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Post by crepe05 on Jul 10, 2020 13:09:35 GMT
I stumbled upon it, and lo and behold, he was talking about doing things that President Trump has already done; e.g. bring manufacturing back to our nation (after Obama sent it overseas); strengthen our military and give them what they need (again, after Obama had denied the requests from the military) and, of course, he pushed Obamacare, which is, anethama to a lot of voters; and of course, to raise taxes. He seemed to read the entire speech. No deviation from it. Good ole Joe.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 10, 2020 13:37:48 GMT
I stumbled upon it, and lo and behold, he was talking about doing things that President Trump has already done; e.g. bring manufacturing back to our nation (after Obama sent it overseas); strengthen our military and give them what they need (again, after Obama had denied the requests from the military) and, of course, he pushed Obamacare, which is, anethama to a lot of voters; and of course, to raise taxes. He seemed to read the entire speech. No deviation from it. Good ole Joe. |
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Post by freonbale on Jul 10, 2020 13:38:36 GMT
I stumbled upon it, and lo and behold, he was talking about doing things that President Trump has already done; e.g. bring manufacturing back to our nation (after Obama sent it overseas); strengthen our military and give them what they need (again, after Obama had denied the requests from the military) and, of course, he pushed Obamacare, which is, anethama to a lot of voters; and of course, to raise taxes. He seemed to read the entire speech. No deviation from it. Good ole Joe. You are misinterpreting completely.
What he is saying is that you can be a president that delivers on things we all want, without being a complete douche bag. Without the circus. Without the criminal activity. Without dismantling government institutions that are desirable.
If he says even one thing that you conservatives find appealing, then he becomes a valid alternative to the embarrassment of Trump.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 10, 2020 13:39:37 GMT
No, manufacturing took a huge hit in the Republican Bush recession, and Obama brought it back. Trump merely continued the recovery that started under Obama, but Trump's ill conceived trade wars have hurt our manufacturing sector.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 10, 2020 13:41:08 GMT
Also, Trump has ballooned our national debt. This will come back to bite us bigly in the future. Who is going to pay all that off?
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 10, 2020 13:58:03 GMT
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 10, 2020 13:59:31 GMT
So, Biden read his speech?
It sure would be nice to have a president again who can read.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 10, 2020 14:04:26 GMT
Health care? Obama's ACA brought health insurance to 20 million American citizens who previously had NONE.
How is that anathema?
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Post by archie on Jul 10, 2020 14:14:37 GMT
I stumbled upon it, and lo and behold, he was talking about doing things that President Trump has already done; e.g. bring manufacturing back to our nation (after Obama sent it overseas); strengthen our military and give them what they need (again, after Obama had denied the requests from the military) and, of course, he pushed Obamacare, which is, anethama to a lot of voters; and of course, to raise taxes. He seemed to read the entire speech. No deviation from it. Good ole Joe. You are misinterpreting completely.
What he is saying is that you can be a president that delivers on things we all want, without being a complete douche bag. Without the circus. Without the criminal activity. Without dismantling government institutions that are desirable.
If he says even one thing that you conservatives find appealing, then he becomes a valid alternative to the embarrassment of Trump.
Freon
Ha ha ha, I saw it too. And he was saying he was going to do all the things that Trump already did. Biden has been around for 40 years. List all the things he has done to make the country better for you. And stop trying to give Obama the credit for all the jobs and manufacturing coming back, because he did nothing for the working people, except make them pay more tax, and Joe will continue on that program. We pay so everyone can play. Screw you and the (D) socialist Marxist party. |
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Post by archie on Jul 10, 2020 14:18:17 GMT
No, manufacturing took a huge hit in the Republican Bush recession, and Obama brought it back. Trump merely continued the recovery that started under Obama, but Trump's ill conceived trade wars have hurt our manufacturing sector. Tell me how our trade wars have hurt American manufacturing. And actually tell me what you mean by trade war. Do you know what a tariff is? |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Jul 10, 2020 14:18:25 GMT
You are misinterpreting completely.
What he is saying is that you can be a president that delivers on things we all want, without being a complete douche bag. Without the circus. Without the criminal activity. Without dismantling government institutions that are desirable.
