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As Ukraine’s struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law enforcement agencies.
A January 28 demonstration, in Kiev, by 600 members of the so-called “National Militia,” a newly-formed ultranationalist group that vows “to use force to establish order,” illustrates this threat. While the group’s Kiev launch was peaceful, National Militia members in balaclavas stormed a city council meeting in the central Ukrainian town of Cherkasy the following day, skirmishing with deputies and forcing them to pass a new budget.
Many of the National Militia's members come from the Azov movement, one of the 30-odd privately-funded “volunteer battalions” that, in the early days of the war, helped the regular army to defend Ukrainian territory against Russia's separatist proxies. Although Azov uses Nazi-era symbolism and recruits neo-Nazis into its ranks, a recent article in Foreign Affairs downplayed any risks the group might pose, pointing out that, like other volunteer militias, Azov has been “reined in” through its integration into Ukraine’s armed forces. While it’s true that private militias no longer rule the battlefront, it’s the home front that Kiev needs to worry about now.
Those pictures of tiki torch wielders is giving me PTSD!!
As the Trump administration mulls sending weapons to Ukraine, the question of far-right forces employed by the Kiev government has returned to the forefront. Some Western observers claim that there are no neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine, chalking the assertion up to propaganda from Moscow. Unfortunately, they are sadly mistaken.
There are indeed neo-Nazi formations in Ukraine. This has been overwhelmingly confirmed by nearly every major Western outlet. The fact that analysts are able to dismiss it as propaganda disseminated by Moscow is profoundly disturbing. It is especially disturbing given the current surge of neo-Nazis and white supremacists across the globe.
The most infamous neo-Nazi group in Ukraine is the 3,000-strong Azov Battalion, founded in 2014. Prior to creating Azov, its commander, Andriy Biletsky, headed the neo-Nazi group Patriot of Ukraine, members of which went on to form the core of Azov. Biletsky had stated that the mission of Ukraine is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival … against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”
Five years ago, Ukraine’s Maidan uprising ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, to the cheers and support of the West. Politicians and analysts in the United States and Europe not only celebrated the uprising as a triumph of democracy, but denied reports of Maidan’s ultranationalism, smearing those who warned about the dark side of the uprising as Moscow puppets and useful idiots. Freedom was on the march in Ukraine.
Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.
The Obama administration has vehemently denied charges that Ukraine's nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite clear evidence suggesting otherwise. Such categorical repudiations lend credence to the notion the U.S. facilitated the anti-Russian cabal's rise to power as part of a broader strategy to draw Ukraine into the West's sphere of influence. Even more disturbing are apologists, from the American left and right, who seem willing accomplices in this obfuscation of reality, when just a cursory glance at the profiles of Ukraine's new leaders should give pause to the most zealous of Russophobes.
In a State Department "fact sheet" released last week the U.S. accused Putin of lying about the Ukrainian government being under the sway of extremist elements. The report stated that right wing ultranationalist groups "are not represented in the Rada (Ukraine's parliament)," and that "there is no indication the government would pursue discriminatory policies."
It isn't too surprising that conservative outlets like FOX News would downplay Russian allegations but the so-called "liberal" press has also contributed to the American disinformation campaign. Celestine Bohlen from The New York Times considers harsh epithets, like the word "neo-Nazi," which Putin has hurled at the demonstrators in Kiev as part of a Russian propaganda effort to tarnish Ukraine's revolutionary struggle against authoritarianism.
The CIA has been secretly training anti-Russian groups in Ukraine since 2015. Everything we know points to the likelihood that includes neo-Nazis inspiring far-right terrorists across the world.
Given the facts, there’s a good chance that the CIA is training actual, literal Nazis as part of this effort. The year the program started, 2015, also happened to be the same year that Congress passed a spending bill that featured hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of economic and military support for Ukraine, one that was expressly modified to allow that support to flow to the country’s resident neo-Nazi militia, the Azov Regiment. According to the Nation at the time, the text of the bill passed in the middle of that year featured an amendment explicitly barring “arms, training, and other assistance” to Azov, but the House committee in charge of the bill was pressured by the Pentagon months later to remove the language, falsely telling them it was redundant.
