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Post by queshank on Nov 10, 2024 20:45:22 GMT
“It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”
As I pointed out in 2016 when I started seeing the left/right paradign shift into an establishment/antiestablishment world... I'm not making any judgments about whether or not it's a good thing.
Just pointing out it's what's happening. And the world makes a lot more sense when you accept it.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 10, 2024 22:41:50 GMT
“It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”
As I pointed out in 2016 when I started seeing the left/right paradign shift into an establishment/antiestablishment world... I'm not making any judgments about whether or not it's a good thing.
Just pointing out it's what's happening. And the world makes a lot more sense when you accept it.
Queshank
You see Trump as anti establishment?
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Post by petep on Nov 10, 2024 23:18:59 GMT
“It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”
As I pointed out in 2016 when I started seeing the left/right paradign shift into an establishment/antiestablishment world... I'm not making any judgments about whether or not it's a good thing.
Just pointing out it's what's happening. And the world makes a lot more sense when you accept it.
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Many of us felt the way the tea party did - on many things - going back to the late 90’s. Generally, a return to a smaller federal govt. a return to the principles of the constitution. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 10, 2024 23:38:29 GMT
“It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”
As I pointed out in 2016 when I started seeing the left/right paradign shift into an establishment/antiestablishment world... I'm not making any judgments about whether or not it's a good thing.
Just pointing out it's what's happening. And the world makes a lot more sense when you accept it.
Queshank
Many of us felt the way the tea party did - on many things - going back to the late 90’s. Generally, a return to a smaller federal govt. a return to the principles of the constitution. Actually trump belongs in the tee party... He's spent more time on the links than any other president before him... |
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Post by HolyMoly on Nov 11, 2024 0:44:42 GMT
This is the funniest post I've read today. Trumpy, the billionaire and a prince
of a guy. The world's richest man. A likely cabinet of millionaires. Senate and
House members. Numerous lobbyists and hangers on. Yep, they're not part
of the establishment, they're just plain ol' folks like you and me. One more
time, if you please.
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 0:49:46 GMT
“It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.”
As I pointed out in 2016 when I started seeing the left/right paradign shift into an establishment/antiestablishment world... I'm not making any judgments about whether or not it's a good thing.
Just pointing out it's what's happening. And the world makes a lot more sense when you accept it.
Queshank
You see Trump as anti establishment?
I see people like TL try to convince the boards that the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from hollywood to the major tv networks ... isn't the establishment.
And it's one of the biggest tells for programming operating today.
You can argue that Trump has become the establishment GOP. But you can't argue Trump is the establishment. Not and be taken credibly.
Hey did you know Kamala continued a trend of getting the most wealthy and billionaire donors most of them "dark money" that's been going on since citizens' united? She raised and spent over a billion dollars.
The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.
Now you do.
As if the crushing arguments with dozens of links I make regularly about the Dems being the party of the rich that just keep making leftist eyes gloss away like magnets trying to be forced into contact weren't enough.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 11, 2024 1:33:42 GMT
You see Trump as anti establishment?
I see people like TL try to convince the boards that the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from hollywood to the major tv networks ... isn't the establishment.
And it's one of the biggest tells for programming operating today.
You can argue that Trump has become the establishment GOP. But you can't argue Trump is the establishment. Not and be taken credibly.
Hey did you know Kamala continued a trend of getting the most wealthy and billionaire donors most of them "dark money" that's been going on since citizens' united? She raised and spent over a billion dollars.
The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.
Now you do.
As if the crushing arguments with dozens of links I make regularly about the Dems being the party of the rich that just keep making leftist eyes gloss away like magnets trying to be forced into contact weren't enough.
Queshank
In context it makes some of your other posts actually make a bit more sense. It wasn't clear you had the belief that were donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti-establishment.
I would have assumed it's more policy based and I think most other people would as well.
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Post by petep on Nov 11, 2024 14:11:54 GMT
I see people like TL try to convince the boards that the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from hollywood to the major tv networks ... isn't the establishment.
And it's one of the biggest tells for programming operating today.
You can argue that Trump has become the establishment GOP. But you can't argue Trump is the establishment. Not and be taken credibly.
Hey did you know Kamala continued a trend of getting the most wealthy and billionaire donors most of them "dark money" that's been going on since citizens' united? She raised and spent over a billion dollars.
The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.
Now you do.
As if the crushing arguments with dozens of links I make regularly about the Dems being the party of the rich that just keep making leftist eyes gloss away like magnets trying to be forced into contact weren't enough.
Queshank
In context it makes some of your other posts actually make a bit more sense. It wasn't clear you had the belief that were donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti-establishment.
I would have assumed it's more policy based and I think most other people would as well.
Ha ha ha. Yes. Policies to benefit the establishment. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 14:17:28 GMT
I see people like TL try to convince the boards that the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from hollywood to the major tv networks ... isn't the establishment.