If he says even one thing that you conservatives find appealing, then he becomes a valid alternative to the embarrassment of Trump.
Freon
Ha ha ha, I saw it too. And he was saying he was going to do all the things that Trump already did. Biden has been around for 40 years. List all the things he has done to make the country better for you. And stop trying to give Obama the credit for all the jobs and manufacturing coming back, because he did nothing for the working people, except make them pay more tax, and Joe will continue on that program. We pay so everyone can play. Screw you and the (D) socialist Marxist party.
Psst. Hey Archie. Harley Davidson has closed plants since Trump came in.
Greg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 14:19:47 GMT
You are misinterpreting completely.
What he is saying is that you can be a president that delivers on things we all want, without being a complete douche bag. Without the circus. Without the criminal activity. Without dismantling government institutions that are desirable.
If he says even one thing that you conservatives find appealing, then he becomes a valid alternative to the embarrassment of Trump.
Freon
Ha ha ha, I saw it too. And he was saying he was going to do all the things that Trump already did. Biden has been around for 40 years. List all the things he has done to make the country better for you. And stop trying to give Obama the credit for all the jobs and manufacturing coming back, because he did nothing for the working people, except make them pay more tax, and Joe will continue on that program. We pay so everyone can play. Screw you and the (D) socialist Marxist party. In defense of Joe Biden's husband, Joe Biden probably forgot all those things happened. :-) |
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Post by archie on Jul 10, 2020 14:20:17 GMT
Health care? Obama's ACA brought health insurance to 20 million American citizens who previously had NONE.
How is that anathema?
And who paid for it? How much did insurance cost increase for every individual in the country? |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Jul 10, 2020 14:26:34 GMT
Health care? Obama's ACA brought health insurance to 20 million American citizens who previously had NONE.
How is that anathema?
And who paid for it? How much did insurance cost increase for every individual in the country?
Psst Archie. General Motors closed down their Lordstown plant under Trump. Those that got laid off had to find their own health insurance. Obamacare....
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Post by archie on Jul 10, 2020 14:35:49 GMT
Health care? Obama's ACA brought health insurance to 20 million American citizens who previously had NONE.
How is that anathema?
Why Health Care Premiums Are Rising Under Obamacare. Insurers are set to raise the premiums for plans sold through HealthCare.gov by an average of 22 percent in 2017, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said in a report. This is approximately triple the percentage increase from 2015 to 2016, when premiums increased by 7.5 percent. SUMMARY The seismic effects of the Affordable Care Act on insurance markets continue to be felt nearly eight years after its enactment. Premiums for individual coverage more than doubled between 2013 and 2017. Much of that increase resulted from Obamacare's new regulations. Some regulations-such as essential health benefits and actuarial value requirements-had discrete effects on premiums. A cluster of regulations prohibiting medical underwriting, requiring the issuance of coverage, and banning pre-existing condition exclusions under any circumstances collectively had the largest effect on premiums. Additional provisions of the ACA, such as those that induced costly enrollees with other coverage options to migrate to the subsidized individual market, also drove up premiums. The Trump Administration has taken some steps to help mitigate these challenges, but legislative action is the most effective approach. The Graham-Cassidy proposal offers a starting point for policymakers seeking to address these issues, by providing a conceptual framework for empowering states to repair or ameliorate much of the market dislocation resulting from Obamacare. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 14:45:28 GMT
Health care? Obama's ACA brought health insurance to 20 million American citizens who previously had NONE.
How is that anathema?
Because your post mentions the benefit, but not the cost. To honestly discuss a political topic, you have to be willing to discuss both. You must acknowledge the actual cost and explain why the benefit makes the cost worth it and why this particular benefit can't be realized at a lower cost. But that all takes work, of course. A more intellectually honest post would be, "Health care? Obama's ACA brought health insurance to 20 million American citizens who previously had NONE [at a cost of only...] [to the people who pay the cost]" Every political action has a cost. Every one of them. This is why your statement, like "Freedom is no imposition" (the latter defense of the Iraq War) doesn't work and why you don't understand (or won't admit to understanding) an objection to your preferred political action. |
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Post by archie on Jul 10, 2020 14:53:37 GMT
And who paid for it? How much did insurance cost increase for every individual in the country?