Despite sometimes open acknowledgement of its Nazism — its former commander once said the “historic mission” of Ukraine is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival” in “a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen” — Azov was incorporated into the country’s National Guard in 2014, owing to its effectiveness in fighting Russian separatists. US arms have flowed to the militia, NATO and US military officials have been pictured meeting with them, and members of the militia have talked about their work with US trainers and the lack of background screening to weed out white supremacists.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 19:34:53 GMT
Maybe Putin's problem is similar to the average leftist in the West's problem?
He takes Western media at face value? Is that it?
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 1, 2022 19:39:12 GMT
You forgot the drug dealers and Crimean genocide.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 1, 2022 19:40:31 GMT
As Ukraine’s struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law enforcement agencies.
A January 28 demonstration, in Kiev, by 600 members of the so-called “National Militia,” a newly-formed ultranationalist group that vows “to use force to establish order,” illustrates this threat. While the group’s Kiev launch was peaceful, National Militia members in balaclavas stormed a city council meeting in the central Ukrainian town of Cherkasy the following day, skirmishing with deputies and forcing them to pass a new budget.
Many of the National Militia's members come from the Azov movement, one of the 30-odd privately-funded “volunteer battalions” that, in the early days of the war, helped the regular army to defend Ukrainian territory against Russia's separatist proxies. Although Azov uses Nazi-era symbolism and recruits neo-Nazis into its ranks, a recent article in Foreign Affairs downplayed any risks the group might pose, pointing out that, like other volunteer militias, Azov has been “reined in” through its integration into Ukraine’s armed forces. While it’s true that private militias no longer rule the battlefront, it’s the home front that Kiev needs to worry about now.
Those pictures of tiki torch wielders is giving me PTSD!!
As the Trump administration mulls sending weapons to Ukraine, the question of far-right forces employed by the Kiev government has returned to the forefront. Some Western observers claim that there are no neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine, chalking the assertion up to propaganda from Moscow. Unfortunately, they are sadly mistaken.
There are indeed neo-Nazi formations in Ukraine. This has been overwhelmingly confirmed by nearly every major Western outlet. The fact that analysts are able to dismiss it as propaganda disseminated by Moscow is profoundly disturbing. It is especially disturbing given the current surge of neo-Nazis and white supremacists across the globe.
The most infamous neo-Nazi group in Ukraine is the 3,000-strong Azov Battalion, founded in 2014. Prior to creating Azov, its commander, Andriy Biletsky, headed the neo-Nazi group Patriot of Ukraine, members of which went on to form the core of Azov. Biletsky had stated that the mission of Ukraine is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival … against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”
Five years ago, Ukraine’s Maidan uprising ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, to the cheers and support of the West. Politicians and analysts in the United States and Europe not only celebrated the uprising as a triumph of democracy, but denied reports of Maidan’s ultranationalism, smearing those who warned about the dark side of the uprising as Moscow puppets and useful idiots. Freedom was on the march in Ukraine.
Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.
The Obama administration has vehemently denied charges that Ukraine's nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite clear evidence suggesting otherwise. Such categorical repudiations lend credence to the notion the U.S. facilitated the anti-Russian cabal's rise to power as part of a broader strategy to draw Ukraine into the West's sphere of influence. Even more disturbing are apologists, from the American left and right, who seem willing accomplices in this obfuscation of reality, when just a cursory glance at the profiles of Ukraine's new leaders should give pause to the most zealous of Russophobes.
In a State Department "fact sheet" released last week the U.S. accused Putin of lying about the Ukrainian government being under the sway of extremist elements. The report stated that right wing ultranationalist groups "are not represented in the Rada (Ukraine's parliament)," and that "there is no indication the government would pursue discriminatory policies."
