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Post by Odysseus on Jun 23, 2020 1:43:19 GMT
You advocate registration to ensure accountability?! That sounds like "posting suppression!" Maybe this should be a forum without walls (registration walls).
Maybe you should go create such a forum yourself. I can pretty much guarantee I won't join you.
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Post by jasmine on Jun 23, 2020 3:00:28 GMT
If you need a color in front of it YOU'RE THE RACIST.
If you don't understand the purpose behind saying "Black Lives Matter" .. YOU'RE AN IDIOT ...
But since we already know that.. Point out someone saying that All Lives Don't Matter ...
*Raises hand* i have said from the start that not all black lives matter. Not all white lives matter. Not all lives matter. The mass murderer who slaughtered dozens of people...does his life matter? The KKK leader who burned a black guy alive...does his life matter? Did Bin Laden’s life matter? Adolph Hitler’s? Not all lives matter.
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 23, 2020 3:01:56 GMT
If you don't understand the purpose behind saying "Black Lives Matter" .. YOU'RE AN IDIOT ...
But since we already know that.. Point out someone saying that All Lives Don't Matter ...
*Raises hand* i have said from the start that not all black lives matter. Not all white lives matter. Not all lives matter. The mass murderer who slaughtered dozens of people...does his life matter? The KKK leader who burned a black guy alive...does his life matter? Did Bin Laden’s life matter? Adolph Hitler’s? Not all lives matter. The slogan isn't "All Black Lives Matter". The slogan is "Black Lives Matter". Racists have tried to twist that into "All Lives Matter".
If that's what you have a glimmer of a problem with, congratulations.
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Post by jasmine on Jun 23, 2020 3:04:14 GMT
*Raises hand* i have said from the start that not all black lives matter. Not all white lives matter. Not all lives matter. The mass murderer who slaughtered dozens of people...does his life matter? The KKK leader who burned a black guy alive...does his life matter? Did Bin Laden’s life matter? Adolph Hitler’s? Not all lives matter. Gosh, Jasmine still doesn't get it.
Big Surprise.
So. We meet again.
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 23, 2020 3:06:00 GMT
Gosh, Jasmine still doesn't get it.
Big Surprise.
So. We meet again.
On quick reflection, I changed my response to you. I revised it to:
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Post by RWB on Jun 23, 2020 3:48:14 GMT
Gosh, Jasmine still doesn't get it.
Big Surprise.
So. We meet again. Yup some things change and some things never change like Ulysses still being a fruit booty
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 23, 2020 4:44:25 GMT
So. We meet again. Yup some things change and some things never change like Ulysses still being a fruit booty And you never stopped being a sadistic Nazi moron closet case.
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Post by Fiddler on Jun 23, 2020 12:54:01 GMT
If you don't understand the purpose behind saying "Black Lives Matter" .. YOU'RE AN IDIOT ...
But since we already know that.. Point out someone saying that All Lives Don't Matter ...
*Raises hand* i have said from the start that not all black lives matter. Not all white lives matter. Not all lives matter. The mass murderer who slaughtered dozens of people...does his life matter? The KKK leader who burned a black guy alive...does his life matter? Did Bin Laden’s life matter? Adolph Hitler’s? Not all lives matter.
I tend to agree but that's still not the point ..
BTW . Good to see you back ...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 13:25:07 GMT
All this talk about black on black crime is so eye roll worthy. Way to miss the point. No, you have missed the point. Based on the bloody mess that blacks have made of their own culture, the troupe "Black Lives Matter" is a joke, especially when they ignore the much more epidemic black on black crime, the extreme rate of overall black crime (which is why they have more violent interactions with police) and the 300k innocent black babies aborted every year.
You leftists scream about inclusiveness and diversity, but can't even include all lives in your slogan. Unity and bipartisan support be damned, we are either forced to say "black lives matter" or be subject to personal cancellation!
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Post by limey² on Jun 23, 2020 13:30:44 GMT
What bullshit foisted by the racists on board.
