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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 15:46:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 15:50:21 GMT
Ya. That's why I find cancel culture so repellent. Even when the left does it.
The right has been trying (unsuccessfully) to do it for years. I go out of my way to watch for things the "Million Moms" are outraged about. It's why I watched 4 seasons of the somewhat stupid show "Lucifer."
So you can imagine my dismay at watching the left not just try, but successfully engage in the same practices as the repellent "million moms" turds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 15:52:17 GMT
They tried to cancel dungeons & dragons.
They tried to cancel Ozzy Osbourne.
They tried to cancel video games and Doom.
They tried to cancel TV shows they don't like.
And now the people that were so outraged about the above, are all cheering their own successful attempts at cancelling things they don't like. And it makes me vomit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 15:55:29 GMT
Holy shit the more I read, this is fucking dumb. Yeah Hillary Clinton wanted you thrown in jail for two years for burning a flag too. What the fuck is this guy even smoking? Tell me which of those "cancels" actually worked. Colin Kapernick was cancelled from the NFL because he was a shitty quarterback. He self sabotaged the "get his job back" offers and now is going to never play football again because he knows just how badly he will lose the messaging war if he is put in as a starting quarterback anywhere and proves to the world he wasn't let go because of politics. 65 years ago people burned Elvis records. And Beatles records. So let's be just like them! Progress! (Notice how nobody has ever heard of Elvis and the Beatles? Fucking right wing cancel culture  ) Queshank |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:00:46 GMT
Ya. That's why I find cancel culture so repellent. Even when the left does it. The right has been trying (unsuccessfully) to do it for years. I go out of my way to watch for things the "Million Moms" are outraged about. It's why I watched 4 seasons of the somewhat stupid show "Lucifer." So you can imagine my dismay at watching the left not just try, but successfully engage in the same practices as the repellent "million moms" turds. Queshank Part of me agrees with you on that. But another part of me thinks politics is going to result in these kinds of efforts because of human nature and I'm happy to see the power shift to the side of those who were previously minimized and canceled. I love a good underdog victory or comeback story. But I also believe in a liberal-pluralistic society where many different flavors of human experience exist side by side. We might have to see the limits of left-wing cancel culture before we collectively get there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:04:09 GMT
They tried to cancel dungeons & dragons. They tried to cancel Ozzy Osbourne. They tried to cancel video games and Doom. They tried to cancel TV shows they don't like. And now the people that were so outraged about the above, are all cheering their own successful attempts at cancelling things they don't like. And it makes me vomit. Queshank Yes, but now the shoe is on the other foot and the social pressure is being used for an ostensibly good cause. The stuff we are canceling actually sucks. On the flip side, The Doors, Ozzy and Mortal Kombat are pretty cool. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:19:20 GMT
"It'll be different this time because WE'RE the ones in charge."
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Post by petep on Jul 8, 2020 16:20:14 GMT
please spare me...99% of this is politics...
the looting, burning, killing, destruction...thats all this is...excuses to destroy...were you alseep during the non stop riots during the obama era...
and as for the rest..the people legitimately protesting, are protesting trump, in their own cities which have been run by dems for decades...black mayors, black police chiefs etc...
if there were an ounce of legit in all of this, they'd simply vote for change...cities where this is happening, whatever this is, are run by the same people they say should be in power...
if people cared about killings etc, we'd be treating gangs like covid...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:21:36 GMT
"It'll be different this time because WE'RE the ones in charge." Queshank That's cute but seems wide the mark after this comment: "But I also believe in a liberal-pluralistic society where many different flavors of human experience exist side by side. We might have to see the limits of left-wing cancel culture before we collectively get there." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:22:55 GMT
please spare me...99% of this is politics... the looting, burning, killing, destruction...thats all this is...excuses to destroy...were you alseep during the non stop riots during the obama era... and as for the rest..the people legitimately protesting, are protesting trump, in their own cities which have been run by dems for decades...black mayors, black police chiefs etc... if there were an ounce of legit in all of this, they'd simply vote for change...cities where this is happening, whatever this is, are run by the same people they say should be in power... if people cared about killings etc, we'd be treating gangs like covid... There's not an eye roll emoji big enough. Please, spare me all the whataboutery. You might have a point to make but its not coming through in this post. People have legit complaints about the police, the law, various distorting economic controls, etc and voting hasn't helped. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:26:14 GMT
The right blamed Obama for the anti-police sentiment that boiled over into protests during his admin. Now it is escalating under Trump and they aren't looking to apologize to Obama.
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Post by RWB on Jul 8, 2020 16:29:14 GMT
please spare me...99% of this is politics... the looting, burning, killing, destruction...thats all this is...excuses to destroy...were you alseep during the non stop riots during the obama era... and as for the rest..the people legitimately protesting, are protesting trump, in their own cities which have been run by dems for decades...black mayors, black police chiefs etc... if there were an ounce of legit in all of this, they'd simply vote for change...cities where this is happening, whatever this is, are run by the same people they say should be in power... if people cared about killings etc, we'd be treating gangs like covid... very well put |
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Post by petep on Jul 8, 2020 16:32:59 GMT
The point is we have it so good these days, there is no american revolution, or civil war to be had...we have people is great positions of power of every race creed and color...Obesity is closely tied to poverty...did you read that...obesity is tied to poverty...we are a million miles from people starving due to poverty.
now, am i a proponent of being critical and solution oriented, with a goal of continuous improvement...yes, absolutely...are there things I'm against...civil forfeiture, a govt that cant manage a budget, gangs that account for up to 90% of violent crime in our cities...absolutely...Am I out killing a retired police officer..no.
but please, an honest evaluation of police/people interactions and what we saw in MN will immediately tell you we do not have a system wide problem...we have some individuals who are bad...just as we do in any profession...punish the crap out of of them...