It isn't too surprising that conservative outlets like FOX News would downplay Russian allegations but the so-called "liberal" press has also contributed to the American disinformation campaign. Celestine Bohlen from The New York Times considers harsh epithets, like the word "neo-Nazi," which Putin has hurled at the demonstrators in Kiev as part of a Russian propaganda effort to tarnish Ukraine's revolutionary struggle against authoritarianism.
The CIA has been secretly training anti-Russian groups in Ukraine since 2015. Everything we know points to the likelihood that includes neo-Nazis inspiring far-right terrorists across the world.
Given the facts, there’s a good chance that the CIA is training actual, literal Nazis as part of this effort. The year the program started, 2015, also happened to be the same year that Congress passed a spending bill that featured hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of economic and military support for Ukraine, one that was expressly modified to allow that support to flow to the country’s resident neo-Nazi militia, the Azov Regiment. According to the Nation at the time, the text of the bill passed in the middle of that year featured an amendment explicitly barring “arms, training, and other assistance” to Azov, but the House committee in charge of the bill was pressured by the Pentagon months later to remove the language, falsely telling them it was redundant.
Despite sometimes open acknowledgement of its Nazism — its former commander once said the “historic mission” of Ukraine is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival” in “a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen” — Azov was incorporated into the country’s National Guard in 2014, owing to its effectiveness in fighting Russian separatists. US arms have flowed to the militia, NATO and US military officials have been pictured meeting with them, and members of the militia have talked about their work with US trainers and the lack of background screening to weed out white supremacists.
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Post by demos on Mar 1, 2022 19:48:39 GMT
Have you gone from Q... to Stu? Greg The CIA really was training Ukrainian paramilitaries. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/134400Whether or not some of those were neo-Nazis; who knows. Wouldn't be the first time the CIA worked with Nazis though. |
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 1, 2022 19:54:30 GMT
Zelensky's Jewish .. Weird.. Huh..
Also weird ..
Ukrainian Neo-Nazis = Bad.
American Neo-Nazis = legitimate political discourse
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 1, 2022 19:56:01 GMT
"and members of the militia have talked about their work with US trainers and the lack of background screening to weed out white supremacists."
Sounds like the police force in a large US city ..
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 19:58:05 GMT
What are the odds all of this neo-nazi stuff is really just US media "everything is nazism" stance backfiring?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 19:59:53 GMT
Zelensky's Jewish .. Weird.. Huh..
Also weird ..
Ukrainian Neo-Nazis = Bad.
American Neo-Nazis = legitimate political discourse
Trust Fiddler to fail on understanding a topic and you can't go wrong.
This thread is about media and government misinformation. Try to keep up Fidds.
A group of more than 40 human rights activists have filed a petition with the High Court of Justice, demanding the cessation of Israeli arms exports to Ukraine.
They argue that these weapons serve forces that openly espouse a neo-Nazi ideology and cite evidence that the right-wing Azov militia, whose members are part of Ukraine’s armed forces, and are supported by the country’s ministry of internal affairs, is using these weapons.
An earlier appeal to the Defense Ministry was met with no response.
The ministry’s considerations in granting export licenses for armaments are not disclosed to the public, but it appears that the appearance of Israeli weapons in the hands of avowed neo-Nazis should be a consideration used in opposing the granting of such a license.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 20:00:25 GMT
Zelensky's Jewish .. Weird.. Huh..
Also weird ..
Ukrainian Neo-Nazis = Bad.
American Neo-Nazis = legitimate political discourse
Trust Fiddler to fail on understanding a topic and you can't go wrong.
This thread is about media and government misinformation. Try to keep up Fidds.
A group of more than 40 human rights activists have filed a petition with the High Court of Justice, demanding the cessation of Israeli arms exports to Ukraine.