1) The US Constitution does NOT say "all men are created equal". That's in Jefferson's Declaration of Independence.
2) That the assertion that all men are equal was pointedly left out of the Constitution in order to gain acceptance for independence from the slave holding Southern states.
3) It took a bloody civil war finally to make slavery illegal across the land.
4) Yet for some 155 years all Americans have NOT been treated equally. There's the sad legacy of Jim Crow and a whole litany of ways that non-white Americans have been actively discriminated against, both by government and by private entities.
5) Saying "all are equal" clearly has not prevented this inequity.
6) Saying "Black Lives Matter" highlights that inequity in a way that focuses attention on it and pushes to end it once and for all.
7) Those who don't get the above are hopelessly ignorant racists who should be ashamed of themselves - if they have any shame.
Regarding point (7). Can I suugest that it may not always be racism? Stupidity would work as an explanation too.
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Post by Fiddler on Jun 23, 2020 13:44:51 GMT
What bullshit foisted by the racists on board.
1) The US Constitution does NOT say "all men are created equal". That's in Jefferson's Declaration of Independence.
2) That the assertion that all men are equal was pointedly left out of the Constitution in order to gain acceptance for independence from the slave holding Southern states.
3) It took a bloody civil war finally to make slavery illegal across the land.
4) Yet for some 155 years all Americans have NOT been treated equally. There's the sad legacy of Jim Crow and a whole litany of ways that non-white Americans have been actively discriminated against, both by government and by private entities.
5) Saying "all are equal" clearly has not prevented this inequity.
6) Saying "Black Lives Matter" highlights that inequity in a way that focuses attention on it and pushes to end it once and for all.
7) Those who don't get the above are hopelessly ignorant racists who should be ashamed of themselves - if they have any shame.
Regarding point (7). Can I suugest that it may not always be racism? Stupidity would work as an explanation too.
Indeed.. Hanlon's Razor ... . Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:22:24 GMT
All this talk about black on black crime is so eye roll worthy. Way to miss the point. No, you have missed the point. Based on the bloody mess that blacks have made of their own culture, the troupe "Black Lives Matter" is a joke, especially when they ignore the much more epidemic black on black crime, the extreme rate of overall black crime (which is why they have more violent interactions with police) and the 300k innocent black babies aborted every year.
You leftists scream about inclusiveness and diversity, but can't even include all lives in your slogan. Unity and bipartisan support be damned, we are either forced to say "black lives matter" or be subject to personal cancellation!
I don't see anything here worth responding to but I will double down on my point. People who talk about black on black crime in the middle of this conversation about the police are simply without a clue. Its mere whataboutery and can be dismissed as such.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:42:25 GMT
No, you have missed the point. Based on the bloody mess that blacks have made of their own culture, the troupe "Black Lives Matter" is a joke, especially when they ignore the much more epidemic black on black crime, the extreme rate of overall black crime (which is why they have more violent interactions with police) and the 300k innocent black babies aborted every year.
You leftists scream about inclusiveness and diversity, but can't even include all lives in your slogan. Unity and bipartisan support be damned, we are either forced to say "black lives matter" or be subject to personal cancellation!
