF forms a "militia" other than those looking for confrontation?
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Post by RWB on Aug 27, 2020 12:57:19 GMT
Dumb kid..
Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old charged with shooting three people — two of them fatally — during a Kenosha protest Tuesday evening, thought of himself as a militia member trying to protect life and property, according to videos, interviews and social media posts.
Video shot in the hours before the shooting shows Rittenhouse hanging out with older armed men, who tell the reporter they're protecting a car lot. Rittenhouse then introduces himself as Kyle.
He also did a video interview with the Daily Caller in front of a boarded up building.
"People are getting injured and our job is to protect this business," Rittenhouse says in the clip. "And my job also is to protect people. If someone is hurt, I’m running into harm’s way. That’s why I have my rifle; I’ve gotta protect myself obviously. But I also have my med kit."
Among the armed men in the streets Tuesday was former Kenosha Ald. Kevin Mathewson, who is active in a group known as the Kenosha Guard. Mathewson posted a video selfie of the scene near the Kenosha government center Tuesday night. He did not return a phone message Wednesday.
www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/26/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-kenosha-protest-shootings-militia/5634532002/
Dumb stupid kid.
Greg
no dumb stupid scumbag rioters and looters. 100% of the blame goes on the mayor and Governor of Wisconsin for allowing the criminal activitys |
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Post by RWB on Aug 27, 2020 12:59:25 GMT
Being chased by a violent mob during a riot is a little different than a fist fight on the basketball court. What I find interesting is there has been a lot of editing out of the context just prior to the shooting. He fell down on the ground and people pounced.
Tell me this. in YOUR words. What was an armed 17 year old doing at a protest?
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ARE YOU DEAF he was protecting business from the criminal looters. |
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Post by RWB on Aug 27, 2020 13:03:09 GMT
Let me repeat. A 17 year old kid carried a loaded weapon across state lines with the intent to use it. He used it to kill two people. If he hadn't come across the state line he wouldn't have been in fear of his life. Whatever his motivations were, he put himself into that position. Because of bad judgement on his part, two people are dead.
Greg
He had people attacking him. There is little doubt he could reasonably fear for his life. Manslaughter of some degree would be a better charge the way you describe it, if conviction is the goal. a good Lawyer will get him off with self defense which is exactly what it was. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 27, 2020 13:18:26 GMT
Would anyone object if D-man were banned from LNF? If I get banned, "IF" ?? ? You insisted on it. .. 24 hours. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 27, 2020 13:18:52 GMT
Tell me this. in YOUR words. What was an armed 17 year old doing at a protest?
Greg
ARE YOU DEAF he was protecting business from the criminal looters.
And WHO gave this minor THAT authority?
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 27, 2020 13:19:36 GMT
"IF" ?? ? You insisted on it. .. 24 hours. No more pics of turds.. Please...
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 27, 2020 13:30:39 GMT
Dumbassed kid...
17-year-old suspect in Kenosha shootings was too young to open carry in Wisconsin, might still raise self-defense
Was it legal to carry a rifle at the protests?
If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin. Before Wisconsin passed a concealed carry law in 2011, gun rights advocates organized open-carry group outings and won acquittals or dismissals for several people arrested during the events. More recently, gun owners have been carrying assault-style rifles at demonstrations at state capitols against stay-at-home orders during the early months of the pandemic this spring.
Could the suspect carry the rifle legally?
Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old militia member who has been arrested and is facing a homicide charge in the matter, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had, according to statutes, which say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.
He could be in violation of having a gun within a gun-free zone, if there was, for instance, a school nearby. Also, Illinois law requires anyone who owns any kind of firearm in that state to have a Firearm Owners Identification card, but that is only available to someone 21 or older, or someone with a sponsor who is 21 and eligible for a card.
www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/
There's more in the article. Pro's and con's.
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Post by RWB on Aug 27, 2020 13:43:06 GMT
ARE YOU DEAF he was protecting business from the criminal looters.
And WHO gave this minor THAT authority?
Greg
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 27, 2020 13:59:08 GMT
And WHO gave this minor THAT authority?
Greg
maybe the same people who gave the criminal looters and rioters the right to burn down innocent citizens property.
Was he defending HIS property?
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Post by RWB on Aug 27, 2020 14:09:52 GMT
maybe the same people who gave the criminal looters and rioters the right to burn down innocent citizens property.
Was he defending HIS property?
Greg
YES he was with a group defending business from the criminal looters and rioters since the Democrat led government wouldn't |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 27, 2020 14:23:58 GMT
Was he defending HIS property?
Greg
YES he was with a group defending business from the criminal looters and rioters since the Democrat led government wouldn't
Actually, he was in illegal possession of a firearm in the State of Wisconsin NOT defending his own property. He is a minor. I"m sure as soon as he was arrested, the group he was with evaporated because none of them want's to be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor nor charged as an accessory to a murder charge. I'm also sure the owner of the business he was "defending" will now claim ignorance as to how the kid got in front of his lot with an illegal weapon.
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Post by phillip on Aug 27, 2020 14:29:12 GMT
Out of state, underage, and defending property that wasn't even his. Little surprise Derprunner doesn't see the multiple problems with all of this.
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Post by RWB on Aug 27, 2020 14:33:12 GMT
YES he was with a group defending business from the criminal looters and rioters since the Democrat led government wouldn't
Actually, he was in illegal possession of a firearm in the State of Wisconsin NOT defending his own property. He is a minor. I"m sure as soon as he was arrested, the group he was with evaporated because none of them want's to be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor nor charged as an accessory to a murder charge. I'm also sure the owner of the business he was "defending" will now claim ignorance as to how the kid got in front of his lot with an illegal weapon.
Greg
still doesn't change the fact he was attacked by black lives matter and Antifa criminal Thugs. it's called SELF DEFENSE |
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Post by phillip on Aug 27, 2020 14:35:31 GMT
Actually, he was in illegal possession of a firearm in the State of Wisconsin NOT defending his own property. He is a minor. I"m sure as soon as he was arrested, the group he was with evaporated because none of them want's to be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor nor charged as an accessory to a murder charge. I'm also sure the owner of the business he was "defending" will now claim ignorance as to how the kid got in front of his lot with an illegal weapon.
Greg
still doesn't change the fact he was attacked by black lives matter and Antifa criminal Thugs. it's called SELF DEFENSE
Doesn't change the fact Junior is about to spend quite a lengthy amount of time in prison. I'm sure the inmates will love him.  |
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Post by RWB on Aug 27, 2020 14:35:54 GMT
Out of state, underage, and defending property that wasn't even his. Little surprise Derprunner doesn't see the multiple problems with all of this. I see the basement dwelling Phyllis is chirping away already this morning. |
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 27, 2020 14:38:46 GMT
Out of state, underage, and defending property that wasn't even his. Little surprise Derprunner doesn't see the multiple problems with all of this.
"Derprunner" ?
You mean Rancid Worm Butter?
OK. Good one!
RWB would argue that it's OK for a home invader to shoot the kids, because they attacked him while he was trying to rob the place.
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