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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 14, 2021 0:58:05 GMT
Thoughts on this quote? (Quote adjusted to make a point, and source temporarily withheld for the same reason):
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 15, 2021 17:25:19 GMT
Okay, no takers. It's about science, not religion. Here's the original quote:
Newbigin, Lesslie. The Gospel in a Pluralist Society (pp. 66-67). Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.. Kindle Edition.
Thoughts?
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Post by bama beau on Sept 16, 2021 5:29:28 GMT
Laws are laws. Science evolved from something, and religion is the likely culprit.
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 16, 2021 12:16:12 GMT
Laws are laws. Science evolved from something, and religion is the likely culprit. Some would argue that, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 10:15:47 GMT
One of the hardest tasks in the world is to keep science from becoming polluted and corrupted by snake oil peddlers and all sorts of whackos. This demands some reviewing and rejecting of wayward theories. It may slow down the progress of science a little but at the same time, it protects it from uselessness.
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Post by Running Deer on Sept 22, 2021 23:01:47 GMT
This is a very perceptive account of how knowledge is actually produced. Was he preaching to post-modernists?
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Post by bama beau on Sept 23, 2021 7:01:29 GMT
One of the hardest tasks in the world is to keep science from becoming polluted and corrupted by snake oil peddlers and all sorts of whackos. This demands some reviewing and rejecting of wayward theories. It may slow down the progress of science a little but at the same time, it protects it from uselessness. Have you at all been concerned by the percentage of Americans who have recently disclaimed science? Or do you wonder if many of those people had previously disclaimed it without your knowledge?
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Post by bama beau on Sept 23, 2021 7:14:51 GMT
This is a very perceptive account of how knowledge is actually produced. Was he preaching to post-modernists? What it describes is a competition among intellectuals, with due respect of previously proven science being given. To the extent that such is post-modernism, I really can't say. It does seem reactionary, but at any given moment, what doesn't?
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 23, 2021 21:09:55 GMT
This is a very perceptive account of how knowledge is actually produced. Was he preaching to post-modernists? The book was published in 1989 and he died in 1998, so...perhaps? He had the benefit of intimately experiencing a very different culture (India) for a number of years, and used that lens to appraise the culture of his origin.
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Post by Mercy for All on Sept 23, 2021 21:14:37 GMT
This is a very perceptive account of how knowledge is actually produced. Was he preaching to post-modernists? What it describes is a competition among intellectuals, with due respect of previously proven science being given. To the extent that such is post-modernism, I really can't say. It does seem reactionary, but at any given moment, what doesn't? Examples include the Copernican revolution, Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics. Also, a lesser known challenge to scientific orthodoxy (which makes it an interesting example, by virtue of being less known) is magnetohydrodynamics. Hannes Alfvén's theories were originally dismissed but he later received the 1970 Nobel Prize in physics for his work in plasma dynamics. Now, of course, his work has been absorbed into that authoritative body of knowledge we call "science."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 20:06:18 GMT
What it describes is a competition among intellectuals, with due respect of previously proven science being given. To the extent that such is post-modernism, I really can't say. It does seem reactionary, but at any given moment, what doesn't? Examples include the Copernican revolution, Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics. Also, a lesser known challenge to scientific orthodoxy (which makes it an interesting example, by virtue of being less known) is magnetohydrodynamics. Hannes Alfvén's theories were originally dismissed but he later received the 1970 Nobel Prize in physics for his work in plasma dynamics. Now, of course, his work has been absorbed into that authoritative body of knowledge we call "science." Wow, "we call " and then you put science between quotes! That's a bit harsh, don't you think?
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Post by Running Deer on Oct 1, 2021 0:37:55 GMT
This is a very perceptive account of how knowledge is actually produced. Was he preaching to post-modernists? What it describes is a competition among intellectuals, with due respect of previously proven science being given. Science is never proven. Proof is for math and logic. Science is about building more useful explanations of reality. What he is talking about is how new knowledge is created, and how that is incorporated into an existing body of knowledge. As we know, people do not believe in the best explanation simply because it is the best. Put more pithily, people don't necessarily believe what's true. Scientists tend to be more open-minded than the average person, but there's still a process of coming to understand new scientific knowledge and to accept it as the best explanation. Newbigin is explaining how that process actually works. Scientific institutions and culture have power relations like just about everything else. It's not inherently reactionary to explore them; in fact, it's often a prelude to reforming or abolishing them.
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Post by Mercy for All on Oct 1, 2021 1:33:06 GMT
What it describes is a competition among intellectuals, with due respect of previously proven science being given. Science is never proven. Proof is for math and logic. Science is about building more useful explanations of reality. What he is talking about is how new knowledge is created, and how that is incorporated into an existing body of knowledge. As we know, people do not believe in the best explanation simply because it is the best. Put more pithily, people don't necessarily believe what's true. Scientists tend to be more open-minded than the average person, but there's still a process of coming to understand new scientific knowledge and to accept it as the best explanation. Newbigin is explaining how that process actually works. And the scientific method has worked really well to counter "common sense" in discovering, testing, and verifying things that are completely counter-intuitive, by building on this body of authoritative knowledge and challenging the fringes and gaps where theories that are "mostly true" don't work.
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