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Post by petep on Jul 27, 2020 0:38:17 GMT
Also thru the roof this year. I read they have set the record of most shootings ever.
Most all blamed on gangs.
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Post by archie on Jul 27, 2020 18:03:23 GMT
Also thru the roof this year. I read they have set the record of most shootings ever. Most all blamed on gangs. And just what kind of gun laws do they have there. I heard that Biden thought they were great. Canada Shooting Shows Failed Gun Control Leads to More Gun ... www.personaldefenseworld.com/2020/04/... Apr 24, 2020 · Canada Shooting Product of Failed Gun Control Measures. In fact, the latest reports out of Canada indicate that the shooter, whom we won’t name here as a matter of courtesy to the victims, was prohibited from owning a gun; that was a result of an earlier assault conviction nearly two decades ago. That’s strike one for the gun-control law already in place. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 27, 2020 18:12:55 GMT
Isn't gun smuggling in from the USA a big issue in Canada?
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Post by petep on Jul 27, 2020 18:21:48 GMT
Isn't gun smuggling in from the USA a big issue in Canada?
yes, I think toronto has said about 3/4ths of the illegally obtained guns come from the states...criminals don't obey laws..so they are buying stolen guns on the canadian and us markets..thugs who are killing people, are not that concerned about the laws saying you can't steal or illegally transport weapons across state or country lines. its a bit like telling an arsonist who burns down skyscrapers they are not allowed to buy matches or else its a $200 fine. |
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 27, 2020 18:23:33 GMT
Isn't gun smuggling in from the USA a big issue in Canada?
Yes.. But the NRA supports gun smuggling..
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 27, 2020 18:26:11 GMT
Isn't gun smuggling in from the USA a big issue in Canada?
yes, I think toronto has said about 3/4ths of the illegally obtained guns come from the states...criminals don't obey laws..so they are buying stolen guns on the canadian and us markets..thugs who are killing people, are not that concerned about the laws saying you can't steal or illegally transport weapons across state or country lines. its a bit like telling an arsonist who burns down skyscrapers they are not allowed to buy matches or else its a $200 fine.
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Post by petep on Jul 27, 2020 18:33:49 GMT
Isn't gun smuggling in from the USA a big issue in Canada?
Yes.. But the NRA supports gun smuggling..
Fids, with due respect, your statement is a gross mischaracterization and the ruling as well as the NRA's position. This guy lied on the form...having filled out many it is clear the authors is clueless... there are the gifting laws, and re-selling laws and the guy broke them. The ruling was correct...here is the NRA's own explanation. www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/4/buying-and-selling-a-firearm-giving-someone-a-gun/here are the details of the court case: www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/is-it-illegal-buy-a-gun-someone-else.htmMost all of these guns according to toronto are stolen and illegally transported...they are not straw purchases...that is a myth perpetuated by gun banners. There are almost zero cases of a legal, law abiding citizen, knowingly buying a gun from a dealer or private indidudual, and selling it to a known felon or someone not allowed to own a firearm...its an automatic 10 year sentence if you get caught doing that. |
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Post by petep on Jul 27, 2020 18:36:32 GMT
yes, I think toronto has said about 3/4ths of the illegally obtained guns come from the states...criminals don't obey laws..so they are buying stolen guns on the canadian and us markets..thugs who are killing people, are not that concerned about the laws saying you can't steal or illegally transport weapons across state or country lines. its a bit like telling an arsonist who burns down skyscrapers they are not allowed to buy matches or else its a $200 fine.
ahh yes...my favorite...the democrat response.... the reason our super high crime city has so much gun violence is because there are states with no gun laws and very low crime rates and these guns make their way into our otherwise perfectly fine state....I can't explain why these other states with some many guns and lax laws have such low crime...I just know the reason my city is out of control is because of them... |
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Post by archie on Jul 28, 2020 2:01:49 GMT
Isn't gun smuggling in from the USA a big issue in Canada?
Do you see this? Federal background check laws can prohibit an individual from buying a gun for someone else as a "straw" purchaser, even if both people are legally able to own firearms, according to a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling out on Monday. ABBY OHLHEISER JUNE 16, 2014 That means I cannot legally buy my son or daughter a new gun. Did you know this? People who knowingly distribute firearms to felons – or to someone else who is ineligible to own one – could be charged with a crime under a law that takes effect July 1. “If you knowingly give a felon a gun, you should be held to a higher standard and suffer a consequence,” said Sen. Michael Young, R-Indianapolis, an author of the bill. Under current law, it is legal for someone to knowingly give or sell a firearm he or she owns to a felon. That will all change on July 1. That’s when someone who sells or transfers a gun illegally will face a Level 5 felony, which is punished by two to eight year in prison. A person could also be charged with the Level 5 felony if he or she gives or sells a gun to someone the original owner knows is going to commit a crime. However, the seller can serve six to 20 years under a Level 3 felony if the weapon is used to commit murder. Also on July 1, the state is implementing a six-tier felony system to replace the current A-D system. Level 1 is the highest felony where the perpetrator can serve at least 45 years in prison. The new gun law also provides a defense for sellers who use the National Instant Criminal Background Check System to try to determine whether the buyer is a felon – and received authorization from NICS to provide the firearm to the individual. The law would also: • Increase the crime of theft of a firearm to a Level 6 felony instead of a Class A misdemeanor. • Allow judges to add 5 years to 20 years to a prison sentence if a person uses a firearm to commit a felony that includes death or serious bodily injury, kidnapping, or criminal confinement. Sen. James Merritt, R-Indianapolis and one of the authors of the bill, said that he thinks the law is a step in the right direction but that more change needs to be made. “I still believe enhancements on top of a penalty of punishment need to be more than five to 20 years,” Merritt said. “We need to stand tall and send a message to all criminals.” “Our citizens deserve better,” he added. Seth Morin is a reporter for TheStatehouseFile.com, a news website powered by Franklin College journalism students. |
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Post by archie on Jul 28, 2020 2:08:50 GMT
Isn't gun smuggling in from the USA a big issue in Canada?
