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Post by petep on Aug 16, 2020 19:51:10 GMT
look at our most "progressive" cities...places where you have 5 locks on your door, and where murder is up 16% this year in our top 25 largest cities...
why is it when you say why can't we live like we did 30 years ago - well maybe not in liberal run cities even back then - and be able to leave our doors open, you are mocked for being old fashioned...
is being able to leave your doors unlocked without the fear of being robbed such a bad thing...is being robbed because you left your door open the defining moment in a progressive society,,,hey , we've been robbed...we made it...
as we have evolved, and have become more progressive, we are less trusting of others - for good reason - than before...
places like denmark, that once in their homogeneous society could have open meter parking, had to end the practice as being progressive gave them robberies...what advancement...
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Post by atreyu on Aug 16, 2020 20:02:11 GMT
What's stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 20:14:21 GMT
Gee, I wonder if it might have to do with the concentration of people.
That is, if there was any provided evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 20:28:22 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_numberIn populations under a certain size, people generally know each other well enough that social trust and reciprocity are enough to maintain order. You can leave your doors unlocked, your keys in your car, and your kids can walk to school (if there is one) without a worry in the world. These are the sorts of communities that can survive without official or formal sources of governance. Mutual aid societies and customary legal institutions tend to work well enough, but eventually the population will grow beyond the limits of Dunbar's number and then tax funded centralized organs of governance become necessary. Larger populations breed feelings of anonymity and this reduces the social cost of deviant behavior. Taken together, we shouldn't lament the loss of trust in society resulting from population growth and economic development. It couldn't be any other way. We could try to pause progress and keep our communities shut off from outsiders, from growth, progress and modernity, but what would be the point? Far better to progress even if such progress is not an unambiguous good. After all, what is there that is?
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Post by bama beau on Aug 16, 2020 20:57:13 GMT
One also has to factor in diversity.
It is relatively easy to remain familiar
with those who are much like you. It is
also relatively easy to keep track of the
few who stand out, as well as convenient
for the purposes of scapegoating. But once
a community or a culture becomes diverse,
nearly everyone makes different calculations.
That is what is happening now. Our diversity,
which should be one of our strengths, is being
exploited and used as a weapon to divide and
conquer us. With Putin as master, and with trumP
and the GOPP as minions, we are being subjugated.
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Post by RWB on Aug 16, 2020 21:16:35 GMT
One also has to factor in diversity. It is relatively easy to remain familiar with those who are much like you. It is also relatively easy to keep track of the few who stand out, as well as convenient for the purposes of scapegoating. But once a community or a culture becomes diverse, nearly everyone makes different calculations. That is what is happening now. Our diversity, which should be one of our strengths, is being exploited and used as a weapon to divide and conquer us. With Putin as master, and with trumP and the GOPP as minions, we are being subjugated. just when I think you can't get any stupider you post some tinfoil conspiracy theorie shit like this and prove me wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 21:36:24 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_numberIn populations under a certain size, people generally know each other well enough that social trust and reciprocity are enough to maintain order. You can leave your doors unlocked, your keys in your car, and your kids can walk to school (if there is one) without a worry in the world. These are the sorts of communities that can survive without official or formal sources of governance. Mutual aid societies and customary legal institutions tend to work well enough, but eventually the population will grow beyond the limits of Dunbar's number and then tax funded centralized organs of governance become necessary. Larger populations breed feelings of anonymity and this reduces the social cost of deviant behavior. Taken together, we shouldn't lament the loss of trust in society resulting from population growth and economic development. It couldn't be any other way. We could try to pause progress and keep our communities shut off from outsiders, from growth, progress and modernity, but what would be the point? Far better to progress even if such progress is not an unambiguous good. After all, what is there that is? >Proponents assert that numbers larger than this generally require more restrictive rules, laws, and enforced norms to maintain a stable, cohesive group. This is where homogeneity comes in, not just racial, but cultural. If everyone shares the same culture, and it is a rich culture, then even if one person doesn't know another person, he still knows a lot about him. But as cultures vary within a setting, or as a culture starts to deteriorate and becomes less shared among people, this shared background and knowledge, and the shared expectations derived therefrom, become less supportive of cohesion, allowing more sparks of conflict and fewer ways to reduce conflict once sparked. You're not going to have a lot of cultural homogeneity in a society free enough to grow, or if you do, its not going to last long. