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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 22:52:51 GMT
That's not what I said at all. Ah, so you're saying that current day bibles are just mistranslated. However, if indeed you want the best Hebrew rendering of the verses I'll break it down for you. Revelation 7:1
Flat earthers read this verse absolutely literally. The Book of Revelation is a Book of prophecy which contains lots of symbolism and figurative expressions for the purpose of explaining much deeper spiritual events which will take place in the last days. Hence, Revelation is not meant to be understood so literally as flat earthers read it. The "four corners of the earth" is an expression which means "the extremities of the earth" in all cardinal directions (north, east, south, west -- the four points of a compass). Revelation 7:1 also alludes to the four spirits of heaven as mentioned in Zechariah 6:5, Believer's Bible Commentary -- Rev.7:1-4,
Thus the four winds are the winds of change which will bring about a terrible destruction upon the earth and in all four quarters of the earth. But God delays this coming storm of disaster by holding back the winds of change. And again we see "the four corners of the earth" in Isaiah 11:12, The word "corners" is Strong's H3671 כָּנָף kânâph, which is also used in Isaiah 24:16, In this verse the expression is defined as "the extremities of the earth" according to the Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon. But kânâph is not just used in context of the entire globe. It is also used to express a regional area as further expressed in Ezekiel 7:2, It is very clear by reading the verse that kânâph is used as an expression for all four directions and not a reference to the shape of the earth itself. The Greek word used in Rev.7:1 is Strong's G1137 γωνία gōnía. Thayer's Greek Lexicon defines it as "the four extreme limits of the earth, Revelation 7:1; Revelation 20:8." Rev.20:8 says, Once again γωνία (gōnía) is used to express the far reaches of the earth in all four quarters (i.e., directions). It is not saying the earth is flat. 🔐 Common Sense
From the 1st century on up to the present now, Christian leaders have always taught globe earth. But why would the early church fathers teach globe earth from the Bible if Scripture says its flat? The Bible does not teach flat earth and if it did you better believe the early church fathers would have left for us a flat earth tradition. But they didn't. They didn't because Scripture teaches globe earth. Rev.7:1 is an expression which was never intended to describe the literal shape of the earth. The early church fathers were not Godless men, but had a very strong knowledge of Scripture which is why they were chosen by the Apostles to teach the Gospel after they were gone. So they knew about verses such as Isaiah 40:22 -- "the circle of the earth." So why would the Apostle John contradict Isaiah? He wouldn't and he didn't. Verses like Isaiah 40:22 are about the shape of the earth. Rev.7:1 is not about the shape of the earth. Whenever the Bible speaks about the shape of the earth its in context with God's creation and dominion over the earth and its inhabitants. Rev.7:1 simply expresses the extremities of the earth. View AttachmentThe Hebrew word תבל (tebel) is an ancient Hebrew word that means "the habitable globe." Here you can see how tebel is used even today. context.reverso.net/translation/hebrew-english/%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%9CNow when you click on the verb globe it takes you to a page that uses tebel in a sentence as an example of one of the applications tebel is applied. context.reverso.net/translation/hebrew-english/%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%9C#globeSince you are too lazy to click the link I'll post the example first in Hebrew and then in the English translation provided. Hebrew example:. English translation:Don't you atheists ever get sick of losing every single debate?
If it's not mistranslated then it's wrong.
Corner: the place at which two converging lines or surfaces meet.
I gave you the correct answer.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 24, 2021 22:57:55 GMT
If it's not mistranslated then it's wrong.
Corner: the place at which two converging lines or surfaces meet.
I gave you the correct answer. Doubt.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 0:51:08 GMT
I gave you the correct answer. Doubt.
I doubt you read the answer. You atheists are illiterate big mouths who just want to brawl. But you don't know anything that you talk about. Its all arrogance with you atheists.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 1:01:56 GMT
I doubt you read the answer. You atheists are illiterate big mouths who just want to brawl. But you don't know anything that you talk about. Its all arrogance with you atheists.
... and yet you are the one arguing with dictionaries.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 2:27:19 GMT
I doubt you read the answer. You atheists are illiterate big mouths who just want to brawl. But you don't know anything that you talk about. Its all arrogance with you atheists.
... and yet you are the one arguing with dictionaries.
Wrong. Totally wrong. Only atheists argue with dictionaries.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 16:52:36 GMT
... and yet you are the one arguing with dictionaries.
Wrong. Totally wrong. Only atheists argue with dictionaries. You're living proof otherwise.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 22:10:24 GMT
Wrong. Totally wrong. Only atheists argue with dictionaries. You're living proof otherwise. Sounds like more shit talking from you. Yet you failed to provide any examples or make a case in favor of your argument. All you have are these weak hit and run statements. I'm not impressed.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 22:16:18 GMT
You're living proof otherwise. Sounds like more shit talking from you. Yet you failed to provide any examples or make a case in favor of your argument. All you have are these weak hit and run statements. I'm not impressed. You were the proof. Whoosh.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 22:20:42 GMT
Sounds like more shit talking from you. Yet you failed to provide any examples or make a case in favor of your argument. All you have are these weak hit and run statements. I'm not impressed. You were the proof. Whoosh.