And it's one of the biggest tells for programming operating today.
You can argue that Trump has become the establishment GOP. But you can't argue Trump is the establishment. Not and be taken credibly.
Hey did you know Kamala continued a trend of getting the most wealthy and billionaire donors most of them "dark money" that's been going on since citizens' united? She raised and spent over a billion dollars.
The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.
Now you do.
As if the crushing arguments with dozens of links I make regularly about the Dems being the party of the rich that just keep making leftist eyes gloss away like magnets trying to be forced into contact weren't enough.
Queshank
In context it makes some of your other posts actually make a bit more sense. It wasn't clear you had the belief that were donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti-establishment.
I would have assumed it's more policy based and I think most other people would as well.
Ok. Let's leave aside this strange bit you've focused on about "beliefs that where donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti establishment" ... ignore things like the myopic talking point level discussion of tariffs Goldman Sachs has advanced because their clients might take a hit because THE ESTABLISHMENT has been incentivizing overseas investment over domestic investment for decades ... (Who exactly are the clients of Goldman Sachs I wonder?)
And let me ask you why you found it necessary to skip "the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from Hollywood to the major tv networks" ... and focus on donations as if donations aren't the largest and most pervasive influence on policy in American politics suddenly?
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Post by thor on Nov 11, 2024 14:31:19 GMT
In context it makes some of your other posts actually make a bit more sense. It wasn't clear you had the belief that were donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti-establishment.
I would have assumed it's more policy based and I think most other people would as well.
Ok. Let's leave aside this strange bit you've focused on about "beliefs that where donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti establishment" ... ignore things like the myopic talking point level discussion of tariffs Goldman Sachs has advanced because their clients might take a hit because THE ESTABLISHMENT has been incentivizing overseas investment over domestic investment for decades ... (Who exactly are the clients of Goldman Sachs I wonder?)
And let me ask you why you found it necessary to skip "the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from Hollywood to the major tv networks" ... and focus on donations as if donations aren't the largest and most pervasive influence on policy in American politics suddenly?
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LOLZ!!! After voting to entrench the 'Establishment', Que-Anon tries to peddle the lie that he is against the 'Establishment'. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 14:34:53 GMT
Ok. Let's leave aside this strange bit you've focused on about "beliefs that where donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti establishment" ... ignore things like the myopic talking point level discussion of tariffs Goldman Sachs has advanced because their clients might take a hit because THE ESTABLISHMENT has been incentivizing overseas investment over domestic investment for decades ... (Who exactly are the clients of Goldman Sachs I wonder?)
And let me ask you why you found it necessary to skip "the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from Hollywood to the major tv networks" ... and focus on donations as if donations aren't the largest and most pervasive influence on policy in American politics suddenly?
Queshank
LOLZ!!! After voting to entrench the 'Establishment', Que-Anon tries to peddle the lie that he is against the 'Establishment'.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Don't ever change thor. Don't ever change.
You make other posters ... even Freon ... look so smart.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 11, 2024 17:11:31 GMT
Ok. Let's leave aside this strange bit you've focused on about "beliefs that where donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti establishment" ... ignore things like the myopic talking point level discussion of tariffs Goldman Sachs has advanced because their clients might take a hit because THE ESTABLISHMENT has been incentivizing overseas investment over domestic investment for decades ... (Who exactly are the clients of Goldman Sachs I wonder?)
And let me ask you why you found it necessary to skip "the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from Hollywood to the major tv networks" ... and focus on donations as if donations aren't the largest and most pervasive influence on policy in American politics suddenly?
Queshank
LOLZ!!! After voting to entrench the 'Establishment', Que-Anon tries to peddle the lie that he is against the 'Establishment'.
Yup. Hiring a person in the rich people club to police the rich people club. Really worked last time!!!! This time will be different!
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Post by atreyu on Nov 11, 2024 17:13:34 GMT
In context it makes some of your other posts actually make a bit more sense. It wasn't clear you had the belief that were donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti-establishment.
I would have assumed it's more policy based and I think most other people would as well.
Ok. Let's leave aside this strange bit you've focused on about "beliefs that where donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti establishment" ... ignore things like the myopic talking point level discussion of tariffs Goldman Sachs has advanced because their clients might take a hit because THE ESTABLISHMENT has been incentivizing overseas investment over domestic investment for decades ... (Who exactly are the clients of Goldman Sachs I wonder?)
And let me ask you why you found it necessary to skip "the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from Hollywood to the major tv networks" ... and focus on donations as if donations aren't the largest and most pervasive influence on policy in American politics suddenly?
Queshank
You focused on it. Not me.