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 21:59:19 GMT
You're not going to have a lot of cultural homogeneity in a society free enough to grow, or if you do, its not going to last long. Cultural homogeneity will exist in degrees. And it has benefits. So if we have a choice between advocating for more or less of it, perhaps it is better to advocate for more. And to the extent that there is a homogeneous culture, and we have a choice between advocating for preserving it rather than breaking from it, perhaps it is better to advocate for preserving it. Each of these choices seems to be the opposite of what progressives advocate for. Generally speaking, they advocate for diversifying of culture and also for diminishing the dominant culture. Insofar as their advocacy is effective, their choices for advocacy may lead to more problems than if they advocated for the opposite. The desire for the "choice" of a homogeneous culture, in the context of a dynamic, evolving and diverse culture, is simply a call to make war on those who are different from you. This sort of approach undermines the liberal project, the capitalist economic order and the very processes which have made western societies great. The fact of the matter is healthy societies will be growing and changing and that means industries, companies, technologies, and, yes, even culture, will be in a state of flux, or what our econ friends call "creative-destruction." There is no way out. Just accept it and enjoy the ride. |
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Post by limey² on Aug 16, 2020 22:28:58 GMT
look at our most "progressive" cities...places where you have 5 locks on your door, and where murder is up 16% this year in our top 25 largest cities... why is it when you say why can't we live like we did 30 years ago - well maybe not in liberal run cities even back then - and be able to leave our doors open, you are mocked for being old fashioned... is being able to leave your doors unlocked without the fear of being robbed such a bad thing...is being robbed because you left your door open the defining moment in a progressive society,,,hey , we've been robbed...we made it... as we have evolved, and have become more progressive, we are less trusting of others - for good reason - than before... places like denmark, that once in their homogeneous society could have open meter parking, had to end the practice as being progressive gave them robberies...what advancement... I've not locked my doors for years, except when leaving the house to go away on holiday. Rarely lock my Range Rover either, at home. We just don't have crime in my village. Nor in the city a couple of miles down the road, really. Not enough to worry about anyway. If you're scared, dman, you could emigrate to England. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 22:36:04 GMT
look at our most "progressive" cities...places where you have 5 locks on your door, and where murder is up 16% this year in our top 25 largest cities... why is it when you say why can't we live like we did 30 years ago - well maybe not in liberal run cities even back then - and be able to leave our doors open, you are mocked for being old fashioned... is being able to leave your doors unlocked without the fear of being robbed such a bad thing...is being robbed because you left your door open the defining moment in a progressive society,,,hey , we've been robbed...we made it... as we have evolved, and have become more progressive, we are less trusting of others - for good reason - than before... places like denmark, that once in their homogeneous society could have open meter parking, had to end the practice as being progressive gave them robberies...what advancement... I've not locked my doors for years, except when leaving the house to go away on holiday. Rarely lock my Range Rover either, at home. We just don't have crime in my village. Nor in the city a couple of miles down the road, really. Not enough to worry about anyway. If you're scared, dman, you could emigrate to England. I thought the mooslims had taken over and instituted Shahira law. |
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Post by MojoJojo on Aug 16, 2020 22:49:22 GMT