I don't see anything here worth responding to but I will double down on my point. People who talk about black on black crime in the middle of this conversation about the police are simply without a clue. Its mere whataboutery and can be dismissed as such. I go back to what I posted earlier. This "What about...?" is the same tactic the left used/uses about abortion. ABORTION Pro-lifers: Aborting an unborn child is murder! Pro-choicers: Oh yeah? What about the child after it's born? What about children living in poverty? You pro-lifers never care about their lives do you? SYSTEMIC RACISM: Black Americans: Black lives matter! The state is killing us and nobody cares! White conservatives: Oh yeah? All lives matter! Besides, what about black citizens killing black citizens? You black lives matter people never care about their lives, do you? It's the exact same tactic: 1. Refuse to listen. 2. Conflate all sub issues together into one big issue. 3. Accuse the opposition of being a hypocrite for focusing on a sub-issue instead of your arbitrarily created big issue, using the imperfect name of the opposition as evidence of their hypocrisy. 4. Feel justified in refusing to pay any more attention to the opposition. This is called spin. You (not you personally, TL) can do it if you want, but don't kid yourself that you're "debating" or "discussing" anything. You're spinning, nothing more. And you're doing it because it's much easier than discussing, debating or even thinking and you are too afraid, too lazy or too unskilled to do any of those actions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:50:33 GMT
I don't see anything here worth responding to but I will double down on my point. People who talk about black on black crime in the middle of this conversation about the police are simply without a clue. Its mere whataboutery and can be dismissed as such. I go back to what I posted earlier. This "What about...?" is the same tactic the left used/uses about abortion. ABORTION Pro-lifers: Aborting an unborn child is murder! Pro-choicers: Oh yeah? What about the child after it's born? What about children living in poverty? You pro-lifers never care about their lives do you? SYSTEMIC RACISM: Black Americans: Black lives matter! The state is killing us and nobody cares! White conservatives: Of yeah? All lives matter! Besides, what about black citizens killing black citizens? You black lives matter people never care about their lives, do you? It's the exact same tactic: 1. Refuse to listen. 2. Conflate all sub issues together into one big issue. 3. Accuse the opposition of being a hypocrite for focusing on a sub-issue instead of your arbitrarily created big issue, using the imperfect name of the opposition as evidence of their hypocrisy. 4. Feel justified in refusing to pay any more attention to the opposition. That captures it well. That's the tactic. But I don't even think these folks know they are doing this. Perhaps this is a strategy to reduce cognitive dissonance, or a way of satiating the ego in the face of some uncomfortable truths. Kinda like touching your thumb and ring fingers together can reduce anxiety.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:52:20 GMT
I go back to what I posted earlier. This "What about...?" is the same tactic the left used/uses about abortion. ABORTION Pro-lifers: Aborting an unborn child is murder! Pro-choicers: Oh yeah? What about the child after it's born? What about children living in poverty? You pro-lifers never care about their lives do you? SYSTEMIC RACISM: Black Americans: Black lives matter! The state is killing us and nobody cares! White conservatives: Of yeah? All lives matter! Besides, what about black citizens killing black citizens? You black lives matter people never care about their lives, do you? It's the exact same tactic: 1. Refuse to listen. 2. Conflate all sub issues together into one big issue. 3. Accuse the opposition of being a hypocrite for focusing on a sub-issue instead of your arbitrarily created big issue, using the imperfect name of the opposition as evidence of their hypocrisy. 4. Feel justified in refusing to pay any more attention to the opposition. That captures it well. That's the tactic. But I don't even think these folks know they are doing this. Perhaps this is a strategy to reduce cognitive dissonance, or a way of satiating the ego in the face of some uncomfortable truths. Kinda like touching your thumb and ring fingers together can reduce anxiety. Yes, I actually was adding to my post while you responded. Reducing cognitive dissonance is what I was going for. You said it much simpler than I did!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:06:04 GMT
That captures it well. That's the tactic. But I don't even think these folks know they are doing this. Perhaps this is a strategy to reduce cognitive dissonance, or a way of satiating the ego in the face of some uncomfortable truths. Kinda like touching your thumb and ring fingers together can reduce anxiety. Yes, I actually was adding to my post while you responded. Reducing cognitive dissonance is what I was going for. You said it much simpler than I did! Well you know me... Mr. Simple and Succinct. lol I do believe the breakdown you've given us here is helpful. We can refer back to it in the future. Might be useful to have a snappy name for it. Occam has his razor. Murphy has his law. Perhaps this could be dubbed "Maestro's Binkie." "Old man yelling at clouds got real close to a new understanding, but Maestro's Binkie kept it just out of his grasp."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:23:06 GMT
Yes, I actually was adding to my post while you responded. Reducing cognitive dissonance is what I was going for. You said it much simpler than I did! Well you know me... Mr. Simple and Succinct. lol I do believe the breakdown you've given us here is helpful. We can refer back to it in the future. Might be useful to have a snappy name for it. Occam has his razor. Murphy has his law. Perhaps this could be dubbed "Maestro's Binkie." "Old man yelling at clouds got real close to a new understanding, but Maestro's Binkie kept it just out of his grasp." HAHAHA! Love it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:43:46 GMT
No, you have missed the point. Based on the bloody mess that blacks have made of their own culture, the troupe "Black Lives Matter" is a joke, especially when they ignore the much more epidemic black on black crime, the extreme rate of overall black crime (which is why they have more violent interactions with police) and the 300k innocent black babies aborted every year.
