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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 1:43:29 GMT
Atheists, poor empty creatures that they are, will grasp at any straw that they can find to bash Christians. No, Putin is not a Christian nor is he a friend to religious liberty, frequently prosecuting and jailing evangelicals. Russia has laws prohibiting free religious expression.
So, Senate candidate Lauren Witzke is stupidly wrong about Putin, as is anyone that pretends that brutal leaders of the past were actually Christian.
Saying Putin is a Christian is as dishonest as saying that Joe Biden is a Christian.
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories?
Why would you deride the weak, the unintelligent, the fearful in this way? And for choosing a path that offers them kindness, support, comfort, charity, hope, love, rather than the trashy way you have treated them with your "question"?
Religion is definitely for these people. These people are exactly the folks Jesus sought out. The poor. The sick. The weak. The fearful. He did so to provide them community, hope, courage, strength, care, and charity.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 1, 2022 1:46:38 GMT
Why would you worship yourself sicko? Atheist, that's a question for you, not me. I don't worship self, but that's all you have left to worship.
Says more about you than I. You'd worship yourself as a last resort. Something tells me it wouldn't even be your last resort in your case.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 1, 2022 1:47:31 GMT
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories?
Why would you deride the weak, the unintelligent, the fearful in this way? And for choosing a path that offers them kindness, support, comfort, charity, hope, love, rather than the trashy way you have treated them with your "question"?
Religion is definitely for these people. These people are exactly the folks Jesus sought out. The poor. The sick. The weak. The fearful. He did so to provide them community, hope, courage, strength, care, and charity.
Depends on which verses you pick... you left out a WHOLE lot of hate.
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 1:54:06 GMT
Why would you deride the weak, the unintelligent, the fearful in this way? And for choosing a path that offers them kindness, support, comfort, charity, hope, love, rather than the trashy way you have treated them with your "question"?
Religion is definitely for these people. These people are exactly the folks Jesus sought out. The poor. The sick. The weak. The fearful. He did so to provide them community, hope, courage, strength, care, and charity.
Depends on which verses you pick... you left out a WHOLE lot of hate.
Well, ya, there was the whole incident with the money changers.
But the thrust of Christianity and many other religions is love, hope, charity, and forgiveness. Particularly for those most in need of these things.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 1, 2022 2:07:23 GMT
Depends on which verses you pick... you left out a WHOLE lot of hate.
Well, ya, there was the whole incident with the money changers.
But the thrust of Christianity and many other religions is love, hope, charity, and forgiveness. Particularly for those most in need of these things.
Disagree.
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Post by Paleocon on Mar 1, 2022 3:52:56 GMT
Atheist, that's a question for you, not me. I don't worship self, but that's all you have left to worship.
Says more about you than I. You'd worship yourself as a last resort. Something tells me it wouldn't even be your last resort in your case. You denial is noted, but not believed. It must be devastating and depressing to you to think that the guy in your mirror is as high as the food chain goes.
Under your belief system, we didn't get very far as a species, did we? I'd have a bad attitude, too, if the shallow narrative of the atheist was the end of the story.
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Post by johnnybgood on Mar 1, 2022 6:12:27 GMT
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories? Or is religion more like an excuse to pontificate and put on ludicrous airs and graces? Actually, atheism is for shallow, weak creatures who fill that void by tormenting, ridiculing and criticizing Christians. It takes no moral courage to remain an empty vessel, nor intellect to persecute those who are religious. Have you noticed that the immoral/amoral hatred and intolerance seems to flow from the atheists, not the Christians?
And you're confused.....pontificating and putting on ludicrous airs and graces is simply called being British.
That's the dumbest thing I ever saw. If an atheist ever said that, then they're just as dumb as people who think there was a human or is a human that is a god. Christianity stands by that "Magical" theory. Even if there is a god, Christianity is one of the most far-fetched. "Magically re-arranged itself"? lol, a Christian probably wrote this. It makes perfect sense a Christian would write that. An atheist wouldn't say "Magically". I don't recognize myself as an Atheist. Evolution is fact and 99% of religion has been debunked, doesn't mean (to me) there is not a god. I don't reject that there is a God, therefore like many who know evolution is a fact, does not make them atheists. |
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Post by johnnybgood on Mar 1, 2022 6:23:09 GMT
I greatly respect Freon for his faithfulness and adherence to his religion, even if we differ in the religion that we follow. I didn't mean "poor empty creatures" as an insult, just as a sad statement of fact for atheists.