They argue that these weapons serve forces that openly espouse a neo-Nazi ideology and cite evidence that the right-wing Azov militia, whose members are part of Ukraine’s armed forces, and are supported by the country’s ministry of internal affairs, is using these weapons.
An earlier appeal to the Defense Ministry was met with no response.
The ministry’s considerations in granting export licenses for armaments are not disclosed to the public, but it appears that the appearance of Israeli weapons in the hands of avowed neo-Nazis should be a consideration used in opposing the granting of such a license.
On the other hand ... nm. The fearmongering about neo nazis in America is also media and government propaganda and misinformation.
My bad. Carry on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 20:01:03 GMT
As Ukraine’s struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law enforcement agencies.
A January 28 demonstration, in Kiev, by 600 members of the so-called “National Militia,” a newly-formed ultranationalist group that vows “to use force to establish order,” illustrates this threat. While the group’s Kiev launch was peaceful, National Militia members in balaclavas stormed a city council meeting in the central Ukrainian town of Cherkasy the following day, skirmishing with deputies and forcing them to pass a new budget.
Many of the National Militia's members come from the Azov movement, one of the 30-odd privately-funded “volunteer battalions” that, in the early days of the war, helped the regular army to defend Ukrainian territory against Russia's separatist proxies. Although Azov uses Nazi-era symbolism and recruits neo-Nazis into its ranks, a recent article in Foreign Affairs downplayed any risks the group might pose, pointing out that, like other volunteer militias, Azov has been “reined in” through its integration into Ukraine’s armed forces. While it’s true that private militias no longer rule the battlefront, it’s the home front that Kiev needs to worry about now.
Those pictures of tiki torch wielders is giving me PTSD!!
As the Trump administration mulls sending weapons to Ukraine, the question of far-right forces employed by the Kiev government has returned to the forefront. Some Western observers claim that there are no neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine, chalking the assertion up to propaganda from Moscow. Unfortunately, they are sadly mistaken.
There are indeed neo-Nazi formations in Ukraine. This has been overwhelmingly confirmed by nearly every major Western outlet. The fact that analysts are able to dismiss it as propaganda disseminated by Moscow is profoundly disturbing. It is especially disturbing given the current surge of neo-Nazis and white supremacists across the globe.
The most infamous neo-Nazi group in Ukraine is the 3,000-strong Azov Battalion, founded in 2014. Prior to creating Azov, its commander, Andriy Biletsky, headed the neo-Nazi group Patriot of Ukraine, members of which went on to form the core of Azov. Biletsky had stated that the mission of Ukraine is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival … against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”
Five years ago, Ukraine’s Maidan uprising ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, to the cheers and support of the West. Politicians and analysts in the United States and Europe not only celebrated the uprising as a triumph of democracy, but denied reports of Maidan’s ultranationalism, smearing those who warned about the dark side of the uprising as Moscow puppets and useful idiots. Freedom was on the march in Ukraine.
Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.
The Obama administration has vehemently denied charges that Ukraine's nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite clear evidence suggesting otherwise. Such categorical repudiations lend credence to the notion the U.S. facilitated the anti-Russian cabal's rise to power as part of a broader strategy to draw Ukraine into the West's sphere of influence. Even more disturbing are apologists, from the American left and right, who seem willing accomplices in this obfuscation of reality, when just a cursory glance at the profiles of Ukraine's new leaders should give pause to the most zealous of Russophobes.
In a State Department "fact sheet" released last week the U.S. accused Putin of lying about the Ukrainian government being under the sway of extremist elements. The report stated that right wing ultranationalist groups "are not represented in the Rada (Ukraine's parliament)," and that "there is no indication the government would pursue discriminatory policies."
It isn't too surprising that conservative outlets like FOX News would downplay Russian allegations but the so-called "liberal" press has also contributed to the American disinformation campaign. Celestine Bohlen from The New York Times considers harsh epithets, like the word "neo-Nazi," which Putin has hurled at the demonstrators in Kiev as part of a Russian propaganda effort to tarnish Ukraine's revolutionary struggle against authoritarianism.
