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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 15:53:13 GMT
When 9/11 happened, the general fear was that this attack was not going to be the last major attack on our soil that we'd have to deal with from terrorists. This could become "the new normal."
And yet, that prediction proved false. We had the anthrax attack very soon after and we've had some scattered terrorism-inspired shootings here and there, but on the whole, there have been no major 9/11-style attacks on our country's soil in the past 19 years.
In those 19 years, we've had three different presidents from two (or possibly three depending on how you view Trump) different parties. And a significant number of Americans probably consider 1, 2 or all 3 of those men to be among the worst presidents we've ever had, depending on where they fall on the political spectrum.
And yet, no major attacks.
My question is "why not?"
What do you personally credit for our not having another major attack on our homeland since then? Actions we've taken? Actions others have taken? Circumstances beyond our control? Luck?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 16:27:58 GMT
Some might say the attacks stopped because the deep state stopped sponsoring them. That's the conspiracy argument. It is growing more popular all the time.
It used to be only a small fraction of people who thought 9/11 was an inside job. Turning to more current concerns, about half the folks I know today think COVID-19 is a hoax that'll be gone by November, and they think Bill Gates and George Soros are behind everything evil or wrong in the world, from immigration to ANTIFA. If you can believe all that, you can surely stomach some 9/11 truther bs.
As for me, I would guess that US troops going to war in Muslim countries moved the focus of attack "over there" rather than "over here." And I am sure our intelligence and security agencies went on high alert after 9/11, watching and catching more chatter and activity than ever before. There's also the possibility that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan disrupted the networks of the folks who would plan or carry out such an attack. It also seems likely that the people in the US committed to terror already killed themselves in 9/11.
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Post by demos on Jul 20, 2020 16:51:59 GMT
What do you personally credit for our not having another major attack on our homeland since then? Actions we've taken? Actions others have taken? Circumstances beyond our control? Luck? I would like to think some of the reforms put in place have an effect, such as better info sharing/cooperation between agencies (this was a [the?] critical failing in the lead up to 9/11). Strikes/capture of leaders has also likely had some impact on planning. Some of it is circumstances beyond our control; e.g., ISIS has been more focused on building a caliphate than major attacks. |
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Post by archie on Jul 20, 2020 17:01:11 GMT
When 9/11 happened, the general fear was that this attack was not going to be the last major attack on our soil that we'd have to deal with from terrorists. This could become "the new normal." And yet, that prediction proved false. We had the anthrax attack very soon after and we've had some scattered terrorism-inspired shootings here and there, but on the whole, there have been no major 9/11-style attacks on our country's soil in the past 19 years. In those 19 years, we've had three different presidents from two (or possibly three depending on how you view Trump) different parties. And a significant number of Americans probably consider 1, 2 or all 3 of those men to be among the worst presidents we've ever had, depending on where they fall on the political spectrum. And yet, no major attacks. My question is "why not?" What do you personally credit for our not having another major attack on our homeland since then? Actions we've taken? Actions others have taken? Circumstances beyond our control? Luck? We are under attack right now. Who do you think is running black lives matter and antifa? Who do you think is running our schools and brain washing young people into becoming what you see on the streets now? And just what do you think the democrat party has become? We are in danger. A lot more than people think. I’ll be back. I have to feed my neighbors cats, and drive another neighbor to the airport. Might as well walk the dogs again before it rains. |
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Post by petep on Jul 20, 2020 17:25:42 GMT
certainly the sharing of intel as demos pointed out has had a significant impact...most do not know that after the 1993 trade center bombing, the fbi did not have one arabic speaking person on staff and much of the seized documentation went unread for many years...and it had a great deal of valuable intel...
you can also google thwarted attempts and there have been some notable ones...one big one on the west coast I believe, coming down out of canada, I believe with plans to target a stadium in the LA area.
the 9/11 commission report is actually a good read, and discusses many failures and changes to be put in place...
still, there have been may attacks throughout the west and non believer nations since 9/11.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 13:52:51 GMT
Who do you think is running our schools and brain washing young people into becoming what you see on the streets now? Ha! Well, me for one, I suppose. Do you think I'm brainwashing young people into becoming looters?
As for the rest of you, I appreciate your responses. I'm going to make a list of the possibilities offered. For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to use the word "enemy" rather than "terrorist" which doesn't always apply to all situations. 1. The wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere have moved the preferred targets from "here" to "over there." 2. Intelligence and security is more alert now than before 9/11. 3. The prohibitions on sharing intel between agencies has been removed. 4. Strikes against the enemy leaders have impeded planning. 5. Some enemy goals have changed. So, now my question is this. Which of the above actions do you think we should continue to take and which should be abandon? In addition, what new actions (if any) should we take to prevent another 9/11-style attack in the future? |
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Post by petep on Jul 21, 2020 13:56:58 GMT
I'd like to see us end #1, at least the ground game, in favor of targeted assassin or drone strikes against individual leaders who try stupid terror attacks....its too much whack a mole, and too many lives at stake...we know who the leadership is...
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Post by demos on Jul 21, 2020 15:29:05 GMT
Ditto on ending #1, and more broadly re-evaluate our entire role in the ME, which is what makes us a target.
Continue 2 and 3. And treat terrorism as a criminal issue rather than a military one.
If there is a direct threat tied to a specific leader/group, then maybe take them out using special forces, drone strikes, etc., preferably within a constitutional framework.
Not much we can do about #5.
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