look at our most "progressive" cities...places where you have 5 locks on your door, and where murder is up 16% this year in our top 25 largest cities... why is it when you say why can't we live like we did 30 years ago - well maybe not in liberal run cities even back then - and be able to leave our doors open, you are mocked for being old fashioned... is being able to leave your doors unlocked without the fear of being robbed such a bad thing...is being robbed because you left your door open the defining moment in a progressive society,,,hey , we've been robbed...we made it... as we have evolved, and have become more progressive, we are less trusting of others - for good reason - than before... places like denmark, that once in their homogeneous society could have open meter parking, had to end the practice as being progressive gave them robberies...what advancement... This is more of your well documented correlation as causation. Population density and location on the socioeconomic hierarchy are much better indicators of crime, and fear of crime, than is a political philosophy. Not that it matters because crime in the city = Democratic policy fits a whole lot better... |
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Post by stugatze on Aug 16, 2020 23:36:56 GMT
look at our most "progressive" cities...places where you have 5 locks on your door, and where murder is up 16% this year in our top 25 largest cities... why is it when you say why can't we live like we did 30 years ago - well maybe not in liberal run cities even back then - and be able to leave our doors open, you are mocked for being old fashioned... is being able to leave your doors unlocked without the fear of being robbed such a bad thing...is being robbed because you left your door open the defining moment in a progressive society,,,hey , we've been robbed...we made it... as we have evolved, and have become more progressive, we are less trusting of others - for good reason - than before... places like denmark, that once in their homogeneous society could have open meter parking, had to end the practice as being progressive gave them robberies...what advancement...
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Post by limey² on Aug 17, 2020 0:02:36 GMT
I've not locked my doors for years, except when leaving the house to go away on holiday. Rarely lock my Range Rover either, at home. We just don't have crime in my village. Nor in the city a couple of miles down the road, really. Not enough to worry about anyway. If you're scared, dman, you could emigrate to England. I thought the mooslims had taken over and instituted Shahira law. Only in very narrowly defined geographic locations, i.e. inside Stu's head. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 0:12:13 GMT
I thought the mooslims had taken over and instituted Shahira law. Only in very narrowly defined geographic locations, i.e. inside Stu's head. I didn't know England has a vast desert. |
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 17, 2020 0:14:53 GMT
look at our most "progressive" cities...places where you have 5 locks on your door, and where murder is up 16% this year in our top 25 largest cities... why is it when you say why can't we live like we did 30 years ago - well maybe not in liberal run cities even back then - and be able to leave our doors open, you are mocked for being old fashioned... is being able to leave your doors unlocked without the fear of being robbed such a bad thing...is being robbed because you left your door open the defining moment in a progressive society,,,hey , we've been robbed...we made it... as we have evolved, and have become more progressive, we are less trusting of others - for good reason - than before... places like denmark, that once in their homogeneous society could have open meter parking, had to end the practice as being progressive gave them robberies...what advancement...
Oh, total BS as usual from PP.
I live in a very liberal town in a very liberal region of a very liberal/progressive state.
I've NEVER seen human feces on the sidewalks here, nor have I EVER seen needles on the street. And there is a homeless encampment about 10 blocks from me. They stick to the area next to the railroad tracks. I used to ride my bicycle to work along those tracks every day, and the homeless kept that area relatively clean, and I have photos to prove it. It's not their fault they are down on their luck.
When you see reports of "feces laden streets", you need to ask yourself if that's because of stray dogs. Really, use your head instead of your dick for a change.
Oh, and I've lived in this liberal area and NEVER had a home break-in. I do lock my vehicles and front door/front gate, but the only intruders I get are squirrels (who raid my fruit trees) and raccoons (who will raid the garden and fish pond but are deterred by a combination of electric fence wires and humane traps). And on occasion I've forgotten to lock the front door and/or gate and NEVER had an intrusion.
And guess who have the least compunction about ripping people off? Assholes like your President, that's who.
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 17, 2020 0:20:01 GMT
I thought the mooslims had taken over and instituted Shahira law. Only in very narrowly defined geographic locations, i.e. inside Stu's head.
Oh, you mean in the vacuum of inner space?
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Post by petep on Aug 17, 2020 15:39:58 GMT
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