|
|
Post by limey² on Feb 28, 2022 19:16:16 GMT
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories? Or is religion more like an excuse to pontificate and put on ludicrous airs and graces? Actually, atheism is for shallow, weak creatures who fill that void by tormenting, ridiculing and criticizing Christians. It takes no moral courage to remain an empty vessel, nor intellect to persecute those who are religious. Have you noticed that the immoral/amoral hatred and intolerance seems to flow from the atheists, not the Christians?
And you're confused.....pontificating and putting on ludicrous airs and graces is simply called being British.
Your lack of self awareness is depressing. Note, I was merely responding to your unprovoked, foolish jibe at atheists. Then you get all hissy about it, presumably part of your paranoid world view about "persecution", you dozy git. I expect the only British people you've seen are on the goggle box; Downton Castle or whatever. |
|
Odysseus
Legend
Trump = Disaster
Posts: 41,101
|
Post by Odysseus on Feb 28, 2022 19:32:59 GMT
No fallacy here today, just the truth, but it is entertaining to watch an idiot make that false accusation. Perhaps we can christen a new fallacy in Fiddler's honor: "No True Moron" The "No True Moron Fallacy" can be defined as: That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard, but at least it wasn't as bad as some of the sh*t that Fiddler comes up with.
I see you decided to go with a straight up lie rather than another fallacy from your douchebag of tricks.
"Douchebag of tricks" ... Good one!  |
|
Paleocon
Legend
We spent 50 Years fighting the USSR just to become a gay, retarded version of It.
Posts: 7,336
|
Post by Paleocon on Feb 28, 2022 20:14:31 GMT
And only a racist like yourself would assume "boy" means anything but childish and immature.
As you know .. when a racist.. as you've proven yourself to be time and again .. uses the term 'boy' it is to denigrate adult Black men..
It is so ingrained in you that you just can't keep yourself from doing it. You can't help but lie, can you, boy? It's as natural to you as breathing and pissing your diaper.
I call you boy because you are stupidly immature and childish as proven above.
And it's intellectually lazy to call someone racist when you're getting your ass kicked. But you have a good excuse...you're so intellectually lazy that we assume that you're unconscious most of the time.
Anything else, racist boy?
|
|
Paleocon
Legend
We spent 50 Years fighting the USSR just to become a gay, retarded version of It.
Posts: 7,336
|
Post by Paleocon on Feb 28, 2022 20:15:24 GMT
I see you decided to go with a straight up lie rather than another fallacy from your douchebag of tricks.
"Douchebag of tricks" ... Good one! Say the word douchebag and look who comes running. He wasn't calling for you, Useless. Go back to sleep. |
|
|
|
Post by Mercy for All on Feb 28, 2022 20:20:49 GMT
Atheists, poor empty creatures that they are, will grasp at any straw that they can find to bash Christians. No, Putin is not a Christian nor is he a friend to religious liberty, frequently prosecuting and jailing evangelicals. Russia has laws prohibiting free religious expression.
So, Senate candidate Lauren Witzke is stupidly wrong about Putin, as is anyone that pretends that brutal leaders of the past were actually Christian.
Saying Putin is a Christian is as dishonest as saying that Joe Biden is a Christian.
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories? Or is religion more like an excuse to pontificate and put on ludicrous airs and graces? “I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis |
|
Paleocon
Legend
We spent 50 Years fighting the USSR just to become a gay, retarded version of It.
Posts: 7,336
|
Post by Paleocon on Feb 28, 2022 20:26:41 GMT
I would argue it is both of those for some, but neither for others. I am a very religious person, say prayers every single day, have raised my children that way as well, yet do not adhere to either of the interpretations you just mentioned. I am also a trained scientist, and have no conflict between religion and science. Freon This perplexes me. I greatly respect Freon for his faithfulness and adherence to his religion, even if we differ in the religion that we follow. I didn't mean "poor empty creatures" as an insult, just as a sad statement of fact for atheists.
Atheists believe that there is nothing more than themselves, and unfortunately, "self" is usually a disappointing and flawed deity to worship.
|
|
Paleocon
Legend
We spent 50 Years fighting the USSR just to become a gay, retarded version of It.