Atheists believe that there is nothing more than themselves, and unfortunately, "self" is usually a disappointing and flawed deity to worship.
Do Animals and plants go to heaven? If not, sounds like the religious are the ones who do that "self" stuff. Atheist recognize more then humans. The planet doesn't revolve around humans. The planet has absolutely no use for humans. Many of the religious reject those that don't follow their religion. If there is a God that created this planet and life, he knows he screwed up bad creating humans. We destroy everything he/she made. |
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Post by limey² on Mar 1, 2022 6:31:23 GMT
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories?
Why would you deride the weak, the unintelligent, the fearful in this way? And for choosing a path that offers them kindness, support, comfort, charity, hope, love, rather than the trashy way you have treated them with your "question"?
Religion is definitely for these people. These people are exactly the folks Jesus sought out. The poor. The sick. The weak. The fearful. He did so to provide them community, hope, courage, strength, care, and charity.
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Post by limey² on Mar 1, 2022 6:33:24 GMT
It was quite a journey to come to my conclusions, so there is no way in a mere post, that I could share them with you.
Faith is powerful. It is worth having in your life, but I do not advocate any particular strategy to get it.
Having lived with, and without it, I can say I was not living up to my potential until I was able to understand it, and harness it.
And that is the question you must ultimately contend with. If you know something can enhance your ability to thrive, and yet you choose to repress it, simply because you cannot find a strategy that works for you, are you doing something intelligent? Unless you can prove that Faith is NOT beneficial to those who have it, then that question demands a resolution.
Freon
I think faith is pretty harmless if you don't let it interfere with your moral dcisionmaking or intellectual curiosity. A bit like having a wierd, or-potentially- weird hobby, you keep to yourself. |
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Post by limey² on Mar 1, 2022 6:35:00 GMT
I greatly respect Freon for his faithfulness and adherence to his religion, even if we differ in the religion that we follow. I didn't mean "poor empty creatures" as an insult, just as a sad statement of fact for atheists.
Atheists believe that there is nothing more than themselves, and unfortunately, "self" is usually a disappointing and flawed deity to worship.
You are mischaracterising atheists, but thank you for clarifying that you spoke out of compassion rather than contempt. |
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Post by limey² on Mar 1, 2022 6:45:02 GMT
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories? Or is religion more like an excuse to pontificate and put on ludicrous airs and graces? “I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis A bottle of Port? Lightweight.... takes the thick end of the second bottle! Actually, Port is one of the most delicious things you can ever taste. I used to work with a Portuguese guy whose grandad had been employed, age 15 until retirement, at Dow's. His retirement present was a barrel, with his name, birthday, and start date. After working there nearly 60 years, this was bottled, the labels just his name & work dates, in 0.5l bottles. I was honoured to share one with Jão. In his cellar was far older Port. Under Windsor Castle, the Sergeants and Officers of the Household Cavalry have Port cellars. Both the Blues and Royals and the Household Cavalry have a retired officer employed as Port Buyer. Each member of the Mess pays a small sum monthly for Port. It is bought and cellared. None is drunk until it's at least 25 years old, so the monthly sum is for future members of the Regiment, maybe not born yet. On normal Mess nights, where I've been a civilian guest (smart dress, Regimental tie), 25 year old Port is served as the Loyal Toast. They can get the 100 year old stuff up for Royal Weddings, 150 year old for dining in a new CO, or stuff from the early 19th Century for the death of the Monarch or a Coronation. I'm told Prince Philip's funeral had them right at the back of this multi-million poundsworth of stock. He was well beloved. Yes, port can make you happy, especially when it has such strong associations with friendship, loyalty and community. It's especially nice with blue Cheshire or Stilton. |
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 1, 2022 7:40:17 GMT
Just a reminder for those who prefer to discussion religion over wine: We do have relgion section just for such airy conversations.
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 13:48:37 GMT
Why would you deride the weak, the unintelligent, the fearful in this way? And for choosing a path that offers them kindness, support, comfort, charity, hope, love, rather than the trashy way you have treated them with your "question"?
Religion is definitely for these people. These people are exactly the folks Jesus sought out. The poor. The sick. The weak. The fearful. He did so to provide them community, hope, courage, strength, care, and charity.