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 17:25:43 GMT
Ok. Let's leave aside this strange bit you've focused on about "beliefs that where donations come from determines if you're establishment or anti establishment" ... ignore things like the myopic talking point level discussion of tariffs Goldman Sachs has advanced because their clients might take a hit because THE ESTABLISHMENT has been incentivizing overseas investment over domestic investment for decades ... (Who exactly are the clients of Goldman Sachs I wonder?)
And let me ask you why you found it necessary to skip "the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from Hollywood to the major tv networks" ... and focus on donations as if donations aren't the largest and most pervasive influence on policy in American politics suddenly?
Queshank
You focused on it. Not me.
This is the kind of myopic 1 dimensional thinking that lost you an election this week. I list all these examples of the establishment. You focus on one. And don't make any sense with it at all.
Please. Make your best argument for how money in politics doesn't affect policy. Make your best argument for why the citizens united decision that Democrats have been relying on since its inception, is actually just fine, cuz money doesn't matter it's all about policy.
I'll wait. In vain I know. But I'll wait for ya.
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 17:27:09 GMT
LOLZ!!! After voting to entrench the 'Establishment', Que-Anon tries to peddle the lie that he is against the 'Establishment'.
Yup. Hiring a person in the rich people club to police the rich people club. Really worked last time!!!! This time will be different!
Psst.
You know this sarcastic baby level argument works against you right?
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Post by atreyu on Nov 11, 2024 22:21:39 GMT
You focused on it. Not me.
This is the kind of myopic 1 dimensional thinking that lost you an election this week. I list all these examples of the establishment. You focus on one. And don't make any sense with it at all.
Please. Make your best argument for how money in politics doesn't affect policy. Make your best argument for why the citizens united decision that Democrats have been relying on since its inception, is actually just fine, cuz money doesn't matter it's all about policy.
I'll wait. In vain I know. But I'll wait for ya.
Queshank
People didn't vote for university positions. You focused on donations.
As usual you run away. Nothing but hot air as usual, no substance.
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 22:35:01 GMT
This is the kind of myopic 1 dimensional thinking that lost you an election this week. I list all these examples of the establishment. You focus on one. And don't make any sense with it at all.
Please. Make your best argument for how money in politics doesn't affect policy. Make your best argument for why the citizens united decision that Democrats have been relying on since its inception, is actually just fine, cuz money doesn't matter it's all about policy.
I'll wait. In vain I know. But I'll wait for ya.
Queshank
People didn't vote for university positions. You focused on donations.
As usual you run away. Nothing but hot air as usual, no substance.
What does voting for university positions have to do with it?
You think "establishments" are only establishments if they're voted on? I don't even know how to deal with the kind of ignorance you're displaying in this thread.
I'm sitting here. Waiting. While you continue to suggest the things I didn't even call the establishment are what I "focused" on and accuse me of running away after I "focused" on the things I didn't call the establishment while ... focusing on the establishment.
Come on bro. Where's your compelling soliloquy on how money in politics doesn't dictate policy?
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 22:36:31 GMT
I see people like TL try to convince the boards that the government bureaucracy, our national defense apparatus, our nation's universities, all of the major platforms from hollywood to the major tv networks ... isn't the establishment.
And it's one of the biggest tells for programming operating today.
You can argue that Trump has become the establishment GOP. But you can't argue Trump is the establishment. Not and be taken credibly. Anyone wanna help autreyu out? It's tough seeing the lil feller struggle.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 11, 2024 22:40:46 GMT
People didn't vote for university positions. You focused on donations.
As usual you run away. Nothing but hot air as usual, no substance.
What does voting for university positions have to do with it?
You think "establishments" are only establishments if they're voted on? I don't even know how to deal with the kind of ignorance you're displaying in this thread.
I'm sitting here. Waiting. While you continue to suggest the things I didn't even call the establishment are what I "focused" on and accuse me of running away after I "focused" on the things I didn't call the establishment while ... focusing on the establishment.
Come on bro. Where's your compelling soliloquy on how money in politics doesn't dictate policy?
Queshank
Don't be mad bro, everyone can see your vapid rambling, your inability to answer questions.
Keep up the good fight. I don't have time to dance with you.
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Post by queshank on Nov 11, 2024 22:49:44 GMT
What does voting for university positions have to do with it?
You think "establishments" are only establishments if they're voted on? I don't even know how to deal with the kind of ignorance you're displaying in this thread.
I'm sitting here. Waiting. While you continue to suggest the things I didn't even call the establishment are what I "focused" on and accuse me of running away after I "focused" on the things I didn't call the establishment while ... focusing on the establishment.
Come on bro. Where's your compelling soliloquy on how money in politics doesn't dictate policy?
Queshank
Don't be mad bro, everyone can see your vapid rambling, your inability to answer questions.
Keep up the good fight. I don't have time to dance with you.
Yeah! You've got more important things to do.
Like making a public ass of yourself in other threads then running away when challenged lol
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