Posts: 7,336
|
Post by Paleocon on Feb 28, 2022 20:46:06 GMT
Would you agree that religion is for weak creatures, whi don't have the intellect or moral courage to face the mysteries of the world without comforting, but ultimately pointless and trivial, stories? Or is religion more like an excuse to pontificate and put on ludicrous airs and graces? “I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis Mercy, that is one of my favorite quotes. Thank you for sharing it. Here's another: The church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints. - Unknown
And more from C.S. Lewis
“I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” ― C.S. Lewis
And a few for our poor, empty atheist friends: “If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world.” ― C.S. Lewis
“A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.” - C.S. Lewis
“And out of that hopeless attempt has come nearly all that we call human history—money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery—the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.” - C.S. Lewis
|
|
|
|
Post by Mercy for All on Feb 28, 2022 21:10:11 GMT
“I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis Mercy, that is one of my favorite quotes. Thank you for sharing it. Here's another: The church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints. - Unknown
And more from C.S. Lewis
“I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” ― C.S. Lewis
And a few for our poor, empty atheist friends: “If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world.” ― C.S. Lewis
“A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.” - C.S. Lewis
“And out of that hopeless attempt has come nearly all that we call human history—money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery—the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.” - C.S. Lewis
Also this: “God is the only comfort, He is also the supreme terror: the thing we most need and the thing we most want to hide from. He is our only possible ally, and we have made ourselves His enemies. Some people talk as if meeting the gaze of absolute goodness would be fun. They need to think again. They are still only playing with religion. Goodness is either the great safety or the great danger - according to the way you react to it. And we have reacted the wrong way.” - C.S. Lewis Lewis flips on its head the claims of Freud and Feuerbach that the idea of "God" is some imaginary manifestation of human wishful thinking. |
|
|
|
Post by Fiddler on Feb 28, 2022 21:33:05 GMT
As you know .. when a racist.. as you've proven yourself to be time and again .. uses the term 'boy' it is to denigrate adult Black men..
It is so ingrained in you that you just can't keep yourself from doing it. You can't help but lie, can you, boy? It's as natural to you as breathing and pissing your diaper.
I call you boy because you are stupidly immature and childish as proven above.
And it's intellectually lazy to call someone racist when you're getting your ass kicked. But you have a good excuse...you're so intellectually lazy that we assume that you're unconscious most of the time.
Anything else, racist boy?
There's no lie.. Ask any honest person on LNF and they'll tell you the same.. You're a racist fuck.. And you have never NEVER kicked my ass .. I, on the other hand, routinely pound your sorry ass into the ground with the one thing your alternate reality can never defend against .. Facts..
And I'm still not Black so your inbred racist attacks are as ineffective as your teachers were ..
|
|
|
|
Post by Fiddler on Feb 28, 2022 21:41:01 GMT
Mercy, that is one of my favorite quotes. Thank you for sharing it. Here's another: The church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints. - Unknown
And more from C.S. Lewis
“I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” ― C.S. Lewis
And a few for our poor, empty atheist friends: “If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world.” ― C.S. Lewis
“A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.” - C.S. Lewis
“And out of that hopeless attempt has come nearly all that we call human history—money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery—the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.” - C.S. Lewis
Lewis flips on its head the claims of Freud and Feuerbach that the idea of "God" is some imaginary manifestation of human wishful thinking.
And yet "Faith" is the only evidence there is for the existence of a god ...
|
|
|
|
Post by oldtrapper on Feb 28, 2022 21:56:23 GMT
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." L. Annaeus Seneca (attributed, but probably E. Gibbon) Atheists, poor empty creatures that they are, will grasp at any straw that they can find to bash Christians. No, Putin is not a Christian nor is he a friend to religious liberty, frequently prosecuting and jailing evangelicals. Russia has laws prohibiting free religious expression.
So, Senate candidate Lauren Witzke is stupidly wrong about Putin, as is anyone that pretends that brutal leaders of the past were actually Christian.
Saying Putin is a Christian is as dishonest as saying that Joe Biden is a Christian.
You claiming to be a Christian is as dishonest as it was when Christ addressed the issue.
John 8: 39-47
"They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
|
|
freonbale
Legend
Awesome.
Posts: 22,632
Member is Online
|
Post by freonbale on Feb 28, 2022 22:00:30 GMT
I would argue it is both of those for some, but neither for others. I am a very religious person, say prayers every single day, have raised my children that way as well, yet do not adhere to either of the interpretations you just mentioned. I am also a trained scientist, and have no conflict between religion and science. Freon This perplexes me. It was quite a journey to come to my conclusions, so there is no way in a mere post, that I could share them with you.