none of what is being done in the streets is actionable...its destructive...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:43:52 GMT
please spare me...99% of this is politics... the looting, burning, killing, destruction...thats all this is...excuses to destroy...were you alseep during the non stop riots during the obama era... and as for the rest..the people legitimately protesting, are protesting trump, in their own cities which have been run by dems for decades...black mayors, black police chiefs etc... if there were an ounce of legit in all of this, they'd simply vote for change...cities where this is happening, whatever this is, are run by the same people they say should be in power... if people cared about killings etc, we'd be treating gangs like covid... very well put My man, that post was nothing but incoherent whataboutery. Look at the last point he makes. It doesn't get more dumb than that. We don't subsidize gangs. They aren't a socially constructed policy outcome voted and decided upon in the political process. The police and the law are socially constructed policy outcomes. That's why we protest the police and the law and not gangs. Every time there is a protest or outrage over a police officer killing someone, one of these geniuses brings up gang crime, or murders between individuals, (which number far in excess of the murders committed by law enforcement) and coyly ask "where is the protest for these deaths?" And after what has been said (it makes sense to protest policy outcomes, it does not make sense to protest the actions of an individual) you would think they would learn and stop asking. But they don't. The dumb question continues to be asked, as if it actually made sense. |
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Post by RWB on Jul 8, 2020 16:46:14 GMT
My man, that post was nothing but incoherent whataboutery. Look at the last point he makes. It doesn't get more dumb than that. We don't subsidize gangs. They aren't a socially constructed policy outcome voted and decided upon in the political process. The police and the law, on the other hand, are socially constructed policy outcomes. That's why we protest the police and the law and not gangs. We don't collectively hire gang members, we do collectively hire the police. Every time there is a protest or outrage over a police killing someone, one of these geniuses brings up gang crime, or murders between individuals, (which number far in excess of the murders committed by law enforcement) and coyly ask "where is the protest for these deaths?" And after what has been said about that utterly nonsensical point (it makes sense to protest policy outcomes, it does not make sense to protest the actions of an individual) you would think they would learn and stop asking. But they don't. The dumb question continues to be asked, as if it actually made sense. not to be disrespectfull yours is the incoherent pile of shit that I seen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:46:52 GMT
The point is we have it so good these days, there is no american revolution, or civil war to be had...we have people is great positions of power of every race creed and color...Obesity is closely tied to poverty...did you read that...obesity is tied to poverty...we are a million miles from people starving due to poverty. now, am i a proponent of being critical and solution oriented, with a goal of continuous improvement...yes, absolutely...are there things I'm against...civil forfeiture, a govt that cant manage a budget, gangs that account for up to 90% of violent crime in our cities...absolutely...Am I out killing a retired police officer..no. but please, an honest evaluation of police/people interactions and what we saw in MN will immediately tell you we do not have a system wide problem...we have some individuals who are bad...just as we do in any profession...punish the crap out of of them... none of what is being done in the streets is actionable...its destructive... We do have it good and thats why I am not worried about civil war. We are too comfortable for that. But there are serious problems with law enforcement and our legal system. We have a system wide problem- its not a few bad apples. I think we can all agree on that. Further, a great deal of the protesting in the streets is actually quite peaceful and constructive. |
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Post by petep on Jul 8, 2020 16:47:04 GMT
My man, that post was nothing but incoherent whataboutery. Look at the last point he makes. It doesn't get more dumb than that. We don't subsidize gangs. They aren't a socially constructed policy outcome voted and decided upon in the political process. The police and the law are socially constructed policy outcomes. That's why we protest the police and the law and not gangs. Every time there is a protest or outrage over a police killing someone, one of these geniuses brings up gang crime, or murders between individuals, (which number far in excess of the murders committed by law enforcement) and coyly ask "where is the protest for these deaths?" And after what has been said about that utterly nonsensical point (it makes sense to protest policy outcomes, it does not make sense to protest the actions of an individual) you would think they would learn and stop asking. But they don't. The dumb question continues to be asked, as if it actually made sense. it's not "the police" that are a problem - its a "police man" that is the problem... unless you'd like to start using a broad brush to paint any group ny the actions of some members of society who are part of the same group...say by race? is that what you propose? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:48:13 GMT
My man, that post was nothing but incoherent whataboutery. Look at the last point he makes. It doesn't get more dumb than that. We don't subsidize gangs. They aren't a socially constructed policy outcome voted and decided upon in the political process. The police and the law are socially constructed policy outcomes. That's why we protest the police and the law and not gangs. Every time there is a protest or outrage over a police killing someone, one of these geniuses brings up gang crime, or murders between individuals, (which number far in excess of the murders committed by law enforcement) and coyly ask "where is the protest for these deaths?" And after what has been said about that utterly nonsensical point (it makes sense to protest policy outcomes, it does not make sense to protest the actions of an individual) you would think they would learn and stop asking. But they don't. The dumb question continues to be asked, as if it actually made sense. not to be disrespectfull yours is the incoherent pile of shit that I seen. Well, unless you can marry that with actual criticism, it rings hollow. |
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 8, 2020 16:55:06 GMT
It seems 'cancel culture' would be a Libertarian's aspiration .. Ostracism on steroids .. No?
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Post by petep on Jul 8, 2020 16:56:08 GMT
not to be disrespectfull yours is the incoherent pile of shit that I seen. Well, unless you can marry that with actual criticism, it rings hollow. TL what rings hollow is criticism without solutions...I've yet to see a proposal from you...the data - which is overwhelming and crystal clear - regarding police acting brutal, outside protocols etc, is that it is individuals who are the problem and not the institution, and race targeting is not happening at all... the whole premise is wrong and flawed - at best its emotion and at worst its just being used for political purposes (and stealing) |
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