You leftists scream about inclusiveness and diversity, but can't even include all lives in your slogan. Unity and bipartisan support be damned, we are either forced to say "black lives matter" or be subject to personal cancellation!
I don't see anything here worth responding to but I will double down on my point. People who talk about black on black crime in the middle of this conversation about the police are simply without a clue. Its mere whataboutery and can be dismissed as such. Dismissing my salient points while demanding that the scope of the discussion be improperly limited so as to exclude those damning arguments are very poor debating tactics. It's certainly not "whataboutery" when the epidemic black on black violence is DIRECTLY related to the high frequency of police interactions. Last time I checked, the phrase "black lives matter" doesn't have a qualifier attached to it that limits the scope to "only if the police are involved".
Once again, I'm interested in looking at the whole story and the whole truth; one can't separate the effect of the black crime rate when discussing these police issues. The number of police shootings of unarmed black men is minuscule compared to other violent death causes in the black community. Do those lives also matter? Politically, it appears not.
The real reason that you leftists want us to be quiet about other black lives lost is because the majority of violent black deaths can't be blamed on anyone else but the black community itself.
You can keep those blinders on if you like, but I'm not going to join you in pretending that you can see the whole picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:45:51 GMT
I don't see anything here worth responding to but I will double down on my point. People who talk about black on black crime in the middle of this conversation about the police are simply without a clue. Its mere whataboutery and can be dismissed as such. Dismissing my salient points while demanding that the scope of the discussion be improperly limited so as to exclude those damning arguments are very poor debating tactics. It's certainly not "whataboutery" when the epidemic black on black violence is DIRECTLY related to the high frequency of police interactions. Last time I checked, the phrase "black lives matter" doesn't have a qualifier attached to it that limits the scope to "only if the police are involved".
Once again, I'm interested in looking at the whole story and the whole truth; one can't separate the effect of the black crime rate when discussing these police issues. The number of police shootings of unarmed black men is minuscule compared to other violent death causes in the black community. Do those lives also matter? Politically, it appears not.
The real reason that you leftists want us to be quiet about other black lives lost is because the majority of violent black deaths can't be blamed on anyone else but the black community itself.
You can keep those blinders on if you like, but I'm not going to join you in pretending that you can see the whole picture.
I'm ready and able to discuss those points and more but you don't seem to have any interest in discussing the problems with the police. You want to kick up dirt and muddy the water with whataboutery. You are merely shedding crocodile tears about black on black crime. Its obvious.
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 23, 2020 17:21:09 GMT
What bullshit foisted by the racists on board.
1) The US Constitution does NOT say "all men are created equal". That's in Jefferson's Declaration of Independence.
2) That the assertion that all men are equal was pointedly left out of the Constitution in order to gain acceptance for independence from the slave holding Southern states.
3) It took a bloody civil war finally to make slavery illegal across the land.
4) Yet for some 155 years all Americans have NOT been treated equally. There's the sad legacy of Jim Crow and a whole litany of ways that non-white Americans have been actively discriminated against, both by government and by private entities.
5) Saying "all are equal" clearly has not prevented this inequity.
6) Saying "Black Lives Matter" highlights that inequity in a way that focuses attention on it and pushes to end it once and for all.
7) Those who don't get the above are hopelessly ignorant racists who should be ashamed of themselves - if they have any shame.
Regarding point (7). Can I suugest that it may not always be racism? Stupidity would work as an explanation too. That, too.
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