Psst Archie. General Motors closed down their Lordstown plant under Trump. Those that got laid off had to find their own health insurance. Obamacare....
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And those that did take the jobs offered in different states by GM didn’t have to worry about it. The rest of the workers were able to find good insurance. When these plants closed, many of the people not old enough to get their pensions, were offered a buy out in cash and give up the pension. So they had a nice chunk of change in the bank to help them until they found a new job. GM employed mostly good intelligent workers. They closed my plant in Connecticut too. I could have taken a job in Ohio, Tennessee, or Louisiana. My wife didn’t want to leave Connecticut because her mother was not well at that time. So I took a job for a different company as a skilled trades Forman. Then that company closed after three years. I knew it wasn’t going to last after I worked there for three weeks. Bad management was obvious to me. So then I took a job as machinist and tool maker for a company in Cheshire and worked there until my wife wanted to move to Florida after her mother passed away. So here I am. We were fortunate that I didn’t have to work anymore. My wife retired from the Hartford Ins. Co. She was pretty smart too. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Jul 10, 2020 14:54:34 GMT
Health care? Obama's ACA brought health insurance to 20 million American citizens who previously had NONE.
How is that anathema?
Why Health Care Premiums Are Rising Under Obamacare. Insurers are set to raise the premiums for plans sold through HealthCare.gov by an average of 22 percent in 2017, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said in a report. This is approximately triple the percentage increase from 2015 to 2016, when premiums increased by 7.5 percent. SUMMARY The seismic effects of the Affordable Care Act on insurance markets continue to be felt nearly eight years after its enactment. Premiums for individual coverage more than doubled between 2013 and 2017. Much of that increase resulted from Obamacare's new regulations. Some regulations-such as essential health benefits and actuarial value requirements-had discrete effects on premiums. A cluster of regulations prohibiting medical underwriting, requiring the issuance of coverage, and banning pre-existing condition exclusions under any circumstances collectively had the largest effect on premiums. Additional provisions of the ACA, such as those that induced costly enrollees with other coverage options to migrate to the subsidized individual market, also drove up premiums. The Trump Administration has taken some steps to help mitigate these challenges, but legislative action is the most effective approach. The Graham-Cassidy proposal offers a starting point for policymakers seeking to address these issues, by providing a conceptual framework for empowering states to repair or ameliorate much of the market dislocation resulting from Obamacare.
Psst… Archie, MILLIONS of people are now currently laid off and a good number WON'T be going back to work. Obamacare....
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Post by archie on Jul 10, 2020 15:12:51 GMT
Ha ha ha, I saw it too. And he was saying he was going to do all the things that Trump already did. Biden has been around for 40 years. List all the things he has done to make the country better for you. And stop trying to give Obama the credit for all the jobs and manufacturing coming back, because he did nothing for the working people, except make them pay more tax, and Joe will continue on that program. We pay so everyone can play. Screw you and the (D) socialist Marxist party.
Psst. Hey Archie. Harley Davidson has closed plants since Trump came in.
GregTrump had nothing to do with it. Foreign motorcycles are sold here at a much lower cost than a Harley. And Harley had trouble selling in other countries because of tariffs. Do you know what the tariff was on a Harley in India?
US President Donald Trump said that even though India has reduced its import tariff on American motorcycles from 100 percent to 50 percent, it is still too high and not acceptable to him.
Trump said the United States, under his leadership, is a country that can no longer be fooled.
“We’re not the foolish country that does so badly. You look at India, very good friend of mine, Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi, you take a look at what they’ve done, 100 percent tax on a motorcycle. We charge them nothing,” Trump told CBS news in an interview on Monday.
My wife’s last bike was a 2016 Honda. It looked like a Harley. Everyone thought it was mine, and mine was hers because I ride a Sportster which is not a full dress bike.
Harley is more expensive because they not only pay employees more than other countries, but our manufacturing laws and employee benefits. I have said here before. At GM an employee may have earned 25 or more dollars an hour, but all the costs of their insurance and other benefits cost us near 80 dollars an hour per employee. Guess why your GM vehicles cost so much.
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