You're very kind.
I try to be. Religious upbringing taught me that...
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 1, 2022 14:20:25 GMT
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories?
These people are exactly the folks Jesus sought out. The poor. The sick. The weak. The fearful. He did so to provide them community, hope, courage, strength, care, and charity.
And then filled them with supernatural nonsense. If it had stopped with your list perhaps religion wouldn't have the reputation for fraudulence as it does.
To be honest, it wasn't Jesus who first filled them with supernatural nonsense.. his offense was taking advantage of the existing belief in supernatural nonsense. It was the centuries of rulers before him seeking dominion over the masses. Religion.. Abrahamic religions primarily.. is first and foremost about manipulation.. about alignment with social norms .. about coercion. "Do this or THIS will happen to you" ..
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 14:27:48 GMT
These people are exactly the folks Jesus sought out. The poor. The sick. The weak. The fearful. He did so to provide them community, hope, courage, strength, care, and charity.
And then filled them with supernatural nonsense. If it had stopped with your list perhaps religion wouldn't have the reputation for fraudulence as it does.
To be honest, it wasn't Jesus who first filled them with supernatural nonsense.. his offense was taking advantage of the existing belief in supernatural nonsense. It was the centuries of rulers before him seeking dominion over the masses. Religion.. Abrahamic religions primarily.. is first and foremost about manipulation.. about alignment with social norms .. about coercion. "Do this or THIS will happen to you" ..
Society is about that. It isn't limited to religion.
And what you call "supernatural nonsense" is the source of the hope, strength, etc. that I described.
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Post by limey² on Mar 1, 2022 14:36:49 GMT
I try to be. Religious upbringing taught me that...
Strange... all the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland had religious upbringings. Maybe a religious upbringing isn't a prerequisite for kindness? |
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 1, 2022 14:39:01 GMT
I try to be. Religious upbringing taught me that...
Strange... all the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland had religious upbringings. Maybe a religious upbringing isn't a prerequisite for kindness?
Well, ya, there are all sorts of paths to kindness. And all sorts of people that ignore those paths even when others try to urge them to stay on them.
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 1, 2022 15:14:19 GMT
Says more about you than I. You'd worship yourself as a last resort. Something tells me it wouldn't even be your last resort in your case. You denial is noted, but not believed. It must be devastating and depressing to you to think that the guy in your mirror is as high as the food chain goes.
Under your belief system, we didn't get very far as a species, did we? I'd have a bad attitude, too, if the shallow narrative of the atheist was the end of the story.
Actually we've come as far as a species as we have in spite of you sanctimonious religious mumpsimus.. Nothing, of our own design, has held back human progress as effectively and perniciously as religion.
Reclaiming your own thoughts, accepting responsibility for your own actions, having a constructive intellectual and moral ethos are anathema to religion.
Despite your delusional generalizations, stereotypical alliterations, and idiotic attempts to exaggerate every anecdotal negative quality about atheism your desiccated and woefully diseased mind can conjure .. there is only one characteristic shared by atheists.. that is that there are no gods.
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Post by freonbale on Mar 1, 2022 15:18:22 GMT
It was quite a journey to come to my conclusions, so there is no way in a mere post, that I could share them with you.
Faith is powerful. It is worth having in your life, but I do not advocate any particular strategy to get it.
Having lived with, and without it, I can say I was not living up to my potential until I was able to understand it, and harness it.
And that is the question you must ultimately contend with. If you know something can enhance your ability to thrive, and yet you choose to repress it, simply because you cannot find a strategy that works for you, are you doing something intelligent? Unless you can prove that Faith is NOT beneficial to those who have it, then that question demands a resolution.
Freon
I think faith is pretty harmless if you don't let it interfere with your moral dcisionmaking or intellectual curiosity. A bit like having a wierd, or-potentially- weird hobby, you keep to yourself. I can hear in your response, that you only associate Faith with religion.
But it is much more pervasive than that. A simple example is self-confidence, Faith in one's self, or viewed in this context, belief that one is able to accomplish and overcome in new, untested circumstances, simply by choosing to see one's self that way. That view of one's self is a choice, based on no evidence, therefore it is Faith. Are you saying self-confidence is 'pretty harmless'?
Faith is MUCH bigger than religion, it is an aspect of our species.
Freon
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