The CIA has been secretly training anti-Russian groups in Ukraine since 2015. Everything we know points to the likelihood that includes neo-Nazis inspiring far-right terrorists across the world.
Given the facts, there’s a good chance that the CIA is training actual, literal Nazis as part of this effort. The year the program started, 2015, also happened to be the same year that Congress passed a spending bill that featured hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of economic and military support for Ukraine, one that was expressly modified to allow that support to flow to the country’s resident neo-Nazi militia, the Azov Regiment. According to the Nation at the time, the text of the bill passed in the middle of that year featured an amendment explicitly barring “arms, training, and other assistance” to Azov, but the House committee in charge of the bill was pressured by the Pentagon months later to remove the language, falsely telling them it was redundant.
Despite sometimes open acknowledgement of its Nazism — its former commander once said the “historic mission” of Ukraine is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival” in “a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen” — Azov was incorporated into the country’s National Guard in 2014, owing to its effectiveness in fighting Russian separatists. US arms have flowed to the militia, NATO and US military officials have been pictured meeting with them, and members of the militia have talked about their work with US trainers and the lack of background screening to weed out white supremacists.
Have you gone from Q... to Stu? Greg
I dunno. Is Stu a big sharer of Huffington Post, The Nation, Jacobin and Haaretz left leaning articles? I don't read Stu's threads Greg. You'll have to fill me in.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 1, 2022 20:15:39 GMT
Have you gone from Q... to Stu? Greg
I dunno. Is Stu a big sharer of Huffington Post, The Nation, Jacobin and Haaretz left leaning articles? I don't read Stu's threads Greg. You'll have to fill me in.
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Post by demos on Mar 1, 2022 20:18:11 GMT
So Q, do YOU believe Putin invaded Ukraine to stamp out Neo-Nazis? Given the extensive coverage in Western media, he probably felt it was a good propaganda move. But as we've seen, he's made a lot of miscalculations here. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 1, 2022 20:19:01 GMT
So Q, do YOU believe Putin invaded Ukraine to stamp out Neo-Nazis? Given the extensive coverage in Western media, he probably felt it was a good propaganda move. But as we've seen, he's made a lot of miscalculations here. You saying it's bullshit then? Greg |
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Post by demos on Mar 1, 2022 20:22:31 GMT
You saying it's bullshit then? That's there's some neo-Nazis in Ukraine or that Putin wants to "denazify" Ukraine? The latter is definitely BS. It's a fig leaf to justify his actions with the domestic and international audiences. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 20:43:54 GMT
I dunno. Is Stu a big sharer of Huffington Post, The Nation, Jacobin and Haaretz left leaning articles? I don't read Stu's threads Greg. You'll have to fill me in.
So Q, do YOU believe Putin invaded Ukraine to stamp out Neo-Nazis? Greg
No Greg. Don't worry Greg. I can match your deliberate obstinance with the patience of Job. Because I love you. And I do mean that.
I think Putin's casus belli is the one he has been consistently hammering for many ... many years that can only be ignored by people with impure motives.
The advocacy of US politicians both Democrat and Republican for Ukrainian NATO membership in violation of agreements made in the 1990s, and Zelenskyy's own stated intention of joining NATO by 2024.
This neo nazi thing is just icing. I don't think it can be established this is a miscalculation yet as demos suggests.
Social media companies are being chastised to do more to block these neo nazi assertions that can be easily backed up even if only speciously by multiple articles in recent years from Democrat leaning journalists in openly Democratic Party supporting news outlets.
Blocking these assertions as we all know the overreach is going to do only gives the assertions even more credence in the minds of what constitutes a growing half of our country.
A growing half because of these openly manipulative and clumsily desperate tactics being used by our government bureaucrats.
