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Post by freonbale on Jul 31, 2020 16:27:03 GMT
I was listening to the radio a little earlier, and the topic was renters getting assistance to compensate for their inability to pay rent due to COVID-19 job loss/reduction.
The conversation also talked about the landlords getting mortgage deferments from the banks.
When I think of who can tolerate the loss of money the most, it is the banks, whose profits are massive, and consistent, regardless of times of feast or famine.
But this line of thinking made me question how a conservative would view any of this assistance.
For years, I have heard conservatives opposition to 'handouts', and yet right now, those handouts are the only thing keeping millions of Americans in their homes and fed.
So my question is how do you feel about these handouts, and are any of you getting any of them?
Thanks,
Freon
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Post by bama beau on Jul 31, 2020 17:32:49 GMT
"Handouts" is a word too often being used by those who actually benefit by
governmental, institutional, financial and/or societal largesse to describe
and denigrate the benefits rightly claimed and due to those who do most of
working, spending, living and dying in this society. It is much like the word
"entitlements" in that regard. So, of course I am in favor of those who pay
rent receiving whatever assistance necessary so that they are not kicked out
into the streets, especially when their inability to pay is through no fault
of their own. Now, do I wish that those receiving that largesse would at least
stop voting against their own best interests, thus helping to stop the cycle of
crisis after crisis that those liars and thieves whom they believe and support
perpetuate so as to keep those renters at a permanent disadvantage? Of course I do.
But that appears to be too much to hope or ask for.
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Post by freonbale on Jul 31, 2020 18:23:37 GMT
"Handouts" is a word too often being used by those who actually benefit by governmental, institutional, financial and/or societal largesse to describe and denigrate the benefits rightly claimed and due to those who do most of working, spending, living and dying in this society. It is much like the word "entitlements" in that regard. So, of course I am in favor of those who pay rent receiving whatever assistance necessary so that they are not kicked out into the streets, especially when their inability to pay is through no fault of their own. Now, do I wish that those receiving that largesse would at least stop voting against their own best interests, thus helping to stop the cycle of crisis after crisis that those liars and thieves whom they believe and support perpetuate so as to keep those renters at a permanent disadvantage? Of course I do. But that appears to be too much to hope or ask for. First off, thanks for responding.
So if I am hearing correctly, you are saying that since we pay into the system, the system should protect us (at least financially) in times of need, like now.
But that those same people who are benefiting, seem to you, to vote for a side of the spectrum (liberal?) that you are saying hurts them?
Freon
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Post by bama beau on Jul 31, 2020 19:34:15 GMT
"Handouts" is a word too often being used by those who actually benefit by governmental, institutional, financial and/or societal largesse to describe and denigrate the benefits rightly claimed and due to those who do most of working, spending, living and dying in this society. It is much like the word "entitlements" in that regard. So, of course I am in favor of those who pay rent receiving whatever assistance necessary so that they are not kicked out into the streets, especially when their inability to pay is through no fault of their own. Now, do I wish that those receiving that largesse would at least stop voting against their own best interests, thus helping to stop the cycle of crisis after crisis that those liars and thieves whom they believe and support perpetuate so as to keep those renters at a permanent disadvantage? Of course I do. But that appears to be too much to hope or ask for. First off, thanks for responding.
So if I am hearing correctly, you are saying that since we pay into the system, the system should protect us (at least financially) in times of need, like now.
But that those same people who are benefiting, seem to you, to vote for a side of the spectrum (liberal?) that you are saying hurts them?
Freon
My pleasure. I'm saying that although we are all in this together, certain people benefit much more than do others, and all too often that is because 1) those with power, money and influence take what they want no matter the cost or the impact, thinking that is their right or due, and 2) those from whom the rich and powerful take all too often fall for the tricks of those who would prey on them, thereby making themselves convenient targets. Thus, the "handout" and "entitlement" narratives are contrived to enforce and perpetuate that state of affairs more to benefit those powerful individuals at the top than those at the bottom. |
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Post by freonbale on Jul 31, 2020 19:37:49 GMT
First off, thanks for responding.
So if I am hearing correctly, you are saying that since we pay into the system, the system should protect us (at least financially) in times of need, like now.
But that those same people who are benefiting, seem to you, to vote for a side of the spectrum (liberal?) that you are saying hurts them?
Freon
My pleasure. I'm saying that although we are all in this together, certain people benefit much more than do others, and all too often that is because 1) those with power, money and influence take what they want no matter the cost or the impact, thinking that is their right or due, and 2) those from whom the rich and powerful take all too often fall for the tricks off those who would prey on them, thereby making themselves convenient targets. Thus, the "handout" and "entitlement" narratives are contrived to enforce and perpetuate that state of affairs more to benefit those powerful individuals at the top than those at the bottom. Ok, I get ya' now.
And I agree.
Not a conservative view, though. Or am I missing something?
