Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 5:39:05 GMT
Aug 18, 2020 17:25:06 GMT @davejavu said:
2. Not comparable. There's the memory. If you want to make a comparison think of the people who spent all night drinking and can't remember any of it. THAT'S POINTLESS. Somehow, I doubt you'll disagree on that one.
Ever hear of "waiting for Godot."? Two homeless persons talk on a variety of subjects while waiting for someone named godot who never comes. That's the whole thing right there. We're just a bunch of drifters, waiting for someone named "Godot."
You bring up a good point about memory, though. Our personalities are arguably the amalgamation (?) of our memories. So doesn't it "matter" to us what we do and what we've done (for good and bad)?
As for Didi and Gogo, why converse at all in the present? If it doesn't matter right now?
I think we're sort of arguing at cross purposes.
A blade of grass doesn't have a mind, yet it does whatever it takes to continue to exist, it does so with its limited means, but it also does so without hesitation or anything we could interpret as doubt. The same applies to the whole animal kingdom with very rare exceptions, each animal does individually everything it an can to either keep on living or failing that to perpetuate the species. None of these beings needs any philosophy or religion to do so, they just follow their desire to live, they yield to their fear of being hurt and either flee or attack when they feel like their physical integrity is threatened.
We are sort of exception to that very general rule, but not really, we too do everything we can to survive, except that sometimes we are greatly mistaken at to what needs be done and act (ironically) in a self-destructive manner. As I said it's only apparently a violation of the rule because our survival makeup includes gregarious concerns, that is the necessity to belong to a group, we need others, or we think we do, so we create these artificial reasons to live and then decree that without these artificial reasons ( life after death, divine morality... etc..) we would have NO REASON to live. We're confusing second nature with primal nature, in primal nature there is no need for religion, there is NO NEED for things to matter. Deep down we are like that blade of grass, we continue to live because it's in our nature to do so. If you will we are like the bull who is distracted by the matador and misses its initial target, we were aiming at the matador, our true target, but somehow along the way someone agitated a red cloth in front of our eyes a made us lose our aim. The same thing with religion, it's completely useless, it's a total waste of time, but just like the chain smoker who will tell you for hours why he absolutely NEEDS to smoke to find life worth living, the guy high on religion will tell you the exact same thing, not realizing that he's just a kind of chain-smoker.