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 20:51:41 GMT
So Q, do YOU believe Putin invaded Ukraine to stamp out Neo-Nazis? Greg
No Greg. Don't worry Greg. I can match your deliberate obstinance with the patience of Job. Because I love you. And I do mean that.
I think Putin's casus belli is the one he has been consistently hammering for many ... many years that can only be ignored by people with impure motives.
The advocacy of US politicians both Democrat and Republican for Ukrainian NATO membership in violation of agreements made in the 1990s, and Zelenskyy's own stated intention of joining NATO by 2024.
This neo nazi thing is just icing. I don't think it can be established this is a miscalculation yet as demos suggests.
Social media companies are being chastised to do more to block these neo nazi assertions that can be easily backed up even if only speciously by multiple articles in recent years from Democrat leaning journalists in openly Democratic Party supporting news outlets.
Blocking these assertions as we all know the overreach is going to do only gives the assertions even more credence in the minds of what constitutes a growing half of our country.
A growing half because of these openly manipulative and clumsily desperate tactics being used by our government bureaucrats.
I'm starting to think that the neo-nazi references - like a great deal of the messages that Putin puts out - are directed at the US and US media and their consumers.
He probably is aware of the media/antifa/politicians focus on neo-nazis and overuse of accusations of nazism, but doesn't understand the intricacies of that whole dynamic. And so he thinks he can capture western - again, particularly US - establishment attention and soften them to his goals. Just a guess. But seems pretty plausible.
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 1, 2022 20:57:39 GMT
No Greg. Don't worry Greg. I can match your deliberate obstinance with the patience of Job. Because I love you. And I do mean that.
I think Putin's casus belli is the one he has been consistently hammering for many ... many years that can only be ignored by people with impure motives.
The advocacy of US politicians both Democrat and Republican for Ukrainian NATO membership in violation of agreements made in the 1990s, and Zelenskyy's own stated intention of joining NATO by 2024.
This neo nazi thing is just icing. I don't think it can be established this is a miscalculation yet as demos suggests.
Social media companies are being chastised to do more to block these neo nazi assertions that can be easily backed up even if only speciously by multiple articles in recent years from Democrat leaning journalists in openly Democratic Party supporting news outlets.
Blocking these assertions as we all know the overreach is going to do only gives the assertions even more credence in the minds of what constitutes a growing half of our country.
A growing half because of these openly manipulative and clumsily desperate tactics being used by our government bureaucrats.
I'm starting to think that the neo-nazi references - like a great deal of the messages that Putin puts out - are directed at the US and US media and their consumers.
He probably is aware of the media/antifa/politicians focus on neo-nazis and overuse of accusations of nazism, but doesn't understand the intricacies of that whole dynamic. And so he thinks he can capture western - again, particularly US - establishment attention and soften them to his goals. Just a guess. But seems pretty plausible.
And would explain Putin's interest in getting Trump elected ..
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 21:02:37 GMT
I'm starting to think that the neo-nazi references - like a great deal of the messages that Putin puts out - are directed at the US and US media and their consumers.
He probably is aware of the media/antifa/politicians focus on neo-nazis and overuse of accusations of nazism, but doesn't understand the intricacies of that whole dynamic. And so he thinks he can capture western - again, particularly US - establishment attention and soften them to his goals. Just a guess. But seems pretty plausible.
And would explain Putin's interest in getting Trump elected ..
I don't see how. Maybe you could explain.
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 2, 2022 14:28:32 GMT
And would explain Putin's interest in getting Trump elected ..
I don't see how. Maybe you could explain.
In installing Trump, a self-proclaimed White Nationalist president, Putin sought to bolster his claim of a neo-Nazis rise..
The media/antifa/politicians focus on neo-Nazis.. as you say.. and the huge increase in US White Supremacist lawlessness is the result of having a near neo-Nazi US president who is sympathetic to their cause... at least outwardly.
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