Freon
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Post by bama beau on Jul 31, 2020 22:20:38 GMT
My pleasure. I'm saying that although we are all in this together, certain people benefit much more than do others, and all too often that is because 1) those with power, money and influence take what they want no matter the cost or the impact, thinking that is their right or due, and 2) those from whom the rich and powerful take all too often fall for the tricks off those who would prey on them, thereby making themselves convenient targets. Thus, the "handout" and "entitlement" narratives are contrived to enforce and perpetuate that state of affairs more to benefit those powerful individuals at the top than those at the bottom. Ok, I get ya' now.
And I agree.
Not a conservative view, though. Or am I missing something?
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Aug 1, 2020 3:46:00 GMT
Ok, I get ya' now.
And I agree.
Not a conservative view, though. Or am I missing something?
Freon
More Progressive than conservative to be sure. I apologize if I am not making myself clear. Just making sure. I really wanted to know the conservative point of view, but I appreciate yours.
Freon
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Post by bama beau on Aug 1, 2020 6:06:17 GMT
More Progressive than conservative to be sure. I apologize if I am not making myself clear. Just making sure. I really wanted to know the conservative point of view, but I appreciate yours.
Freon
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Post by bama beau on Aug 1, 2020 6:11:31 GMT
A re-read of your OP makes that clear,
but I read what I wanted to read, (if you
believe Lomelis, as I usually do), and
I responded anyway. Excuse my manners.
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Post by petep on Aug 1, 2020 12:06:00 GMT
Good thread Freon. I own rental properties. At first the tenants reaction was to stop paying rent, understandably because they knew they’d be out of work and need food.
Then when told they could not be evicted and seeing California trying to unionize against landlords I got nervous.
But when assistance came almost all paid. And in Rhode Island we had many companies who could not hire as many people made more sitting at home.
Early on I wrote to all my tenants and said if you fall on hard times, and are out of work, work with me, and I’ll accumulate past due amounts and refinance the past due at no interest so when u can start paying current you can pay the past due over time, a bit each month
But our rental business was not eligible for any loans or money or bank forgiveness. So we had all mortgage and utility expenses and in some cases no income coming in
So the assistance helped renters pay me. Good. But the unintended consequence was they all could have been working but chose not to due to assistance. Which is not good.
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Post by crepe05 on Aug 1, 2020 12:47:21 GMT
I don't consider myself a conservative, but that doesn't stop me from responding to what I dang well want to. Once again, I see our citizens going the "easy route"; by lying and taking money that is not meant for them. The money is supposed to go to people who are in dire need of it. People who can work and choose not to because they can make more money by sitting on their rear ends are taking advantage of a crisis that has hit our nation. That's the way the law is written, so I honestly can't harshly blame those same people too much. I believe that the liberal socialist dems intentionally wrote the loosely stated "law" because it's a national election year and it buys them votes. Not many people can resist. I still don't have to like it or praise the people who wrote the law and also the people who are lying by taking advantage of it and not needing to.
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Post by freonbale on Aug 1, 2020 15:51:47 GMT
I don't consider myself a conservative, but that doesn't stop me from responding to what I dang well want to. Once again, I see our citizens going the "easy route"; by lying and taking money that is not meant for them. The money is supposed to go to people who are in dire need of it. People who can work and choose not to because they can make more money by sitting on their rear ends are taking advantage of a crisis that has hit our nation. That's the way the law is written, so I honestly can't harshly blame those same people too much. I believe that the liberal socialist dems intentionally wrote the loosely stated "law" because it's a national election year and it buys them votes. Not many people can resist. I still don't have to like it or praise the people who wrote the law and also the people who are lying by taking advantage of it and not needing to. How can you blame just the dems, when Mitch's Senate, as well as Trump, both signed off on it as well.
That is two out of three being republicans.
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Aug 1, 2020 15:52:08 GMT
Good thread Freon. I own rental properties. At first the tenants reaction was to stop paying rent, understandably because they knew they’d be out of work and need food. Then when told they could not be evicted and seeing California trying to unionize against landlords I got nervous. But when assistance came almost all paid. And in Rhode Island we had many companies who could not hire as many people made more sitting at home. Early on I wrote to all my tenants and said if you fall on hard times, and are out of work, work with me, and I’ll accumulate past due amounts and refinance the past due at no interest so when u can start paying current you can pay the past due over time, a bit each month But our rental business was not eligible for any loans or money or bank forgiveness. So we had all mortgage and utility expenses and in some cases no income coming in So the assistance helped renters pay me. Good. But the unintended consequence was they all could have been working but chose not to due to assistance. Which is not good. So do you agree with them getting handouts, or should they have to deal with their own problems and get evicted? They are your properties, and legally, they owe you, regardless of their financial situation.
Freon
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Post by petep on Aug 1, 2020 16:56:21 GMT
Well Freon, I suppose it’s not black and white.
On the one hand I’m happy I got paid by most tenants who were getting taxpayer money.
On the other hand all could have been working - for example I offered all 4 bartenders work at our company and they were also offered jobs at a local country club. But each said they’d rather stay home and collect as long as they can. That’s not good.
Overall I’d say good they got something.
The shutdown has been a house of cards with many unintended consequences.
Spending more time with family has been positive as an example.
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