Faith is powerful. It is worth having in your life, but I do not advocate any particular strategy to get it.
Having lived with, and without it, I can say I was not living up to my potential until I was able to understand it, and harness it.
And that is the question you must ultimately contend with. If you know something can enhance your ability to thrive, and yet you choose to repress it, simply because you cannot find a strategy that works for you, are you doing something intelligent? Unless you can prove that Faith is NOT beneficial to those who have it, then that question demands a resolution.
Freon
|
|
|
|
Post by Mercy for All on Feb 28, 2022 22:13:45 GMT
Lewis flips on its head the claims of Freud and Feuerbach that the idea of "God" is some imaginary manifestation of human wishful thinking.
And yet "Faith" is the only evidence there is for the existence of a god ...
Nope, that's not true. Most people, by "evidence" though, mean "what will convince me" without any inclination or desire to be convinced, a desire which has nothing to do with evidence. Others are more a little more honest, but insist on setting materialistic parameters on what they consider "evidence," such that they believe they could subject God to some kind of materialistic measures (like a Sims character insisting that the programmer of the game be measureable by the parameters of the software or "he/she doesn't exist"). |
|
|
|
Post by atreyu on Feb 28, 2022 22:25:41 GMT
Dated, but this one is emblematic of today's GOP has become...or, When Harry met Batshit:
Makes sense to me, he acts just like a Christian.
|
|
|
|
Post by atreyu on Feb 28, 2022 22:26:56 GMT
I greatly respect Freon for his faithfulness and adherence to his religion, even if we differ in the religion that we follow. I didn't mean "poor empty creatures" as an insult, just as a sad statement of fact for atheists.
Atheists believe that there is nothing more than themselves, and unfortunately, "self" is usually a disappointing and flawed deity to worship.
Why would you worship yourself sicko?
|
|
|
|
Post by atreyu on Feb 28, 2022 22:28:25 GMT
And yet "Faith" is the only evidence there is for the existence of a god ...
Nope, that's not true. Most people, by "evidence" though, mean "what will convince me" without any inclination or desire to be convinced, a desire which has nothing to do with evidence. Others are more a little more honest, but insist on setting materialistic parameters on what they consider "evidence," such that they believe they could subject God to some kind of materialistic measures (like a Sims character insisting that the programmer of the game be measureable by the parameters of the software or "he/she doesn't exist").
If that's true and if you can show me evidence I'll start thinking there is a god. Unfortunately every religion claims this and none of them can show the goods. Plus they've already proven your evidence as false.
|
|
Paleocon
Legend
We spent 50 Years fighting the USSR just to become a gay, retarded version of It.
Posts: 7,336
|
Post by Paleocon on Mar 1, 2022 0:31:11 GMT
You can't help but lie, can you, boy? It's as natural to you as breathing and pissing your diaper.
I call you boy because you are stupidly immature and childish as proven above.
And it's intellectually lazy to call someone racist when you're getting your ass kicked. But you have a good excuse...you're so intellectually lazy that we assume that you're unconscious most of the time.
Anything else, racist boy?
There's no lie.. Ask any honest person on LNF and they'll tell you the same.. You're a racist fuck.. And you have never NEVER kicked my ass .. I, on the other hand, routinely pound your sorry ass into the ground with the one thing your alternate reality can never defend against .. Facts..
And I'm still not Black so your inbred racist attacks are as ineffective as your teachers were ..
From you, there is no truth and that's why your alleged facts must always be doubted until they can be verified from another source. If I were to search out an honest person here, you would not be consulted.
No, I'm not a racist and never have been. Calling me one is a weak minded lie that stupid liberals turn to when they lose.....and you always lose.
No one ever thought you were black, no one here doubted that you were not black. All of which makes your idiotic assumption of some racial meaning in the word "boy" used by one white fellow to another to be all the more ridiculous. Only a racist would have made the leap that you made.
Anything else, racist boy? |
|
Paleocon
Legend
We spent 50 Years fighting the USSR just to become a gay, retarded version of It.
Posts: 7,336
|
Post by Paleocon on Mar 1, 2022 0:45:50 GMT
Atheists, poor empty creatures that they are, will grasp at any straw that they can find to bash Christians. No, Putin is not a Christian nor is he a friend to religious liberty, frequently prosecuting and jailing evangelicals. Russia has laws prohibiting free religious expression.