You still have to prove your statements academically. A statement proves nothing. But don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to start debating academically. I know you're a punk who listens to crappy punk rock. You have no knowledge of anything. Bigots hate what they don't want to understand.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 23:18:09 GMT
You were the proof. Whoosh.
You still have to prove your statements academically. A statement proves nothing. But don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to start debating academically. I know you're a punk who listens to crappy punk rock. You have no knowledge of anything. Bigots hate what they don't want to understand.
Oh boy, sure, give me the academic evidence that whatever god you claim to exist, exists. Then a brief description on why all the other gods do not preferably on a case by case basis.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 26, 2021 5:39:03 GMT
You still have to prove your statements academically. A statement proves nothing. But don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to start debating academically. I know you're a punk who listens to crappy punk rock. You have no knowledge of anything. Bigots hate what they don't want to understand.
Oh boy, sure, give me the academic evidence that whatever god you claim to exist, exists. Then a brief description on why all the other gods do not preferably on a case by case basis.
Why don't you try and academically refute the topic? You can't. I already have this topic all locked up in axioms. All you have is insults which tells me you are defeated and have no argument to go on. Bigotry is not education. Perhaps nobody told you that. Then again, you probably don't care. All you want is to silence intelligent people who know you are dumb fascists who defend your worldview by fascism. And if you have to resort to fascism then you have already lost.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 26, 2021 5:40:44 GMT
You are not even here to learn. You don't even read my posts or my replies. You just look for a reason to post your hate filled insults.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 26, 2021 11:49:48 GMT
Oh boy, sure, give me the academic evidence that whatever god you claim to exist, exists. Then a brief description on why all the other gods do not preferably on a case by case basis.
Why don't you try and academically refute the topic? You can't. I already have this topic all locked up in axioms. All you have is insults which tells me you are defeated and have no argument to go on. Bigotry is not education. Perhaps nobody told you that. Then again, you probably don't care. All you want is to silence intelligent people who know you are dumb fascists who defend your worldview by fascism. And if you have to resort to fascism then you have already lost.
Run baby run.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 27, 2021 7:17:07 GMT
Why don't you try and academically refute the topic? You can't. I already have this topic all locked up in axioms. All you have is insults which tells me you are defeated and have no argument to go on. Bigotry is not education. Perhaps nobody told you that. Then again, you probably don't care. All you want is to silence intelligent people who know you are dumb fascists who defend your worldview by fascism. And if you have to resort to fascism then you have already lost.
Run baby run.
That's exactly what you are doing. I'm challenging your knowledge of the Bible. So far it appears that you never read nor studied the Bible which is why you cannot support anything you say. Anyone can read the OP and see that I did my homework. The problem I see here is that you are a bigot and a bigot cannot learn because their hate for what they don't understand blinds them.
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 27, 2021 13:40:07 GMT
You still have to prove your statements academically. A statement proves nothing. But don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to start debating academically. I know you're a punk who listens to crappy punk rock. You have no knowledge of anything. Bigots hate what they don't want to understand.
Oh boy, sure, give me the academic evidence that whatever god you claim to exist, exists. Then a brief description on why all the other gods do not preferably on a case by case basis.
What do you mean by "academic evidence"?
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Post by atreyu on Mar 27, 2021 13:41:33 GMT
Oh boy, sure, give me the academic evidence that whatever god you claim to exist, exists. Then a brief description on why all the other gods do not preferably on a case by case basis.
What do you mean by "academic evidence"?
LOL, no idea, it's the term that Fez used. I thought it ironic.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 27, 2021 13:46:03 GMT
Oh boy, sure, give me the academic evidence that whatever god you claim to exist, exists. Then a brief description on why all the other gods do not preferably on a case by case basis.
Why don't you try and academically refute the topic? You can't. I already have this topic all locked up in axioms. All you have is insults which tells me you are defeated and have no argument to go on. Bigotry is not education. Perhaps nobody told you that. Then again, you probably don't care. All you want is to silence intelligent people who know you are dumb fascists who defend your worldview by fascism. And if you have to resort to fascism then you have already lost.
Oh I think I refuted the topic when you started arguing against a dictionary. I'm continuing to do so because it's fun.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 28, 2021 0:12:13 GMT
Why don't you try and academically refute the topic? You can't. I already have this topic all locked up in axioms. All you have is insults which tells me you are defeated and have no argument to go on. Bigotry is not education. Perhaps nobody told you that. Then again, you probably don't care. All you want is to silence intelligent people who know you are dumb fascists who defend your worldview by fascism. And if you have to resort to fascism then you have already lost.
Oh I think I refuted the topic when you started arguing against a dictionary. I'm continuing to do so because it's fun.
You've refuted nothing. You haven't even participated on this topic.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 30, 2021 23:55:18 GMT
Oh I think I refuted the topic when you started arguing against a dictionary. I'm continuing to do so because it's fun.
You've refuted nothing. You haven't even participated on this topic.
Nothing really to refute. It doesn't even matter.
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