Yes.. But the NRA supports gun smuggling..
Fiddler, you have a lot to learn. Federal Firearms Laws www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/... ii. knowingly sell, give or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person who falls within one of the above categories: 18 usc § 922(d). punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment. iii. use, carry or possess a firearm in relation to or in furtherance of a federal drug felony or a federal crime of violence: |
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 28, 2020 14:20:58 GMT
Yes.. But the NRA supports gun smuggling..
Fiddler, you have a lot to learn. Federal Firearms Laws www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/... ii. knowingly sell, give or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person who falls within one of the above categories: 18 usc § 922(d). punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment. iii. use, carry or possess a firearm in relation to or in furtherance of a federal drug felony or a federal crime of violence: Why would you think FFL dealers were honest ? ..
"More than two of every five traceable crime guns recovered in Chicago originate with their first point of sale at an Illinois dealer," said the report. "The remaining 60 percent of firearms come from out of state, with Indiana as the primary source for approximately one out of every five crime guns."
From 2013 to 2016, 21 percent of "crime guns" in Chicago were traced back to an Indiana dealer. The next two states on the list were Mississippi with 5.1 percent, and Wisconsin with 4 percent. Guns found at Chicago crime scenes were first sold by about 5,000 federally licensed dealers from across the United States, but most guns were sourced to Illinois retailers and those in adjoining states.
The two single largest sources of Chicago crime guns over the four years covered by the report were dealers well known to authorities and to antiviolence activists. Almost a thousand guns that turned up at crime scenes were linked to Chuck’s Gun Shop located on Chicago’s Southeast Side in the suburb of Riverdale. Midwest Sporting Goods on the West Side in the suburb of Lyons supplied nearly 700 crime guns.
When police recovered the weapons, it led them back to Jonathan Smalley, 32, a resident of the southwest Mississippi city of Natchez.
Smalley, who does not have a federal firearms license, bought a total of 32 firearms in the Natchez area between May 18, 2009, and May 12, 2016, according to federal court documents.
So Arch.. Either the FFL dealers are stupid in not knowing that these guns are straw purchases or they're complicit .. I don't think they're stupid. They're taking advantage of lax gun laws and don't give a shit about crime in Chicago ..
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Post by petep on Jul 28, 2020 14:34:34 GMT
fiddler, honestly, why do you bother to come here and make up stuff...this thread is a great example..you tried to spin a story to fit your narrative...and you got exposed...I won't even say schooled, because you know what the law is...you can't be that ignorant...
then you cite an example of a corrupt dealer....you realize the feds gave him his FFL license...and he got caught...and will go to jail.
worse, you are actually blaming crime, thugs in chicago, on an inanimate object. As if the gun, somehow makes someone into a bad guy.
what is it with the left in this country, that cannot get them to blame the individuals committing the crime. its always some weird notion that there is some secret missing law, or something that happened 300 years ago that makes a human today go out and kill or rape or maim another person.
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 28, 2020 15:14:50 GMT
fiddler, honestly, why do you bother to come here and make up stuff...this thread is a great example..you tried to spin a story to fit your narrative...and you got exposed...I won't even say schooled, because you know what the law is...you can't be that ignorant... then you cite an example of a corrupt dealer....you realize the feds gave him his FFL license...and he got caught...and will go to jail. worse, you are actually blaming crime, thugs in chicago, on an inanimate object. As if the gun, somehow makes someone into a bad guy. what is it with the left in this country, that cannot get them to blame the individuals committing the crime. its always some weird notion that there is some secret missing law, or something that happened 300 years ago that makes a human today go out and kill or rape or maim another person.
Nice pivot .. Simply can't own up to the situation that you, the NRA and thousands of gunphuckers contribute to .. can you?
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Post by crepe05 on Jul 28, 2020 16:18:10 GMT
mr crepe and I have donated to NRA. It was totally legal. We also have made annual giving to our church. Also to Komen Breast Cancer Fund, annually. Also to St. Jude's (no child should have to deal with cancer nor should their folks have to deal with it)
We have occasionally given to Shriners because they help so many little and big kids overcome some physical handicap. Also to other cancer funds when some friend died from that cancer. We don't believe in flowers; just a personal choice, We also have given to the Heart Fund. Mom and Dad each died of heart problems, as did my sister.
If you have a problem with any of that, tough toodly-do.
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