So, Senate candidate Lauren Witzke is stupidly wrong about Putin, as is anyone that pretends that brutal leaders of the past were actually Christian.
Saying Putin is a Christian is as dishonest as saying that Joe Biden is a Christian.
You claiming to be a Christian is as dishonest as it was when Christ addressed the issue.
John 8: 39-47
"They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
It's sad that you pretend to be a Christian while judging those of us who are Christian. I will pray for you because you are yoked with the atheists and the killers of the unborn:
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.” - 2 Corinthians 6:14-18
And these are especially for you and your hateful vitriol, oldtrapper:
If a person thinks that he is religious but can’t control his tongue, he is fooling himself. That person’s religion is worthless. James 1:26
Those who say that they are in the light but hate other believers are still in the dark. 1 John 2:9
God knew the atheists would be ascendant:
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
|
|
Paleocon
Legend
We spent 50 Years fighting the USSR just to become a gay, retarded version of It.
Posts: 7,336
|
Post by Paleocon on Mar 1, 2022 0:46:59 GMT
I greatly respect Freon for his faithfulness and adherence to his religion, even if we differ in the religion that we follow. I didn't mean "poor empty creatures" as an insult, just as a sad statement of fact for atheists.
Atheists believe that there is nothing more than themselves, and unfortunately, "self" is usually a disappointing and flawed deity to worship.
Why would you worship yourself sicko? Atheist, that's a question for you, not me. I don't worship self, but that's all you have left to worship. |
|
|
|
Post by oldtrapper on Mar 1, 2022 1:27:06 GMT
You claiming to be a Christian is as dishonest as it was when Christ addressed the issue.
John 8: 39-47
"They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
It's sad that you pretend to be a Christian while judging those of us who are Christian. I will pray for you because you are yoked with the atheists and the killers of the unborn:
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.” - 2 Corinthians 6:14-18
And these are especially for you and your hateful vitriol, oldtrapper:
If a person thinks that he is religious but can’t control his tongue, he is fooling himself. That person’s religion is worthless. James 1:26
Those who say that they are in the light but hate other believers are still in the dark. 1 John 2:9
God knew the atheists would be ascendant:
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Is that anything like liars such as yourself judging (an act you claim one should not do) Joe Biden, or is it reserved for lowlifes like yourself? Then too, well did the Prophets speak of your kind in warnings such as we find in Ezekial (Watchman on the Wall), or in Jeremiah 5: 21 "Hear now this oh foolish people, and without understanding, which have eyes and see not, which have ears and hear not" . You support, and defend liars, thieves, and cowards, yet feel you can judge me with even more lies such as your phony use of scripture you do not even have the knowledge to understand? And how do you claim to be "the temple of the living God" when you defile even the basic teachings of God the Father, and the Body of Christ? You are a liar, and worse then a pagan, and no man can change that E.G. "III. WE BELIEVE how we treat the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the stranger, the sick, and the prisoner is how we treat Christ himself. (Matthew 25: 31-46) “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.” God calls us to protect and seek justice for those who are poor and vulnerable, and our treatment of people who are “oppressed,” “strangers,” “outsiders,” or otherwise considered “marginal” is a test of our relationship to God, who made us all equal in divine dignity and love. Our proclamation of the lordship of Jesus Christ is at stake in our solidarity with the most vulnerable. If our gospel is not “good news to the poor,” it is not the gospel of Jesus Christ (Luke 4:18). THEREFORE, WE REJECT the language and policies of political leaders who would debase and abandon the most vulnerable children of God. We strongly deplore the growing attacks on immigrants and refugees, who are being made into cultural and political targets, and we need to remind our churches that God makes the treatment of the “strangers” among us a test of faith (Leviticus 19:33-34). We won’t accept the neglect of the well-being of low-income families and children, and we will resist repeated attempts to deny health care to those who most need it. We confess our growing national sin of putting the rich over the poor. We reject the immoral logic of cutting services and programs for the poor while cutting taxes for the rich. Budgets are moral documents. We commit ourselves to opposing and reversing those policies and finding solutions that reflect the wisdom of people from different political parties and philosophies to seek the common good. Protecting the poor is a central commitment of Christian discipleship, to which 2,000 verses in the Bible attest."
|
|
